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Post by opuspace on Sept 2, 2016 19:22:01 GMT
Has Sera said anything to imply that? I've gotten the impression she's more emphatic on simply being seen as herself. Like, there's no mention of hiding her ears, pretending to be human as a kid. She doesn't act like she's ashamed of being an elf, just really ticked off that she's not accepted for being the right kind of elf to some people's eyes. Dude come on she is ashamed of being an elven woman and she would change her ears to fit in with people who hate her just because she's an elf. Would you point out where she said anything to suggest that? Otherwise, it's just a matter of how we see things. For example, I'd see your point if she was sucking up to other humans, trying especially hard to please them compared to how she treats other races. She has a bias against other elves, but that doesn't mean she wants to be human.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 2, 2016 19:25:08 GMT
Dude come on she is ashamed of being an elven woman and she would change her ears to fit in with people who hate her just because she's an elf. Would you point out where she said anything to suggest that? Otherwise, it's just a matter of how we see things. For example, I'd see your point if she was sucking up to other humans, trying especially hard to please them compared to how she treats other races. She has a bias against other elves, but that doesn't mean she wants to be human. And yet you don't see the resemblance? She doesn't even have to say it that she wants to be human, it's recognizable symptom of internalized racism.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 2, 2016 19:38:31 GMT
And yet you don't see the resemblance? She doesn't even have to say it that she wants to be human, it's recognizable symptom of internalized racism. Does internalized racism always mean that anyone who has it would change themselves physically? Even if they were being treated as no different from others, had a stable support group of friends and family? I'd rather not presume something about someone as an absolute if they have not said anything that proves it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 2, 2016 19:40:16 GMT
Dude come on she is ashamed of being an elven woman and she would change her ears to fit in with people who hate her just because she's an elf. Sera is not ashamed of being elven. She just doesn't see why being elven should matter, and instead sees it as people should just be people.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 2, 2016 19:47:22 GMT
I am British. I am not ashamed to be British. I can't stand British "patriots" who set Britain up as somehow as superior because we once had Empire that spanned the world.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 2, 2016 19:49:25 GMT
Dude come on she is ashamed of being an elven woman and she would change her ears to fit in with people who hate her just because she's an elf. Sera is not ashamed of being elven. She just doesn't see why being elven should matter, and instead sees it as people should just be people. I am British. I am not ashamed to be British. I can't stand British "patriots" who set Britain up as somehow as superior because we once had Empire that spanned the world. Thank you both for summing that up better.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2016 20:54:38 GMT
I just popped in and have to say. Sera is one of my favorites from DAI. I can't bring myself to romance her because she seems so young, but I love having her in my party. Now, the conversation about her hating herself because she's an elven, I never saw her hating herself, I saw her hating the system that called for elvens to hate themselves. Let's face it, there's an aire of discrimination in Thedas and it targets the elves, the poor and the mages. Ok, Sera may have issues with mages(I'd say it was because of what happened in the orphanage), but she rebels against the negative attitudes directed at the poor and the elves. The fact that what she is alienates her and puts her in a lower class isn't the issue, the issue is she challenges the percieved superiority of the nobles. As far as she's concerned they are no better than she is and she hates the idea of having to take rediculous measures to be accepted. That isn't self hate, it's her pulling herself out of the illusion of society and really pondering what qualities a person must possess to truly be superior...or if superiority is a lie. Anyway, that's how I see her and I think she's awesome. 
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 2, 2016 21:32:01 GMT
And yet you don't see the resemblance? She doesn't even have to say it that she wants to be human, it's recognizable symptom of internalized racism. Does internalized racism always mean that anyone who has it would change themselves physically? Even if they were being treated as no different from others, had a stable support group of friends and family? Yes. I've seen how self hate can inflict psychological damage of people of color first hand.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 2, 2016 21:36:36 GMT
Does internalized racism always mean that anyone who has it would change themselves physically? Even if they were being treated as no different from others, had a stable support group of friends and family? Yes. I've seen how self hate can inflict psychological damage of people of color first hand. She doesn't hate herself. She hates being told what she should be.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 2, 2016 23:40:32 GMT
She doesn't hate herself. She hates being told what she should be. If you think of it that way that's cool even I disagree of the whole thing about her not letting anyone telling her what to do. Nobody is telling her anything what to do she just saying all those things to alleviate her sickness of her self hatred of being an elf, because she was raised in the alienage. She has no one to teach her about her history and her elven culture when she was young, and the whole Baker story that triggers her self hatred and it's sad.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 3, 2016 0:03:30 GMT
She wasn't raised in the Alienage. She barely remembers it. She was raised by Lady Emmald and then on the streets.
She grew up apart from other Elves so she has no feeling for their culture, and it's clear from various comments she makes in that she has been teased for being different, and has rebelled against it. She hates being told that she's "the wrong sort of elf."
I think to fall into the "self-hatred" category you need to have been raised in a culture and made a conscious effort to reject it. That's not Sera. She was part-raised by a human, made her own way, and was then told that she was wrong.
