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Post by guanxi on Aug 27, 2019 18:13:57 GMT
There's been a couple of rumoured leaks that DA4 will contain live service elements. It is built on the Anthem code base so I would not be surprised if it turns out to be a much more polished medieval fantasy anthem with a significantly better narrative in the BioWare tradition but with co-operative game play and game design closer to Anthem than Inquisition. That does sound like tall order and a hell of a risky gambit after anthem. If that is the case and it works I would imagine the next Mass Effect would get the same treatment. gamerant.com/dragon-age-4-anthem-rumors/wccftech.com/dragon-age-4-anthem-tech-live-service/Oh, man. The way you describe it, I would not want to play that game, bro. I remember Casey saying if Anthem is a success, expect more games to play like it. The 4 man co-op playstyle mode of Anthem is really not doing it for me. I will definitely never play another Bioware game, if it is to be played like that from here on. Nuh-uh.
I wouldn't mind a two player co-op game, like Wolfenstein: Youngblood, where you get to play with two unique characters, but grouping up with a bunch of randos online in a MMO-lite experience with a few characters to interact with back in the base undermines their importance and the bonding process. Back in BG1, Khalid had saved my party's ass more times than I could count, so when I booted up BG2 for the first time, only to find him dead, had a real impact on me, in many different ways. He was sorely missed.
We're unequivocally fans of story-driven role-playing games here and naturally we're adverse to seeing a series we love which once changed the way we think about games as an Artistic medium devolve into a gaudy live-service money pit but I can see the way the wind is blowing and recognize that EA hasn't funded a predominantly single-player focused game since MEA and the signs aren't good. Like you I enjoy co-operative games in fits and starts and have even enjoyed some of BioWare's forays into multiplayer, and if this is the only way BioWare and Mass Effect survives under this publisher then so be it I am open-minded enough to at least give them a chance even if I'm clearly not the target audience and it's not the game I would hope or want it to be.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 27, 2019 18:27:40 GMT
It's customary to provide a link, you know. It's with Andy's incoherent rant where he announced to force his microtransactions more forcibly on the 12 year olds. Yes then he backpedaled because he realized that was a stupid remark. If they hate SP so much they wouldn't have any game with a SP mode.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 28, 2019 6:53:05 GMT
It's with Andy's incoherent rant where he announced to force his microtransactions more forcibly on the 12 year olds. Yes then he backpedaled because he realized that was a stupid remark. If they hate SP so much they wouldn't have any game with a SP mode. Battlefield has singleplayer campaign, but it's like fast food. Just there to grab some additional customers. Andy can backpedal all he wants for PR but EA's obsession with MP monetisation stands. It'd need a couple more botched releases to find another CEO who is more affine to actually make games again instead of money pumps.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 28, 2019 14:57:50 GMT
Yes then he backpedaled because he realized that was a stupid remark. If they hate SP so much they wouldn't have any game with a SP mode. Battlefield has singleplayer campaign, but it's like fast food. Just there to grab some additional customers. Andy can backpedal all he wants for PR but EA's obsession with MP monetisation stands. It'd need a couple more botched releases to find another CEO who is more affine to actually make games again instead of money pumps. Well I like the Battlefield campaigns. The ones I've played anyway. It's the same with COD I play for the SP.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 28, 2019 15:52:04 GMT
Battlefield has singleplayer campaign, but it's like fast food. Just there to grab some additional customers. Andy can backpedal all he wants for PR but EA's obsession with MP monetisation stands. It'd need a couple more botched releases to find another CEO who is more affine to actually make games again instead of money pumps. Well I like the Battlefield campaigns. The ones I've played anyway. It's the same with COD I play for the SP. I'm sure EA will bring out more of this kind for you to enjoy.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 28, 2019 16:31:35 GMT
I'm sure EA will bring out more of this kind for you to enjoy. Unfortunately.
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Post by revelationeffect on Aug 28, 2019 22:45:14 GMT
I don't see why people are so convinced DA4 is going to be just like Anthem. I find that really unlikely. Live service is a really vague term that can mean a few things, and what it most likely means in this case is that the game will be singleplayer but will be something like AC Odyssey, with daily quests and events and the capacity for microtransactions, as well as new singleplayer quests releasing periodically. I highly doubt the main campaign will end up being co-op focused.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 28, 2019 23:03:00 GMT
Well I like the Battlefield campaigns. The ones I've played anyway. It's the same with COD I play for the SP. I'm sure EA will bring out more of this kind for you to enjoy. What's wrong with me liking the SP of those games? The story and gameplay are usually fun.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Aug 29, 2019 7:31:02 GMT
Ever since walking the market of Illium in ME2 I've said "A Mass Effect MMORPG? BRING IT!"
