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Post by grallon on Sept 21, 2024 11:38:48 GMT
So, in the interest of "balance in all things", would someone volunteer to head over to the hype train thread to educate them on what they get to be hyped about and what not or does this only work in one direction again? Bloody hell. You're starting to grasp how things work: don't question the privileges of some people - don't touch the 'sacred cows' - don't threaten the narrative - and you'll be allowed to vent in this 'safe space'...
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Post by Frost on Sept 21, 2024 12:10:11 GMT
I am still excited about the game. But something about art style is a bit off to me since the reveal and I could not explain it, until someone on Reddit pointed out about the head-to-body proportions, like the ones here: I guess it's just how the art style in the game works. But I wish I could unsee this. Would be a great change. Wish they hadn’t gone with the exaggerated, cartoony art style for characters.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 21, 2024 14:30:27 GMT
I am still excited about the game. But something about art style is a bit off to me since the reveal and I could not explain it, until someone on Reddit pointed out about the head-to-body proportions, like the ones here: I guess it's just how the art style in the game works. But I wish I could unsee this. [/div][/quote] I wonder what the reasoning behind giving everyone the head-body-ratio of a 12-year old was. The old golden ration is a body that's 7.5 heads tall, up to 9 for more heroic types.
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Post by spacev3gan on Sept 21, 2024 17:23:45 GMT
So, um, to my fellow skeptics out there: I have been in your position - very much so - during Bioware's previous endeavor, the wretched Anthem. I anticipated that game would tank and kill half of Bioware in the process and - to no one's surprise - so it did.
But when it comes to DA: Veilguard, I am nowhere near as pessimistic. Quite the opposite, for the most part. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect it to be great either, I don't expect it to be a huge success, but I expect it to be... alright? Like a 7.5/10 game, perhaps? Inquisition-level, maybe?
The combat looks pretty good (a mix of Hogwarts's Legacy and God of War, I reckon), and the story serviceable enough (story second to combat, no doubt), and the rest is goofy but not terribly so from what I have seen (apart from the Qunari).
So, what am I missing? What could be that bad about this game?
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Post by necrowaif on Sept 21, 2024 17:48:15 GMT
So, what am I missing? What could be that bad about this game? -I feel that we were robbed of a game where we would take on the Dread Wolf as the villain; now we have to contend with the remaining Evanuris while depending on Solas’ hand-me-downs. What was the point of all that build-up with the lyrium idol? I’m also disappointed that they’ve linked the Old Gods and darkspawn to the Evanuris and reduced the threat posed by the former. -The dialogue feels wooden (which even some previewers noted) and the voice acting for some characters is stiff (cough cough Neve Gallus). -None of the enemies resemble their previous incarnations and have not been improved upon. The darkspawn in particular look comical. -The reworked combat system has robbed Dragon Age of any identity it had. Every Rook is now just a different flavour of mage and you can no longer properly control companions. -The removal of the three dark specializations (assassins, reaver and blood mage), as well as the general vibe of Rook’s dialogue in the previews, suggest BioWare only wants you to play as a purely heroic character. Even DAI allowed the Inquisitor some opportunities to be an asshole. -The Qunari now look too human-like, which is spurring all the complaints about Qunari foreheads. I also noticed from the Skill Up preview suggests that the Antaam have been re-designed and given rather goofy bucket helmets instead of their formidable look in DA2. -None of the companions appeal to me personally as romance options. In fact, I would happily not recruit many of them, but that is reportedly not an option.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 21, 2024 19:06:55 GMT
So, what am I missing? What could be that bad about this game? You probably heard all of that before but for me, it's largely the unappealing visual style (too much purple, bobblehead characters, very stylized look while the other games were aiming for realism, silly glowstick demons, derpy darkspawn). The dumbed down combat (where is my assassin specialisation?) and introduction of immersion breaking real life politics is not something I like either. From what I've seen so far, the levels seem to be classic corridors and Dragon's Dogma 2 just reminded me how much I love just wandering off and exploring. I am still holding out some hope that the story and characters will weigh up against that though. On the positive side: Trevor Morris' soundtrack still rocks. -None of the companions appeal to me personally as romance options. In fact, I would happily not recruit many of them, but that is reportedly not an option. Yeah, same. I frankly don't understand why all of Twitter seems to have the hots for Emmrich.
