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Post by opuspace on Sept 21, 2016 12:01:17 GMT
Huh, didn't know it applied to friendship. All I know is that her ultimatum is racial based. Qunari, humans and dwarves can agree to disagree with her while it's all or nothing for elves but that's only with the romances as far as I know.
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Post by Crim on Sept 21, 2016 12:19:29 GMT
Huh, didn't know it applied to friendship. All I know is that her ultimatum is racial based. Qunari, humans and dwarves can agree to disagree with her while it's all or nothing for elves but that's only with the romances as far as I know. Wasn't even aware this was an issue for a platonic playthrough either. I played an elfy elf in my first run and romanced Sera, yeah, never again, too frustrating. I just RP an elf who isn't devout now. edit: she does mellow alot in Trespasser so it isn't as bad as it once was.
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2016 13:16:51 GMT
Huh, didn't know it applied to friendship. All I know is that her ultimatum is racial based. Qunari, humans and dwarves can agree to disagree with her while it's all or nothing for elves but that's only with the romances as far as I know. Both were humans, and both were already in a relationship with either Blackwall or Cullen. so even if I'd flirted with her at the start, the romance flag for Sera was good and off.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 21, 2016 13:18:51 GMT
I'll have to take a look into that. That's fascinating
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2016 13:19:44 GMT
Huh, didn't know it applied to friendship. All I know is that her ultimatum is racial based. Qunari, humans and dwarves can agree to disagree with her while it's all or nothing for elves but that's only with the romances as far as I know. Wasn't even aware this was an issue for a platonic playthrough either. I played an elfy elf in my first run and romanced Sera, yeah, never again, too frustrating. I just RP an elf who isn't devout now. edit: she does mellow alot in Trespasser so it isn't as bad as it once was. My Qunari isn't a convert but due to her backstory, she thinks it's cool. And she's not going to just say, "yeah, elves are stupid for following demons, I agree." So, I thought that meant breakup but as I said, I'm unsure since my second experience was different from the first. Or if it was based entirely on friendship points. Like if they were max, the outcome is different.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 13:54:00 GMT
I think she's cool with you believing in the elven pantheon, unless your quizzy is an elf. She thinks your an idiot for doing it, but she's dated plenty of worse idiots or something like that. At least she did so when my Qunari rogue pretended to have converted. So she should probably end up agreeing to disagree.
Maybe the difference was your quizzys attitude/character? Sometimes I hear the same line with different characters and interpret them wildly differently. Like the first talk with Leliana when she's praying. Sometimes I read it as a personal attack, other times I just see someone at a loss looking for answers. Same words, same tones.
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Post by phoray on Sept 21, 2016 14:20:25 GMT
I think she's cool with you believing in the elven pantheon, unless your quizzy is an elf. She thinks your an idiot for doing it, but she's dated plenty of worse idiots or something like that. At least she did so when my Qunari rogue pretended to have converted. So she should probably end up agreeing to disagree. Maybe the difference was your quizzys attitude/character? Sometimes I hear the same line with different characters and interpret them wildly differently. Like the first talk with Leliana when she's praying. Sometimes I read it as a personal attack, other times I just see someone at a loss looking for answers. Same words, same tones. It was quite hurtful to be blackmailed, so I distinctly remember it. My human mage literally said the line, "So, if I don't agree with you, you won't be my friend anymore?" And Sera said Yep and I sat there for a bit thinking about whether I'd cave. But my first play throughs, I akways want to be miss Popularity and goodie, so I caved. But I was a bit disgusted with myself. With a different person, and mentally prepared for the blackmail, I was then braced for...something that never came. Because all of sudden, Sera was okay eith an agree to disagree option. I was like...wow.That's cool, really it is,, but what changed? At this point, I'm guessing either friendhsip points or mage vs rogue OR the exact perfect dialogue choices.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 21, 2016 18:18:12 GMT
saucesigh, if only. When I saw that option pop up for my elf first time playing. Ironically the Inquisitor would have gotten it wrong, considering what we learn in Trespasser.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 21, 2016 22:34:49 GMT
Maybe Sera's ultimatum for friendship is approval based for your Inquisitors, Phoray?
