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Post by phoray on Nov 2, 2024 14:43:56 GMT
It is not Anthem with Dragons. It's not even Andromeda with Dragons. It's Mass Effect 2 with Dragons.That said, I have not recruited Lucanis yet<<- So I'm only talking about up until Lucanis' ASSIGNED recruitment. so please do not quote or reply to me with spoilers. I just want to explore this thought with all the other grouchy folks who wanted more. Unlike Mass Effect 2, however, we don't have an entire previous game to give us roots about who our Protagnist who and who they care about. We have a nameless nobody where Varric has to tell who we are and what we did before we met in the vaguest of terms. And we're hard written as doubtful of our leadership abilities (but why?) and need pep talks from Varric about them. We then are dictated to by Tim/Solas as to our next moves even though we fucking hate him. Unlike Mass Effect 2, we are recruiting no one we know as Rook.
So much requires the knowledge of an existing player. The connection to Varric, to Harding-- If I were a new player I'd be so confused by everything. So how did they make this game for a new player to the series that they needed so desperately"? The work wasn't done for a new player. So they pissed off old players by bringing nothing about the world state forward. Threw Varric and Harding at us with no relationship establishing conversations. I have no idea why Harding is freaking out before her Gift starts, crying in the Lighthouse. And then she becomes obsessed about what the Gift means- so much for her anxious overwhelm that lasted 5 minutes and we never get to understand why it was even happening? Who the hell is Harding to Rook but a chick Varric dragged along? Same for Neve and they at least have conversations where they recognize they are total strangers who are just coworkers now. Threw Morrigan at us like a bone (still a complete stranger to Rook) but all she did was show up, she's not even part of the War Table cinematic of Inquisition to imply she's helping even though she said she was available? In the most awkward pose ever. The trailer that led us to believe morrigan was in the game pre release was clearly so carefully crafted to hype us, this is such a letdown (so far, maybe she does stuff later). But also how is Morrigan, potential vessel of Mythal, NOT moved to the Lighthouse with us?
And then I start the recreuitment of Lucanis. I'm dragged through an Antivan market while the Qunari do things I do not understand at all (big brother motif). Brought to a caricature of some kind of mob boss family with no context but I know heavily draws on and relies on a book I read years ago for me to even understand. But NOTHING is there for a new player. WHAT. THE. HELL. This is so random for a new player and disjointed as fuck for an old player. Grouch done for now. Just to be clear, comparing it to ME2 is meant to be a compliment, or a criticism? Because comparing it to ME2 MAKES me want to play it now. ME2 was the best of Mass Effect, so it just sends mixed messages. Unless you didn't like ME2, which is fine if you didn't. It's just confusing sometimes on these boards is all lol I liked Mass Effect 2 but if it weren't Shepard but someone else as the protagonist, would it have been good?
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 14:49:38 GMT
Just to be clear, comparing it to ME2 is meant to be a compliment, or a criticism? Because comparing it to ME2 MAKES me want to play it now. ME2 was the best of Mass Effect, so it just sends mixed messages. Unless you didn't like ME2, which is fine if you didn't. It's just confusing sometimes on these boards is all lol You need to read the bit under the spoiler. Essentially, it is someone that can see what they were trying for but failed. I suspected as much. They knew that ME2 was really popular, so they thought let's do ME2 in Dragon Age. If it had the level of sophistication in characters and writing of ME2, it would have been a great game but it doesn't. Also, a big drawback, as Phoray points out in the spoiler, is that ME2 was following on from the previous game with an established protagonist and returning characters you had actually spent time with. If Veilguard had used the Keep then it might have come close to replicating ME2, at least from a continuity perspective, but they didn't. Even returning characters and cameos lack depth because of this. So it is not actually ME2 with dragons but that's what they were trying for and failed. From my outsider viewpoint, it seems to me that DA2 was a better game from a writing perspective, particularly considering they pulled that off in something like 12-18 months. They had 10 years on this project.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Nov 2, 2024 14:51:00 GMT
Just to be clear, comparing it to ME2 is meant to be a compliment, or a criticism? Because comparing it to ME2 MAKES me want to play it now. ME2 was the best of Mass Effect, so it just sends mixed messages. Unless you didn't like ME2, which is fine if you didn't. It's just confusing sometimes on these boards is all lol I liked Mass Effect 2 but if it weren't Shepard but someone else as the protagonist, would it have been good? Considering most of the companions were new to the world, had depth and were excellently written, it would seem so. Especially with a well written protagonist that had the same freedoms that Shepard enjoyed. Would it have been as good? Maybe not, but definitely still a good game.
