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Post by gervaise21 on Oct 31, 2024 15:42:18 GMT
About Solas His Dread Wolf form is HIDEOUS.
It was supposed to be this giant wolf with spirits for wings looking all cool and menacing. Instead it's a mangy dog with shaved fur and saggy skin all over except for a mohawk-like stripe on its back and head.
LOL So it's a kindness to put him down really.
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Post by danaxe on Oct 31, 2024 15:43:38 GMT
inb4 Loghain shows up. They seemed to determined to take a giant steamy one on the lore of this once great series. To be fair, if that's Meredith, I think her return already happened in some comic or whatever, which to be fair again, doesnt make it any better...
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Post by themikefest on Oct 31, 2024 15:45:31 GMT
Yeah, I'm never buying another Dragon Age game again with these people in charge. I will. Why? That's so I can I play the game and comment on it whether it's bad or good Any word on if we can ignore companions beyond their forced recruitment? You have to do their personal quests if you want the good ending. Like ME2. Like ME2? No. The player did not have to complete all loyalty missions to have everyone survive.
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Post by fenalaslavellan on Oct 31, 2024 15:48:14 GMT
inb4 Loghain shows up. They seemed to determined to take a giant steamy one on the lore of this once great series. To be fair, if that's Meredith, I think her return already happened in some comic or whatever, which to be fair again, doesnt make it any better... It happened on that shitty ass Netflix series. Problem is we've just dealt with 3 elven gods, and now Meredith is supposed to be next? lol
Don't get me wrong, only Solas is close to the level of complexity needed to compare to her, but it is just pathetic tbh.
Specially because Hawke is NEVER coming back to deal with all of this anyway, just like with Corypheus.
The writing, the lore, the tone, Dragon Age is a jumble mess right now and I can't help but laugh.
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Post by Envisionary on Oct 31, 2024 15:48:54 GMT
About Solas I appreciate that how they handled Solas wasn't what a lot of us were anticipating.
A tragic hero he is not. He truly just does reveal himself to be a colossal megadouche at every instance of the finale and I'm riding the high of it.
I want to see the "you just don't understand his wisdom, he's saving Thedas, it means something that he didn't kill Varric" Solas fans react to it.
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Post by andorvex on Oct 31, 2024 15:49:52 GMT
Nah, I think the story of DA2 only works so well because your character is ultimately so powerless to make choices that matter. It's a flow in the design of the game, but a flow they used to make the story great I think it can make for good conversations when it comes to the concept of, "Fate," and whether any decisions you make can go against it. I think I would have preferred more variation on the ending with DA2 more than anything though. The ending of DA2 is a clusterfuck for sure. And it's clear they wanted to have more choice when it comes to Orsino and such (Gaider confirmed it in the 9 hours retrospective of DAO) but overall it seems they realized early on they don't have enough resources to provide the same amount of choice they did in origin so they decided to embrace it and make the story reflect it. The quest with Hawk's mom, Anders and the chantey, these things make me think the narrative they try drive home is this cruel fate tragedy indeed.
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Post by andorvex on Oct 31, 2024 15:50:57 GMT
About Solas I appreciate that how they handled Solas wasn't what a lot of us were anticipating.
A tragic hero he is not. He truly just does reveal himself to be a colossal megadouche at every instance of the finale and I'm riding the high of it.
I want to see the "you just don't understand his wisdom, he's saving Thedas, it means something that he didn't kill Varric" Solas fans react to it. It's gonna be hilarious
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Post by grallon on Oct 31, 2024 15:51:54 GMT
For everyone who wishes to see the final 'best moments' of the game (without doling out any money). Here played on PS5.
