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Post by journey95 on Nov 2, 2024 18:10:12 GMT
The player count on steam is not even 80k on a Saturday..unless the sales on consoles are really amazing this game is no doubt not doing very well
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Post by emissaryoflies on Nov 2, 2024 18:12:13 GMT
I know the Mage and Templar 'war' was resolved very quickly in Inquisition, but prejudices are hardly killed so quickly and easily. We need only look at human history to confirm that. Did they do away with all the nuance and depth of 'human' behavior in regards to established beliefs about classes/races in this title? They removed all nuanced conflicts. Be it the opression of elves, mage vs templar conflict, any compelling politics etc. Its just all black and white now. Rook & co. vs two cartoony evil gods who are worse than Cory And that's why we all love Dragon Age. Black and white. No gray. No nuance or depth. Just point us at the bad guy and we'll save the day! Remember that time the Warden sold a child to a demon for blood magic?
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Post by Iakus on Nov 2, 2024 18:17:04 GMT
Some people are saying at least the lore bits you collect are well written. I dunno, has anybody shared this letter of Harding to her mother? Harding is around 50 now, right? This sounds like a letter written by a teenager... Shared it with a friend who used to be a huge Bioware fan but who won't be playing this (smart choice) and he was just "lol". Harding is supposed to be 50?? She acts like a 12 year old. She was very different in Inquisition The VA is 46. But Harding herself is supposed to be in her 30s as of Veilguard, I think (assuming she's in her 20s in DAI)
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 18:17:56 GMT
Harding is around 50 now, right? I don't think she's that old is she? I wouldn't have put her more than 30 during Inquisition, which would make her around 42 now. However, I thought she was younger than that. She only become a scout on the formation of the Inquisition and had worked on the family farm before that. Nevertheless, after all she saw whilst with the Inquisition and since, you wouldn't think she would be quite so awestruck and gushing about what she sees in Minrathous. She seemed far more level headed from what I recall of her. I say it fits the Harding we see in this game pretty well. That's the nub of it really. This isn't the same Harding we knew in DAI, just someone with the same name.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 2, 2024 18:27:39 GMT
We'll likely get a clearer picture of the reception on that site in a week or two. Dragon Age Origins fans will likely be at the lower end of the ratings. There will be exceptions, but I suspect not many. Inquisition fans will probably score it higher because Veilguard ostensibly isn't as dramatic a departure from what they enjoy. In all likelihood it'll settle around a five or six after all is said and done. Which is a fair score with everything taken into account. They could have done themselves a huge favor by removing the words "Dragon Age" from their product. I think this pretty much sums up the game and is a very fair assessment of the game itself and the reception to it. It seems to me that if you are not a big DA fan or if inquisition is your favourite you are much more likely to enjoy this one. But I personally think, even as someone who thinks inquisition is the weakest in the trilogy, that saying this is close to inquisition in terms of quality is a big insult to inquisition. I think the tone is closer but that's where similarities end.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 18:33:21 GMT
I've had that feeling a few times. All the work we have to do to get through a door for example-- with balistas placed by who exactly? With extremely convoluted energy beams, surely the ancient elves didn't think this was aesthetically pleasing or useful? At least they aren't making you look through a singing skull, made in a horrific way, in order to locate shards that act as a key to an ancient shrine, yet have only become apparent recently, allegedly from the explosion (I think), yet inside buildings and structures that should be impossible. Or having to locate halla statues, at least one of which is stuffed up in a crazy position in the rafters of a kitchen (why?). Or dance on pretty tiles in the right order to gain approval of an ancient elf. Then discover the only way to do one sequence is to cheat (by looking on the Internet) because naturally you would never guess you had to jump up on a wall and run along to keep the sequence going. The ancient elves had some really weird ideas but gaining the approval of the priesthood of an elven god by disco dancing was rather odd. I will consider this game as a bad nightmare my Inquisitor had after drinking from the Well of Sorrows. Are you sure there was a Well of Sorrows? No one remembers it now. It's all a trick of the Fade!
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Post by akots on Nov 2, 2024 18:33:55 GMT
The player count on steam is not even 80k on a Saturday..unless the sales on consoles are really amazing this game is no doubt not doing very well It's about same to current number of players of BG3. BG3 had approximately 800K playing at launch, so roughly DAV is getting 10% of that. I presume, the sales have a similar ratio being 1/10th of BG3. Consoles generally should follow this trend. It does not look like a very bad number on its own.
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Post by parsival on Nov 2, 2024 18:41:50 GMT
I have had more opportunities to pet dogs in the game than I have to start conversations with NPCs. Sad.