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Post by journey95 on Nov 2, 2024 14:53:01 GMT
Just to be clear, comparing it to ME2 is meant to be a compliment, or a criticism? Because comparing it to ME2 MAKES me want to play it now. ME2 was the best of Mass Effect, so it just sends mixed messages. Unless you didn't like ME2, which is fine if you didn't. It's just confusing sometimes on these boards is all lol I liked Mass Effect 2 but if it weren't Shepard but someone else as the protagonist, would it have been good? Yes. Hell some ME fans think it should have been its own game since it barely moves the Reaper plot (I disagree with them but that's another topic) But ME2 has one of the best casts in gaming history honestly. Almost every character was fantastic and it treated you like an adult. Veilguard is like a pale imitation with teenagers as your main cast basically
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Post by fenalaslavellan on Nov 2, 2024 14:53:40 GMT
About the Blight. It is pretty funny how trivialized the Blight is in this game. I don't think I have heard a single person mention the word "taint" in the game so far, and by that I obviously mean Darkspawn Taint.
Bellara and the others almost treat it as if it's just some cold or whatever.
The "Blight" has been reduced to almost fungal growths with a lot of blood that Rook and the party can bathe in, that can be left growing just outside some merchant's door and they keep open selling their baubles.
It's funny that r/dragonage used D'meta's Crossing scene as proof that this game is dark fantasy. And yet even the game treats it like just an annoyance.
I am not exaggerating, there's a place where there's Blight growth all over the buildings and there's merchant just there still open across the street, and on the other street nearby a bloody market full of stalls.
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Post by journey95 on Nov 2, 2024 14:55:31 GMT
About the Blight. It is pretty funny how trivialized the Blight is in this game. I don't think I have heard a single person mention the word "taint" in the game so far, and by that I obviously mean Darkspawn Taint.
Bellara and the others almost treat it as if it's just some cold or whatever.
The "Blight" has been reduced to almost fungal growths with a lot of blood that Rook and the party can bathe in, that can be left growing just outside some merchant's door and they keep open selling their baubles.
It's funny that r/dragonage used D'meta's Crossing scene as proof that this game is dark fantasy. And yet even the game treats it like just an annoyance.
I am not exaggerating, there's a place where there's Blight growth all over the buildings and there's merchant just there still open across the street, and on the other street nearby a bloody market full of stalls. This game just shits all over the lore, that's just one of the many examples. They really didn't care about being consistent with the rest of the franchise
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Post by Nimlowyn on Nov 2, 2024 14:56:32 GMT
The Emmrich romance is wholesome at least, Perhaps it is just me but there are two aspects that I found a bit...odd? Constantly calling Rook either my darling or my dear. Part of my objection comes from the fact when I was around Rook's age but because I looked younger people of Emmrich's age kept calling me "dear" and it really felt patronising. (I realise this might be my own personal problem). However, there is something about him calling a young Rook, particularly a male Rook, by that term that emphasises the age difference and really I don't find "darling" a great improvement on it. I loved it when Dorian called my Inquisitor "Amatus", so perhaps it would have just worked better if they used a non-English term. As I say, it is probably just a personal taste thing. The second one I did find weird and I can't get past that as I don't find it at all romantic to make love in a coffin! Yep, that's right, fade to black as they descend into one. No mistake about it as Rook wakes up the following morning to find Emmrich is already up and about offering them breakfast and Rook comments they were there all night. Nope, sorry, I think the rest of the Emmrich romance is really sweet but a coffin love nest, no way. Yeah, wow, that second thing under the spoiler tag is extremely disgusting. Thanks for the heads up. I was going to roleplay a Rook who strongly opposes necromancy but I'm feeling pretty confident I won't be able to do that.
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Post by q5tyhj on Nov 2, 2024 15:01:12 GMT
Just to be clear, comparing it to ME2 is meant to be a compliment, or a criticism? Because comparing it to ME2 MAKES me want to play it now. ME2 was the best of Mass Effect, so it just sends mixed messages. Unless you didn't like ME2, which is fine if you didn't. It's just confusing sometimes on these boards is all lol I liked Mass Effect 2 but if it weren't Shepard but someone else as the protagonist, would it have been good? I think so, it wasn't anything about Shepard specifically that made ME2 stand out for me, it was the quest design and the companions mainly
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 15:01:16 GMT
You're just over thinking it. Nothing and I mean nothing you were told or saw in previous games matters now. Just go with the flow and stop asking awkward questions.
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Post by phoray on Nov 2, 2024 15:03:53 GMT
I liked Mass Effect 2 but if it weren't Shepard but someone else as the protagonist, would it have been good? I think so, it wasn't anything about Shepard specifically that made ME2 stand out for me, it was the quest design and the companions mainly I only played once and it's been years. I just remember reconnecting with Garrus being really meaningful. And I don't think that meaning will be here in Veilguard.