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Post by grallon on Sept 21, 2024 19:16:05 GMT
-None of the companions appeal to me personally as romance options. In fact, I would happily not recruit many of them, but that is reportedly not an option. Yeah, same. I frankly don't understand why all of Twitter seems to have the hots for Emmrich. Have you seen the fetishization of that tentacled aberration, the Emperor, by many of BG3's fans? Let's just say some people have questionable tastes...
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 21, 2024 19:36:38 GMT
Yeah, same. I frankly don't understand why all of Twitter seems to have the hots for Emmrich. Have you seen the fetishization of that tentacled aberration, the Emperor, by many of BG3's fans? Let's just say some people have questionable tastes...
Actually....yes. Totally forgot about that. I stopped frequenting BG3 fan spaces when the Astarion stans grew too rabid
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 21, 2024 19:42:29 GMT
I don’t really care about judging others’ preferences, but even if I’m not attracted to men, I can see the appeal of an older, gentleman-like man compared to an aberration.
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Post by necrowaif on Sept 21, 2024 19:46:10 GMT
Emmerich seems like one of the more likeable companions. The ones that are in my crosshairs are Lucanis, Bellara and Neve Gallus. (And maybe Taash, I know next to nothing about them aside from being a dragon hunter.)
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 21, 2024 19:48:22 GMT
Emmerich seems like one of the more likeable companions. The ones that are in my crosshairs are Lucanis, Ballara and Neve Gallus. (And maybe Taash, I know next to nothing about them.) Is that in regards of their personalities?
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Post by necrowaif on Sept 21, 2024 19:51:43 GMT
Neve Gallus’ voice acting, as I alluded to earlier, is flat and monotone. Her dumb hat also bugs me.
Bellara strikes me as Merrill but done poorly, and I hate her stupid beehive hairdo. EDIT: And now I’ve heard her voice, and it’s the worst thing ever.
I’ve wanted to put Gary Stu Lucanis in the ground since Tevinter Nights. His very existence offends me to the point where I'm half-tempted to play Veilguard just to kill him or ruin his life.
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Post by bierkrug on Sept 21, 2024 19:57:26 GMT
I don’t really care about judging others’ preferences, but even if I’m not attracted to men, I can see the appeal of an older, gentleman-like man compared to an aberration. I'm not judging, I just don't get it. I don't get the appeal of guys like Solas either.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 21, 2024 20:06:34 GMT
Neve Gallus’ voice acting, as I alluded to earlier, is flat and grating. Bellara strikes me as Merrill but done poorly, and I hate her stupid beehive hairdo. I’ve wanted to put Gary Stu Lucanis in the ground since Tevinter Nights. Got it. I'd say, from what someone said about Bellara, that she might not be really like Merrill. I get the Merrill vibe, but I could also see traits shared with ME Liara or Tali.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 21, 2024 20:10:57 GMT
I don’t really care about judging others’ preferences, but even if I’m not attracted to men, I can see the appeal of an older, gentleman-like man compared to an aberration. I'm not judging, I just don't get it. I don't get the appeal of guys like Solas either.
Eh, after all the revelations at the end of Inquisition and Trespasser, I can see the appeal of doing a playthrough to develop a tragic romance, at least. It's not really the same, but it shares some resemblance, appeal-wise, to making a tragedy-focused run in the ME trilogy, starting from Colonist/Sole Survivor for the background to losing loved ones and friends across the other games.