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Post by andorvex on Oct 31, 2024 15:55:49 GMT
For everyone who wishes to see the final 'best moments' of the game (without doling out any money). Here played on PS5. For love and kittens! It looks like Coco's sequel
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 31, 2024 15:59:49 GMT
From the reddit review: "Renegade Shepard with horns". I mean. Where to start? I know they're a big Dragon Age fan, but are they a big Mass Effect fan? Renegade Shepard without horns regularly intimidates, beats, extorts, and threatens civilians. Renegade Shepard tends to be pro-human to a Cerberus degree and everything that implies. Renegade Shepard is regularly dismissive, cruel and nasty to his companions when given the chance. Renegade Shepard with horns? He commits genocide twice before lunch. Kills his companion's child, hooks a civilian up to be tortured for a chance at intel of a defeated enemy, doesn't even deign to try to warn the Batarians of their relay destruction, and he shoots and kills the man or woman who was with him from day one. Not to mention he lies to a long time companion's face and even tries to bring up a loyalty to mission to get him to stand down. This is of course after he's been found out to have sabotaged a cure that could save the Krogan. He drives a companion to suicide because he just didn't care enough to put in the work to save them. He effectively kills the council to install his own people when given the opportunity. Those are some mighty big shoes to fill, Rook. Shepard commit's genocide? What is this genocide you speak of? In regard's to Anne being tortured? It was her idea and was willing to do whatever to stop Leviathan Shoot's and kill A/K? While I'm not a fan of how it was setup, A/K refused to stand down. No matter the situation, it's up to the player to prevent that either through dialogue or an interrupt. Sabotaging the genophage is the correct action. Why? It get's more resources to deal with the reapers. When facing Wrex, the stupid krogan uses his shotgun like he did on Virmire to get what he want's. What an idiot. The funny part is him mentioning "or do you think I'm dumb as my brother". Sorry Wrex you're the dumb one. If you had any brains at all, you would have kept that audio file in your back pocket for later. After the reapers have been defeated, you have proof Shepard didn't hold up his/her end of the deal. It would be up to the council what course of action to take. Letting the council die is the right choice. It's also a choice I would not have Shepard be making. I would have left it up to Hackett since he see's the state of the battle. But I mostly put the blame on the commander of the destiny ship. Once the council is onboard, have the ship leave the area getting the council to safety. That didn't happen. She failed her duty. My Shepard liked working with Cerberus. They were willing to whatever to deal with the collectors. What would the circus, I mean the Alliance, have done? Then you have King clown anderscum telling Shepard it's up to him/her to deal with the reapers. **** him. He never cared. The Alliance never cared. Rook doesn't have any shoes to fill. Be him/herself, but at the same time don't be a lame duck like the one in MEA. Batarians, Krogan, Geth or Qunari in terms of genocide. Anne? We're talking about David. I do not disagree with the Virmire survivor, but it is a choice that a pure Renegade would take. Working with Cerberus was okay if you weren't a survivor from Akuze. I knew the Illusive Man was playing me, but I didn't entirely disagree with his vision. Humanity comes first, but not to the destruction of the other races. As for the rest, you assume I disagree. That would not be accurate. And at least in the reviewers eyes, Rook would indeed have massive shoes to fill.
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 31, 2024 16:01:41 GMT
For everyone who wishes to see the final 'best moments' of the game (without doling out any money). Here played on PS5. This is the bad end. Good, because if this was the only end I wouldn't even bother buying it on sale.
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Post by fenalaslavellan on Oct 31, 2024 16:07:13 GMT
This game will go down as the funniest entry in the series, purple Hawke cannot top this, ever. Elgar'nan is so pathetically cartoony that he actually kept bragging about his "empire" or whatever to a complete stranger nonstop.
He is also emasculated by Neve, a mortal mage who suddenly managed to control the power of the Blight better than him. And mind you, everyone in this game seem immune to the otherwise fatal Blight corruption lol, it just gives you red eyes, a night's sleep can fix that.
Ghilan'nain's dying words were "We had so many plans my brother." DEAD LOL
Morrigan making jokes while the world is ending too.
Even Elgar'nan got his chance to be narrator, detailing how he is "The last of the Evanuris" blahblahblah.
I think I like this game the same way I like Neil Breen movies, so bad it's good.
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Post by wright1978 on Oct 31, 2024 16:07:53 GMT
For everyone who wishes to see the final 'best moments' of the game (without doling out any money). Here played on PS5. Is there an end where the veilguard fail completely? That would be my ideal honestly.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Oct 31, 2024 16:18:03 GMT
For everyone who wishes to see the final 'best moments' of the game (without doling out any money). Here played on PS5. Clearly copying Mass Effect 2, and that game still did it better. Also, why is everyone in the game but Taash about 5 heads tall? What a weird design choice.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Oct 31, 2024 16:24:12 GMT
Well, a bit over 2 hours of Cohh Carnage streaming DAV so far and I don't feel the game is insulting. It's serviceable. Some minor visual glitches and some clipping, I still don't like the combat but it doesn't seem to be as bad and frenetic as I initially thought (maybe a warrior feels more appropriate than a mage) but the aggro is still a lot on Rook and the companions will sometimes stand around and do nothing if Rook is too far away from an enemy (like if Rook is a mage and shooting spells from afar). The amount of times Rook speaks unprompted is still annoying. Music so far is nice and even a few DAI reminiscent pieces. Based just on what I've seen to this point, I would be ok with buying it some time after New Year's.