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Post by fenalaslavellan on Nov 2, 2024 15:09:56 GMT
You're just over thinking it. Nothing and I mean nothing you were told or saw in previous games matters now. Just go with the flow and stop asking awkward questions. It's not even just the lore, it's common sense. Would merchants and establishments remain open if the building right next to them was covered in Anthrax powder or something? lol
It is truly insane to think that they thought it was ok. Worldbuilding, immersion and a modicum of realism aren't part of this game and I think you can only truly have fun with this if you:
A - Never played or heard of Dragon Age before.
B - Has an extremely short attention span.
C - Don't pay attention to any details, be it small or big.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Nov 2, 2024 15:10:28 GMT
Reconnecting with Garrus is interesting, because there's a possibility Shepard never recruited him. The scene is still good and even dramatic, but obviously pales in comparison to a reunited Vakarian and Shepard.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 2, 2024 15:10:47 GMT
Just to be clear, comparing it to ME2 is meant to be a compliment, or a criticism? Because comparing it to ME2 MAKES me want to play it now. ME2 was the best of Mass Effect, so it just sends mixed messages. Unless you didn't like ME2, which is fine if you didn't. It's just confusing sometimes on these boards is all lol I liked Mass Effect 2 but if it weren't Shepard but someone else as the protagonist, would it have been good? Depends. If everything is nearly same, it might have been. Shepard dies at the beginning. In step's another with similar skillset as Shepard. Only a few characters carried over from ME1. Could have Garrus and Tali say how good a leader Shepard was. They trust the new one enough to join to help stop the collectors. Joker doesn't care as long as he's the pilot.
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Post by marikahaliwell on Nov 2, 2024 15:14:57 GMT
I will consider this game as a bad nightmare my Inquisitor had after drinking from the Well of Sorrows.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 2, 2024 15:23:11 GMT
I finally realized what Rook's hilarious quicksand running reminds me of! The kid in ME3 running in Shep's nightmares. LOL. Funny bad in 2012, still bad in 2024. See, there's still old BioWare in this game!
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Post by themikefest on Nov 2, 2024 15:25:50 GMT
I finally realized what Rook's hilarious quicksand running reminds me of! The kid in ME3 running in Shep's nightmares. LOL. Funny bad in 2012, still bad in 2024. See, there's still old BioWare in this game! You know what's funny? After taking a breath, Shepard say's to her/himself, What the **** kind of dream was that? referring to MEA.
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Post by phoray on Nov 2, 2024 15:26:47 GMT
You're just over thinking it. Nothing and I mean nothing you were told or saw in previous games matters now. Just go with the flow and stop asking awkward questions. It's not even just the lore, it's common sense. I've had that feeling a few times. All the work we have to do to get through a door for example-- with balistas placed by who exactly? With extremely convoluted energy beams, surely the ancient elves didn't think this was aesthetically pleasing or useful?
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Post by journey95 on Nov 2, 2024 15:28:24 GMT
It's ironic that Neve so far feels like the only adult in the room. Her voice acting sounds bored and stilted but at least she doesn't talk like she's mentally five like Bellara and shockingly also Harding. So I hope romancing her won't feel like Twilight. This game is a complete abomination and every bit as bad as SkillUp said in the first couple of hours anyway. Maybe there's some decent stuff coming. But there is nothing to like here yet. Writing is atrocious, combat is boring voice acting sucks too. I take back my initial enthusiasm for non open world. It doesn't feel like I'm in an actual real breathing world. Something Mass Effect DID accomplish without open world design, so it's absolutely doable. But that might be the initial highly magical areas where everything is broken up. There is no sense of place. Super claustrophobic and game-y platform design. Like I'm walking through a stage play. Nothing feels alive and real. Sure, the world looks pretty, I guess. But this game's scope is AA level with AAA graphics and polish. This is the most unimmersive "RPG" I've ever played. I just got off replaying Witcher 3, and it's total whiplash in every regard. DAV ten years later doesn't even have better facial animations and Witcher 3 wasn't exactly pioneering in that respect. Still, Witcher 3 faces conveyed all the emotion necessary. DAV doesn't have completely wooden expressions. Most of the time the emotion is visible. But you'd think the former masters of storytelling would invest in better tech or even go motion capture. Then again it would have been utterly wasted on this embarrassing script. It's not the actors' fault I don't think. You cannot work with a script so bad and save it. Somebody told them to talk as if addressing children. And they did that perfectly. I honestly don't understand who this game was made for. I just saw that it's PEGI 18?!? LMAO, omfg... In Germany it's 16 and up. And even that is a joke if you go by dialogue alone. Even 12 year olds should feel insulted by the dialogue. If you showed me just snippets of companion dialogue and their Pixar faces I would have said it's aimed at 6 year olds. THAT is the appropriate age group for dialogue this childish. So we get elementary school writing with gore and sex. What the hell is that?!?! Just laughing at this point. Sadly the game isn't so bad it's funny yet, it's mostly boring so far. Yeah at least Neve is more mature but damm her VA sucks. She sounds bored. Also brace yourself for the shittest companion, Tash. She makes Harding and Bellara look mature. Horrible self insert character. Honestly Lucanis is probably the best companion so far, not that memorable but at least not annoying. Much like Andromde this game was rushed in the past few years since they restarted development like two times. And you can really see it (just like with Andromeda), its not polished at all. The animations are almost Andromeda level, the story seems nonsensical and kind of thrown together.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 2, 2024 15:58:33 GMT
Just laughing at this point. Sadly the game isn't so bad it's funny yet, it's mostly boring so far.That's probably the number one thing staying my hand besides everything else. I would have taken a damned quipfest over boring. You have all this rich lore, an amazing universe, and nearly limitless writing potential and the best they can come up with is a simplified kid's cartoon with generic villains. Villains that no one even really bothers to bring up so far. Isn't that strange? Most of the reviews hardly feature a mention of them. Good or bad. That's alarming. What the fuck happened to Horror of Hormak? Where is that Ghilan'nain? To top it off, I've heard the ending pretty much destroys the franchise. Looks like they're going to need a Dragon Age Legendary Edition to rehab the ip. Then again, I don't want them anywhere near the original games. They cannot be trusted. They can't remaster them because of the engine of DAO-DA2. If they remake them, it would be from the ground up. And there is no chance the remake will be even remotely as good as the originals.