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Post by ClarkKent on Sept 21, 2024 20:14:50 GMT
So, um, to my fellow skeptics out there: I have been in your position - very much so - during Bioware's previous endeavor, the wretched Anthem. I anticipated that game would tank and kill half of Bioware in the process and - to no one's surprise - so it did. But when it comes to DA: Veilguard, I am nowhere near as pessimistic. Quite the opposite, for the most part. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect it to be great either, I don't expect it to be a huge success, but I expect it to be... alright? Like a 7.5/10 game, perhaps? Inquisition-level, maybe? The combat looks pretty good (a mix of Hogwarts's Legacy and God of War, I reckon), and the story serviceable enough (story second to combat, no doubt), and the rest is goofy but not terribly so from what I have seen (apart from the Qunari). So, what am I missing? What could be that bad about this game? This is about where I'm at. At worst I expect it to a decent Dragon Age romp, which, after 10 years in the desert, will be novel enough to experience. I expect it will bring some good ideas while also bringing clear flaws and annoyances - which is almost a series staple at this point.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 21, 2024 20:18:34 GMT
I actually have been pleasantly surprised by most of the dialogue so far. Although I am more worried about Neve than I was previously. (I thought she was fine in initial vertical slice, this has changed as I hear more.) However, what does annoy me about dialogue is constant need to intertwine it with action set pieces. I just want the game to feel okay with slowing down.
Honestly though, this game coming out and being competent feels like a miracle I barely dared to dream of, so it’s hard for me to go too hard on it.
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Post by trengilly on Sept 21, 2024 20:21:46 GMT
So, um, to my fellow skeptics out there: I have been in your position - very much so - during Bioware's previous endeavor, the wretched Anthem. I anticipated that game would tank and kill half of Bioware in the process and - to no one's surprise - so it did. But when it comes to DA: Veilguard, I am nowhere near as pessimistic. Quite the opposite, for the most part. Don't get me wrong, I don't expect it to be great either, I don't expect it to be a huge success, but I expect it to be... alright? Like a 7.5/10 game, perhaps? Inquisition-level, maybe? The combat looks pretty good (a mix of Hogwarts's Legacy and God of War, I reckon), and the story serviceable enough (story second to combat, no doubt), and the rest is goofy but not terribly so from what I have seen (apart from the Qunari). So, what am I missing? What could be that bad about this game? Oh I agree with you . . . Veilguard is most likely to be an 'average' game. But I think even an 'average' game could kill Bioware. I think part of the problem with an average game that they are trying to make appeal to the widest audience possible . . . will end up being forgettable to nearly everyone. The Combat is a BIG risk. It doesn't appeal to the old school (or BG3 fans) who prefer tactical or turn based combat. And from what I've seen online . . . Action combat gamers who aren't familiar with Dragon Age seem to think it looks terrible. The Action Combat space is very crowded with tons of high quality games . . . the competition is stiff. What I'm afraid the combat looks like is a light, mobile, type combat that appeals only to casual players and doesn't do anything to provide engaging gameplay. I also suspect the story and companions will be dumbed down and sanitized to appeal to 'everyone'. And finally there are a lot of red flags that Bioware is leaning in the direction of disregarding/suppressing what 'straight male gamers' want from their games. And since this is the majority of the playerbase its a risk and has doomed other projects. But mostly . . . after the bust that was Andromeda and Anthem, I suspect Bioware needs to do better than Average. They need a hit, or at least a really strong showing.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 21, 2024 20:25:15 GMT
So, what am I missing? What could be that bad about this game? Removal of playable companions. Reduction of companions from 3 to 2. Take away the ability wheel, the combat is like MEA except with swords. The overkill on the flashy colors. when in combat. Inq not being playable. Meaning he/she will likely not have the opportunity to have the killing blow when facing chuckles
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Post by Reznore on Sept 21, 2024 20:32:57 GMT
I can't get over hearing John Epler explaining Lords of Fortune are respectful pirates, and would never steal a precious heirloom and hurt anyone's fee-fees. I'm thinking about Isabela and the tome of Koslun and I wonder what's going on. Are the crows going to be chaotic good assassins? Ethical murderers for hire ? Only killing slavers and folks who threaten the innocents? I don't mind games with a PG 13, I played stuff like My time at Sandrock, and it's all colorful, the story is cool for what it is, but it's not super mature...and it works for that universe. But dragon age ? Come on. You can craft a hero who wants to save the world, because you know they'd die with the end of the world, but aren't great people at the end of the day. They explained blood magic is bad, and they don't want a bad hero. But the necro spe is quite similar to blood magic. But it's green energy and not red blood splashing everywhere like the villains do.