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Post by grallon on Oct 31, 2024 16:26:54 GMT
This is the bad end. Good, because if this was the only end I wouldn't even bother buying it on sale. The irony is, this might actually help the sales. People getting this just so they can kill this crew (and Bioware by proxy).
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Post by spacev3gan on Oct 31, 2024 16:37:33 GMT
Time to play and put our criticism/skepticism to the test. See y'all in several weeks time.
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Post by yarus on Oct 31, 2024 16:48:19 GMT
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“Secret” ending reveals a whole new series of villains were manipulating the events of DAO and DA2(Loghain, Bertrand’s betrayal, etc) that is the very definition of “all according to Keikuku”
I hate this I hate this I hate this
I prefer the bad ending where everyone dies
Worst fucking SERIES SPANNING retcons incoming this is some death note ass “all according to keikaku” ass bullshit that retroactively robs many characters of agency and nuance
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 31, 2024 16:53:36 GMT
Too many spoilery things not in spoiler tags now, I might have to avoid this thread for a while before I get any twists spoiled.
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Post by witchcocktor on Oct 31, 2024 17:08:07 GMT
Archon Dorian Parvus
“Secret” ending reveals a whole new series of villains were manipulating the events of DAO and DA2(Loghain, Bertrand’s betrayal, etc) that is the very definition of “all according to Keikuku”
I hate this I hate this I hate this
I prefer the bad ending where everyone dies
Worst fucking SERIES SPANNING retcons incoming this is some death note ass “all according to keikaku” ass bullshit that retroactively robs many characters of agency and nuance This is really bad. Why is this game so trope-y, like blatantly so.
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Post by Ieldra on Oct 31, 2024 17:12:35 GMT
Archon Dorian Parvus
“Secret” ending reveals a whole new series of villains were manipulating the events of DAO and DA2(Loghain, Bertrand’s betrayal, etc) that is the very definition of “all according to Keikuku”
I hate this I hate this I hate this
I prefer the bad ending where everyone dies
Worst fucking SERIES SPANNING retcons incoming this is some death note ass “all according to keikaku” ass bullshit that retroactively robs many characters of agency and nuance Seems my statement about writers so prideful they'd destroy worlds for their ambitions was spot on. They must really hate the old stuff they can't control, so of course they have to retcon it. It seems DAV might just be the second game I have to pretend does not exist. After Deus Ex: Invisible War back in 2004.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 31, 2024 17:15:15 GMT
Please make sure your spoiler tags are up. Mod-adding spoiler tags without actually reading the spoiler is tricky and a PITA to do, frankly.
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Post by journey95 on Oct 31, 2024 17:16:25 GMT
Archon Dorian Parvus
“Secret” ending reveals a whole new series of villains were manipulating the events of DAO and DA2(Loghain, Bertrand’s betrayal, etc) that is the very definition of “all according to Keikuku”
I hate this I hate this I hate this
I prefer the bad ending where everyone dies
Worst fucking SERIES SPANNING retcons incoming this is some death note ass “all according to keikaku” ass bullshit that retroactively robs many characters of agency and nuance Holy shit, as if this game couldn't get any worse. I really hope this game flops somehow. Shame on Bioware for delivering garbage like this
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Post by fenalaslavellan on Oct 31, 2024 17:20:39 GMT
Archon Dorian Parvus
“Secret” ending reveals a whole new series of villains were manipulating the events of DAO and DA2(Loghain, Bertrand’s betrayal, etc) that is the very definition of “all according to Keikuku”
I hate this I hate this I hate this
I prefer the bad ending where everyone dies
Worst fucking SERIES SPANNING retcons incoming this is some death note ass “all according to keikaku” ass bullshit that retroactively robs many characters of agency and nuance If anyone here know who Black Zetsu is, this is it. Bioware seems braindead enough to think they should copy the ending of Naruto. lol
If there was any doubt that Dragon Age was dead, this is it. This "good" ending is the nail in the coffin they needed. lol
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Post by andorvex on Oct 31, 2024 17:38:46 GMT
For everyone who wishes to see the final 'best moments' of the game (without doling out any money). Here played on PS5. All right watched it all. I think it's not a bad end in the sense it's badly written, at least I'm sure it not written any worse than the "good" ending.
The dialogue is serviceable, not the worst but nothing extraordinary. The story from what I understand is interesting but is not executed very well, the Solas betrayal was extremely weird... They realize he plans to betray them before he does it and while doing this plot point like this avoids the cliche of the stab at the back in the final moment but that made the whole thing extremely anticlimactic. So yeah generally I liked it.
A final wonder - I wonder whether you can maybe redeem solas in the good ending.
Edit: saw the other ending and my prediction of the good ending was false
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