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Post by The Pluto Lounge on Nov 2, 2024 16:26:43 GMT
I disagree on Neve as there are some scenes where her voice acting is good. Out of all the characters so far (just got Lucanis), she also has the best chemistry with Rook. To me at least. I think it's more of a writing/direction issue, for example when she is first recruited. Demons are pouring in, the city is under attack, and a world ending ritual is going on. However, the writing is as if everything is fine.
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Post by fenalaslavellan on Nov 2, 2024 16:36:54 GMT
About the Dalish and the Evanuris. They completely skipped the part where the Dalish lose their shit after learning that their gods were simply uber powerful mages that enslaved all elves.
The Dalish at the start of the game already know who and what the Evanuris are, almost as if they all know what the Inquisitor and the Inquisition learned during Trespasser.
The problem however is that Strife, a character from Tevinter Nights, didn't know any of this prior to Veilguard and now he suddenly knows everything.
If they somehow learned of it in Arlathan Forest ok, if Morrigan told them, ok. But it is such a missed opportunity to have an indentity and faith crisis with the Dalish as a people. Instead every single Dalish is already "they're not my gods", and some are even on a first name basis with Solas and know he is Fen'Harel.
Another bizarre thing that the writers simply buried in Veilguard. There aren't agents of the Dread Wolf anywhere in this game. Not a single one. Trespasser had one, Tevinter Nights is full of them, hell even that Vows and Vengeance podcast had one. Yet Veilguard itself is lazy enough that there is not a single agent under Solas TRYING to help him succeed in his plans? Geez, how pathetic.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 2, 2024 16:38:53 GMT
I disagree on Neve as there are some scenes where her voice acting is good. Out of all the characters so far (just got Lucanis), she also has the best chemistry with Rook. To me at least. I think it's more of a writing/direction issue, for example when she is first recruited. Demons are pouring in, the city is under attack, and a world ending ritual is going on. However, the writing is as if everything is fine. After seeing more of her I agree with you. Her voice acting is uneven at worst, and sometimes is pretty good.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 2, 2024 16:46:18 GMT
I disagree on Neve as there are some scenes where her voice acting is good. Out of all the characters so far (just got Lucanis), she also has the best chemistry with Rook. To me at least. I think it's more of a writing/direction issue, for example when she is first recruited. Demons are pouring in, the city is under attack, and a world ending ritual is going on. However, the writing is as if everything is fine. After seeing more of her I agree with you. Her voice acting is uneven at worst, and sometimes is pretty good. I'm warming up to her voice acting as well. And it's nice talking to an adult who can form longer sentences than five words. Definitely happy I made a male Rook for her. I find Harding super annoying so far and Bellara is so bad I wish I could just put her on mute. I agree that Rook and Neve vibe the best. Not surprising though since there usually is a canon straight romance that gets the most love. And going by the marketing material it's Neve. I'm not complaining, this works perfectly for me. On my way to recruiting Lucanis...
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Free me now, I'm not answering questions, blah blah blah. Don't you know who I am?
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andorvex
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda, SWTOR, Mass Effect Legendary Edition
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Post by andorvex on Nov 2, 2024 16:53:41 GMT
Harding is the biggest disappointment. Do you think she feels the same as she was in inquisition?
I know her role wasn't too big there, but I don't know I get the sense she was more of no nonsense girl with a bit of a wit. Nothing of that here...
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