I might play a warden just hoping for some drama/edgier roleplay (at least you're blighted that's rough) because it sounds like the faction that are supposed to be more chaotic neutral/evil have been turned into something else.
I'm expecting the roleplay at this point to be quite poor.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 21, 2024 20:38:50 GMT
I really don’t get why people think turn based games don’t sell well. Pokemon, Dragon Quest, Persona—all games with amazing sales. Larian’s DOS 2 was easily the best selling crpg that came out around that time, and it wasn’t close. Not to mention 5e is a juggernaut IP right now. It really isn’t hard to see why it was successful.
BioWare does not make turn based games, and I’m not sure how well frostbite engine supports it anyway. BG3 engine is built off bones of DOS engine and takes advantage of vertical maps and turn based systems in similar fashion. It has almost nothing in common with Bg1 and 2 combat systems beyond both falling under DND umbrella.
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Post by theratpack55 on Sept 21, 2024 20:39:02 GMT
Yeah, same. I frankly don't understand why all of Twitter seems to have the hots for Emmrich. Have you seen the fetishization of that tentacled aberration, the Emperor, by many of BG3's fans? Let's just say some people have questionable tastes... Excuse me, I'm into the old man and tentacle boyfriend. Leave me and my fetishes be. But that's the thing, they are fetishes.
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 21, 2024 20:44:59 GMT
I can't get over hearing John Epler explaining Lords of Fortune are respectful pirates, and would never steal a precious heirloom and hurt anyone's fee-fees. I'm thinking about Isabela and the tome of Koslun and I wonder what's going on. Are the crows going to be chaotic good assassins? Ethical murderers for hire ? Only killing slavers and folks who threaten the innocents? I don't mind games with a PG 13, I played stuff like My time at Sandrock, and it's all colorful, the story is cool for what it is, but it's not super mature...and it works for that universe. But dragon age ? Come on. You can craft a hero who wants to save the world, because you know they'd die with the end of the world, but aren't great people at the end of the day. They explained blood magic is bad, and they don't want a bad hero. But the necro spe is quite similar to blood magic. But it's green energy and not red blood splashing everywhere like the villains do. I might play a warden just hoping for some drama/edgier roleplay (at least you're blighted that's rough) because it sounds like the faction that are supposed to be more chaotic neutral/evil have been turned into something else. I'm expecting the roleplay at this point to be quite poor. I actually listened to that Epler interview earlier today and had the same reaction as you. I wonder if they were watching too much Our Flag Means Death when they came up with LoF, haha.
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Post by Reznore on Sept 21, 2024 20:47:50 GMT
I actually listened to that Epler interview earlier today and had the same reaction as you. I wonder if they were watching too much Our Flag Means Death when they came up with LoF, haha. As an aside, is it any good? I thought of watching it cause it looked quite fun?
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Post by illuminated11 on Sept 21, 2024 20:52:38 GMT
I actually listened to that Epler interview earlier today and had the same reaction as you. I wonder if they were watching too much Our Flag Means Death when they came up with LoF, haha. As an aside, is it any good? I thought of watching it cause it looked quite fun? I loved it, but I’ve liked pretty much anything that involves Lin Manuel Miranda. So if you enjoyed his past stuff, and aren’t bothered by historical inaccuracies, I’d recommend it.
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