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 22, 2016 0:07:00 GMT
A Lavellan's knowledge of Dalish lore is handled so much better in Jaws of Hakkon. If only they'd developed for multiple races from the start...
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Post by Crim on Sept 22, 2016 0:49:21 GMT
A Lavellan's knowledge of Dalish lore is handled so much better in Jaws of Hakkon. If only they'd developed for multiple races from the start... Lulz, you can taste the salt with Solas in this scene. Also, Sera knows more elfy things than she'd like to admit.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 22, 2016 8:02:32 GMT
A Lavellan's knowledge of Dalish lore is handled so much better in Jaws of Hakkon. If only they'd developed for multiple races from the start... Lulz, you can taste the salt with Solas in this scene. Also, Sera knows more elfy things than she'd like to admit. Yeah, even though the first time I played through JoH was with an elf, I asked Sera just to see what she'd say before reloading. 100% worth it. It does show that she's more interested than she lets on, and to me reinforces the idea that her main problems with Dalish culture stem from when she was rejected by them in the past, as opposed to the excuses she gives about clashing with Andrastianism...
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Post by Sifr on Sept 23, 2016 10:57:53 GMT
It does show that she's more interested than she lets on, and to me reinforces the idea that her main problems with Dalish culture stem from when she was rejected by them in the past, as opposed to the excuses she gives about clashing with Andrastianism... The idea that Sera has been rejected by the Dalish at some point would really explain a lot of her grudge against them. She was already self-conscious about being an elf because of Emmauld's lie about the baker. So growing up believing that people in human society will reject her because she's an elf, only to learn that elves will reject her too for being "too shemlen" in their view, would definitely be enough to give her a serious complex. I wonder if we should ask Lukas Kristjanson about this?
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 23, 2016 11:22:43 GMT
It does show that she's more interested than she lets on, and to me reinforces the idea that her main problems with Dalish culture stem from when she was rejected by them in the past, as opposed to the excuses she gives about clashing with Andrastianism... The idea that Sera has been rejected by the Dalish at some point would really explain a lot of her grudge against them. She was already self-conscious about being an elf because of Emmauld's lie about the baker. So growing up believing that people in human society will reject her because she's an elf, only to learn that elves will reject her too for being "too shemlen" in their view, would definitely be enough to give her a serious complex. I wonder if we should ask Lukas Kristjanson about this? No need to ask, it's right there in the game. I'm not in a position to search for quotes and clips right now, but in the main game she lets it slip in the infamous post-Temple-of-Mythal ultimatum to an Elven lover. In JoH she will comment about "the wrong kind of elf" if you take her along on the quest to help the injured guy honour his dead father, and in Trespasser she will specifically reference her conclusion that it's no use dwelling on what they'd said to her. Basically the main thrust of Sera's story for me is about acceptance. She felt unwelcome everywhere for her whole life which is why she developed such a combative character. If you are accepting of her for who she is and become her friend or lover, then she can finally begin to move on by Trespasser. I think that's why she is so keen to get married, and doodles "Sera *Inquisitor's Surname*" all over a page in her diary if it happens. Being part of the Inquisitor's family is really meaningful to her.
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Post by Nimlowyn on Sept 24, 2016 16:50:38 GMT
So I'm wandering around the Hinterlands and Sera says, "The Veil is girlish here." I have...no idea what she means by that. Edit: Unless she's making fun of Solas (who wasn't in my party at the time)...