I would love a live service game but obviously it would have to not be the unfinished mess that Anthem is. Monetization and everything, I would like a Mass Effect Live Service game.
The main campaign in Anthem was on par with the one in Andromeda in storytelling imo. Perhaps better but still too ridden with cut ideas and first draft writing.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 29, 2019 7:48:30 GMT
If you're talking about Anthem but 'done right' and as Mass Effect?
No pre-order. No Collectors. Will check out post-launch and if I had hardware that could play it very smoothly, as opposed to it being a system/hardware seller on its own.
But yes, I'd see if I could play it then.
However, I must make clear -- Anthem is less than half of what it should have been.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 29, 2019 8:43:32 GMT
I'm sure EA will bring out more of this kind for you to enjoy. What's wrong with me liking the SP of those games? The story and gameplay are usually fun. Who said it was wrong? What a nasty thing to say.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 30, 2019 17:09:58 GMT
No thanks. I'd rather own a copy of a game rather than lease one.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 30, 2019 17:29:36 GMT
No thanks. I'd rather own a copy of a game rather than lease one. That is a good point that hadn't occurred to me. Yes, if I liked the game, I would like to experience it whenever I wish, however many years later. I still make annual runs of the BG "trilogy". However, if it were to be done like in AC:Odyssey, where it only checks for online verification on startup, which is more like a fancy type of DRM, I suppose it could be patched to not do that online verification, so as to be able play the game long after the servers are shut down. I mean, I assume that could be the case.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2019 17:29:41 GMT
No thanks. I'd rather own a copy of a game rather than lease one. How many years has it been since any of us have been truly able to own any sort of software. Even if it still comes on disc (which the vast majority of it doesn't), it's still dependent on downloaded patches to be usable as the O/S of whatever system it is running on gets upgraded and patched?... and support for it can be withdrawn at any time. I'm not in favor of "always online DRM checks"; but I believe it is almost an inevitability.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 30, 2019 17:41:26 GMT
I play Mass Effect strictly for the singleplayer experience. I dabbled a lot in ME3 MP, but multiplayer in that game is essentially just a tacked-on arena horde mode that you could futz about with to pass the time, and in MEA I never really did MP after like 1 or 2 matches, but simply reaped the SP rewards using the strike teams console, but if the servers simply dropped dead and I was left solely with the offline portion of the game I would probably not have felt any particular loss over it. A co-op-focused Mass Effect can fuck off.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 30, 2019 17:43:50 GMT
Given sufficient time and interest, any authentication DRM can be beaten, can't it?
The real issue will be when not all the game data lives locally. I suppose "live service" implies this.
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Post by Son of Dorn on Aug 30, 2019 17:51:41 GMT
So, should I start working on ME'S tombstone now or after this happens?
That is, if true.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 31, 2019 17:16:37 GMT
I'd play a ME mmo but want a sp only game too.
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Post by jclosed on Sept 1, 2019 23:08:43 GMT
No thanks. I'd rather own a copy of a game rather than lease one. How many years has it been since any of us have been truly able to own any sort of software. Even if it still comes on disc (which the vast majority of it doesn't), it's still dependent on downloaded patches to be usable as the O/S of whatever system it is running on gets upgraded and patched?... and support for it can be withdrawn at any time. I'm not in favor of "always online DRM checks"; but I believe it is almost an inevitability. Ehh.. Did you ever bought games on GOG? Those games have full DRM-free and Online-check-free installers that can be downloaded and kept forever on any media you want (you can keep making copy's forever to keep the game files safe). Most (if not all) games get regular updates that you can download to keep your game up-to-date. In that sense you really own the game. Maybe years later you cannot run the games on the latest hardware and software, but if you keep your old hardware (just like old game consoles) and OS, nothing can hold you back to keep playing those games even years later. There are even DOS emulators that let you run games that are decades old (example: I still can run my BBC micro and Archimedes computer games from 1984 and older under BBC-B and RiscOS emulators in Windows 10).