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Post by Rel Fexive on Sept 3, 2016 0:05:31 GMT
I for one advocate the blocking of rampant racists.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 3, 2016 0:55:41 GMT
Does internalized racism always mean that anyone who has it would change themselves physically? Even if they were being treated as no different from others, had a stable support group of friends and family? Yes. I've seen how self hate can inflict psychological damage of people of color first hand. Always? As in, every person who has been discriminated against that you don't know, who would have a different experience, education, peers, town, philosophy and lifestyle would always go to a doctor to change themselves cosmetically to fit in better? And yes, self hatred is not a healthy state, but I wasn't trying to argue that. I'd like it if you'd pick out in game evidence that supports Sera wanting to be human compared to say, a qunari or a dwarf. Because otherwise, subtext is just a feeling for each person and feelings are too tricky to take as evidence.
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 3, 2016 3:21:08 GMT
Yes. I've seen how self hate can inflict psychological damage of people of color first hand. Always? As in, every person who has been discriminated against that you don't know, who would have a different experience, education, peers, town, philosophy and lifestyle would always go to a doctor to change themselves cosmetically to fit in better? And yes, self hatred is not a healthy state, but I wasn't trying to argue that. I'd like it if you'd pick out in game evidence that supports Sera wanting to be human compared to say, a qunari or a dwarf. Because otherwise, subtext is just a feeling for each person and feelings are too tricky to take as evidence. I said if there is a surgeon in the game that could change their ears to be more human, Sera would've taken that without any hesitation. And Cole mentioned about Sera's ears about she tried to tuck them or something.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 3, 2016 3:26:38 GMT
I said if there is a surgeon in the game that could change their ears to be more human, Sera would've taken that without any hesitation. And Cole mentioned about Sera's ears about she tried to tuck them or something. Ah, did not know that. Are you able to find the exact quote?
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Post by cloud9 on Sept 3, 2016 6:11:46 GMT
She wasn't raised in the Alienage. She barely remembers it. She was raised by Lady Emmald and then on the streets. She grew up apart from other Elves so she has no feeling for their culture, and it's clear from various comments she makes in that she has been teased for being different, and has rebelled against it. She hates being told that she's "the wrong sort of elf." I think to fall into the "self-hatred" category you need to have been raised in a culture and made a conscious effort to reject it. That's not Sera. She was part-raised by a human, made her own way, and was then told that she was wrong. There is a post that I found on Reddit that explains Sera's upbringing and how internalized racism gave birth to psychological sickness.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 3, 2016 7:32:27 GMT
She wasn't raised in the Alienage. She barely remembers it. She was raised by Lady Emmald and then on the streets. She grew up apart from other Elves so she has no feeling for their culture, and it's clear from various comments she makes in that she has been teased for being different, and has rebelled against it. She hates being told that she's "the wrong sort of elf." I think to fall into the "self-hatred" category you need to have been raised in a culture and made a conscious effort to reject it. That's not Sera. She was part-raised by a human, made her own way, and was then told that she was wrong. There is a post that I found on Reddit that explains Sera's upbringing and how internalized racism gave birth to psychological sickness. Not the point. You can argue that the result looks like racist views in terms of her antipathy to Dalish culture, and she's clearly become obstinate and unreasonable about it, but at cause it's a reaction against them being mean to her. She's responding to those who said she wasn't a real elf with hatred. She certainly doesn't hate elves as people, even if she despises the culture. See her reaction to the slaughtered servants at Halamshiral as evidence for that. I'm pretty sure she'd have been happier with Elven culture if those elves who rejected her had been more accepting. By Trespasser she's calmed down about that side of things, anyway, as those events slip into her past and she feels that she has friends in the Inquisition.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 11:08:51 GMT
Holy dang N7. Why must you ruin perfectly valid threads with your nonsense?
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Post by Crim on Sept 3, 2016 13:44:53 GMT
Holy dang N7. Why must you ruin perfectly valid threads with your nonsense? These last few pages...  isn't he the guy who called Obama a house negro on BSN Prime? Got perma banned eventually for spouting off racist garbage, yeah, the ignore feature people is a wonderful thing. I look forward to his rebuttal, hope he brings some more lolReddit quotes. Tuck in those ears Sera, tuck em in!!!
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Post by Crim on Sept 3, 2016 13:51:27 GMT
Change of pace, what do you prefer, Sera with a bow or dual daggers?
I've only tried a dual dagger build with her once, prefer archer.
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Post by Crim on Sept 3, 2016 14:24:35 GMT
Oh and also, I've updated the OP. I think it's semi-decent, I'm no Natashina but I'll try to be organised somewhat.  If you got anything else you want me to do holler pls. 
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Post by opuspace on Sept 3, 2016 16:36:50 GMT
Change of pace, what do you prefer, Sera with a bow or dual daggers? I've only tried a dual dagger build with her once, prefer archer. The story supports her archery but her class works really well with daggers (helloooo flask of frost!) Either way, she's a damage dealing wrecking ball.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 3, 2016 19:34:36 GMT
Yeah. In particular, "Thousand Cuts" definitely fits with a dual wielder better, but I just can't spec Sera as anything other than an archer. It doesn't seem right...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2016 20:10:07 GMT
I love her as an archer, she works real well against dragons, so I control her and let the rest of my team fight close range. She's also my go to when I have to get that freakin' shard up on the rock formation in the Hinterland dragon area. I find I can control her better when it comes to tricky footwork.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 3, 2016 20:16:23 GMT
Also, all Sera's bows are called "I Aim to Misbehave" because once I thought of that name, there couldn't be any other...  ...Except for her dragonslaying bows... 
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