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 24, 2016 20:49:22 GMT
So I'm wandering around the Hinterlands and Sera says, "The Veil is girlish here." I have...no idea what she means by that. Edit: Unless she's making fun of Solas (who wasn't in my party at the time)... She has a whole series of "the veil is x here" quotes (fat, wobbly and bored of trees spring to mind.) I think she's making fun of elven mysticism in general, not Solas in particular.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 25, 2016 2:06:24 GMT
Post Trespasser headcanon: Sera meticulously paints Solas' head on half a dozen eggs, places them on a fence and uses them for target practice. Later on takes whatever spilled onto the tray below to make breakfast for Inky.
Sera: What? You don't like eggs?!
Inquisitor: No, no, it's not that...just not used to omelettes being this...crunchy.
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Post by Crim on Sept 25, 2016 2:14:32 GMT
So I'm wandering around the Hinterlands and Sera says, "The Veil is girlish here." I have...no idea what she means by that. Edit: Unless she's making fun of Solas (who wasn't in my party at the time)... That was my favourite the veil is X here, ah Cassie. So, this happened again, still makes me laugh... I'm currently at the Temple of Mythal but I didn't bring Sera this time. Just curious to see if some of her dialogue when I get back to Skyhold is slightly different by leaving her on the sidelines.
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Post by Crim on Sept 25, 2016 14:19:11 GMT
So if you don't bring her along she still points an arrow in your face, demon test. Huh, thought it might be a lil bit different if romanced, told her not to do that ever again then calmly challenged her on dem views about the Temple. Yup, the emotional baggage over being rejected by the Dalish is still very real. I wasn't RPing a devout elf so I can't really stay mad at her, plus I did feel bad for her when she was trying to explain her logic. She just really didn't want to be rejected (again) for not being elfy enough especially by her lover of all people. Told her what she wanted to hear, this elf is disillusioned with the Dalish way of life anyway, she's questioning alot of things so Sera's interpretation of events didn't trigger her like it did my first elfy elf.
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Post by Crim on Sept 25, 2016 19:39:32 GMT
Just finished up the main game, finally. My Lavellan got the right Divine for the job, thank the Maker! I've messed up in the past so many times with this race. My Inky was in good spirits, so was Sera. Going in to Trespasser I'm still on the fence over whether to disband or keep the Inquisition, not sure what to do.
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Post by opuspace on Sept 25, 2016 20:40:37 GMT
Disband! What d'ya need the Inquisition for when ya've got your wifey and the Red Jennys to plonk down on those getting too uppity? Disband means more time together for fun and less dealing with the backstabbers!
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Post by Crim on Sept 25, 2016 20:51:32 GMT
Disband! What d'ya need the Inquisition for when ya've got your wifey and the Red Jennys to plonk down on those getting too uppity? Disband means more time together for fun and less dealing with the backstabbers! I should probably disband it, this elf never asked for this or to be a herald of Andraste, a small part of me wants to keep it just to spite Teagan (that turd!) but disbanding angrily might be just as good. Kept it angrily on my first run, kept it again when I romanced Cassie as a mage (she was Divine in that run, wanted to keep an army at her disposal) don't think I've disbanded it yet.
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Post by yourfunnyuncle on Sept 25, 2016 21:19:57 GMT
Disband! What d'ya need the Inquisition for when ya've got your wifey and the Red Jennys to plonk down on those getting too uppity? Disband means more time together for fun and less dealing with the backstabbers! I should probably disband it, this elf never asked for this or to be a herald of Andraste, a small part of me wants to keep it just to spite Teagan (that turd!) but disbanding angrily might be just as good. Kept it angrily on my first run, kept it again when I romanced Cassie as a mage (she was Divine in that run, wanted to keep an army at her disposal) don't think I've disbanded it yet. Angry disband is fuuuun!
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Post by Crim on Sept 25, 2016 21:50:13 GMT
Just getting ready for Trespasser, exhausting some dialogue from everyone I can at Skyhold, noticed something new... I don't recall getting that line drawing before, I wonder, are they just random? Got something different before, something about the drawing being brilliant but improbable or sumthing sumthing. It's been awhile okay.
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