So maybe you cannot own those older games forever, but more than 30 years is long enough for me. Try that with the "On-line-DRM", "Game as Service" or Client-depended modern games, that are not sold from a platform like GOG. Well... Good luck with that...
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 2, 2019 2:23:58 GMT
How many years has it been since any of us have been truly able to own any sort of software. Even if it still comes on disc (which the vast majority of it doesn't), it's still dependent on downloaded patches to be usable as the O/S of whatever system it is running on gets upgraded and patched?... and support for it can be withdrawn at any time. I'm not in favor of "always online DRM checks"; but I believe it is almost an inevitability. Ehh.. Did you ever bought games on GOG? Those games have full DRM-free and Online-check-free installers that can be downloaded and kept forever on any media you want (you can keep making copy's forever to keep the game files safe). Most (if not all) games get regular updates that you can download to keep your game up-to-date. In that sense you really own the game. Maybe years later you cannot run the games on the latest hardware and software, but if you keep your old hardware (just like old game consoles) and OS, nothing can hold you back to keep playing those games even years later. There are even DOS emulators that let you run games that are decades old (example: I still can run my BBC micro and Archimedes computer games from 1984 and older under BBC-B and RiscOS emulators in Windows 10).
So maybe you cannot own those older games forever, but more than 30 years is long enough for me. Try that with the "On-line-DRM", "Game as Service" or Client-depended modern games, that are not sold from a platform like GOG. Well... Good luck with that...
I have dos box but can't figure it out. I have a game I want to play with it but I can't figure out how to get it to find the cd.
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Post by Pounce de León on Sept 2, 2019 7:40:19 GMT
Ehh.. Did you ever bought games on GOG? Those games have full DRM-free and Online-check-free installers that can be downloaded and kept forever on any media you want (you can keep making copy's forever to keep the game files safe). Most (if not all) games get regular updates that you can download to keep your game up-to-date. In that sense you really own the game. Maybe years later you cannot run the games on the latest hardware and software, but if you keep your old hardware (just like old game consoles) and OS, nothing can hold you back to keep playing those games even years later. There are even DOS emulators that let you run games that are decades old (example: I still can run my BBC micro and Archimedes computer games from 1984 and older under BBC-B and RiscOS emulators in Windows 10).
So maybe you cannot own those older games forever, but more than 30 years is long enough for me. Try that with the "On-line-DRM", "Game as Service" or Client-depended modern games, that are not sold from a platform like GOG. Well... Good luck with that...
I have dos box but can't figure it out. I have a game I want to play with it but I can't figure out how to get it to find the cd. There might be a couple configs online you can search for. In any case the way you do it to mimic CDs is the same. Iirc you make a folder a drive and tell DOSbox to load from there.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Sept 2, 2019 16:40:52 GMT
I play Mass Effect strictly for the singleplayer experience. I dabbled a lot in ME3 MP, but multiplayer in that game is essentially just a tacked-on arena horde mode that you could futz about with to pass the time, and in MEA I never really did MP after like 1 or 2 matches, but simply reaped the SP rewards using the strike teams console, but if the servers simply dropped dead and I was left solely with the offline portion of the game I would probably not have felt any particular loss over it. A co-op-focused Mass Effect can fuck off.
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Post by thedarkprince on Sept 4, 2019 18:03:54 GMT
Can I just get a single player game without all the bullshit? That's all I want. And EA claiming these games are profitable doesn't fly since exclusive title like Zelda BOTW, God of War and Spiderman all sold over 10 million copies. So there is a market for these games.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Sept 4, 2019 20:26:58 GMT
I play Mass Effect strictly for the singleplayer experience. I dabbled a lot in ME3 MP, but multiplayer in that game is essentially just a tacked-on arena horde mode that you could futz about with to pass the time, and in MEA I never really did MP after like 1 or 2 matches, but simply reaped the SP rewards using the strike teams console, but if the servers simply dropped dead and I was left solely with the offline portion of the game I would probably not have felt any particular loss over it. A co-op-focused Mass Effect can fuck off.
The same here.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 5, 2019 12:20:32 GMT
Didn't me and uh ... Phantom, I think? Didn't we come up with a great idea for a mobile gacha game with consistent updates, story elements etc. in an amalgam ME universe? I'd play that. I wouldn't pay for it, but I'd play that.
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