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Post by phoray on Nov 2, 2024 18:42:30 GMT
Oh my gosh, I'd forgotten that series of silliness. Maybe I'm judging the new game harsher than I should considering how dumb some previous games have been
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 18:44:48 GMT
About the Dalish and the Evanuris. They completely skipped the part where the Dalish lose their shit after learning that their gods were simply uber powerful mages that enslaved all elves.
The Dalish at the start of the game already know who and what the Evanuris are, almost as if they all know what the Inquisitor and the Inquisition learned during Trespasser.
The problem however is that Strife, a character from Tevinter Nights, didn't know any of this prior to Veilguard and now he suddenly knows everything.
If they somehow learned of it in Arlathan Forest ok, if Morrigan told them, ok. But it is such a missed opportunity to have an indentity and faith crisis with the Dalish as a people. Instead every single Dalish is already "they're not my gods", and some are even on a first name basis with Solas and know he is Fen'Harel.
Another bizarre thing that the writers simply buried in Veilguard. There aren't agents of the Dread Wolf anywhere in this game. Not a single one. Trespasser had one, Tevinter Nights is full of them, hell even that Vows and Vengeance podcast had one. Yet Veilguard itself is lazy enough that there is not a single agent under Solas TRYING to help him succeed in his plans? Geez, how pathetic. The Veil Jumpers know about Fen'Harel from the Missing. Varric and Harding filled them in. Perhaps that would explain why Bellara knows about the other gods too. However, I noticed how both Bellara and Davrin knew about that story of Andruil and Mythal, which we only learned from the Temple of Mythal. I suppose it is possible that some Dalish helped the Inquisition explore the ruins and so they read the inscription too, then passed it on. Except I thought the Dalish had grown apart over the years and the reason for the difference in vallaslin, etc, up north was because they have developed differently. Still, clearly my Lavellan's efforts in passing the information on obviously worked, which was surprising because I didn't think everyone would believe them. I was going to ask about the agents of the Dread Wolf. I did ask way back when we first saw the prologue why he didn't have them watching his site. Remember they were meant to be flocking to join him in Trespasser. Did he kill them all off? I suppose that would figure. I'm surprised no one asked though. Perhaps he altered everyone's memories in their dreams. He can do that you know. So everyone from the Inquisition forgot he had followers and his followers forgot they were following him. There you go, job done. Can I be a consultant for Bioware now?
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Post by LawBringerSR2 on Nov 2, 2024 18:46:42 GMT
They removed all nuanced conflicts. Be it the opression of elves, mage vs templar conflict, any compelling politics etc. Its just all black and white now. Rook & co. vs two cartoony evil gods who are worse than Cory And that's why we all love Dragon Age. Black and white. No gray. No nuance or depth. Just point us at the bad guy and we'll save the day! Remember that time the Warden sold a child to a demon for blood magic? ALL my mage characters sell Connor's soul in exchange for demonic sex. That's the DA I like
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 2, 2024 18:48:39 GMT
Harding is around 50 now, right? I don't think she's that old is she? I wouldn't have put her more than 30 during Inquisition, which would make her around 42 now. I looked it up and while no specific age is given you're right that she's not that old. Mid to late 20s in DAI is what I found. I saw people all over the place saying she's around 50 now, so apologies for parroting something wrong. But still. Nobody in their 30s and especially somebody who lived through the events of DAI should talk like that. No ADULT should be talking like this. It's just such bad writing. No excuses.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 19:03:51 GMT
That would completely make me lose interest in her romance, if I played the game. They gave us the first ever dwarven romance, a cool female rogue dwarf no less, only to make her act like a teen. Yikes Oh, so you obviously haven't seen the kiss scene on You Tube. Believe me the letter is just a precursor to further disappointment.
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Post by parsival on Nov 2, 2024 19:05:19 GMT
'Amazon's Rings of Power is to Tolkien fans what Bioware's Veilguard is to Dragon Age fans.' Discuss.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 2, 2024 19:05:40 GMT
I love the world building Spoilers for the first Darvin quest I thought Griffons are extinct! - nuh uh!
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Post by LawBringerSR2 on Nov 2, 2024 19:06:13 GMT
That would completely make me lose interest in her romance, if I played the game. They gave us the first ever dwarven romance, a cool female rogue dwarf no less, only to make her act like a teen. Yikes Oh, so you obviously haven't seen the kiss scene on You Tube. Believe me the letter is just a precursor to further disappointment. I've seen it. The letter was certainly not lying about what to expect
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Post by LawBringerSR2 on Nov 2, 2024 19:09:41 GMT
'Amazon's Rings of Power is to Tolkien fans what Bioware's Veilguard is to Dragon Age fans.' Discuss. Reminds me of a meme I saw on the House of the Dragon reddit. It was the scene of the marital rape of Alicent by Viserys. On Viserys there was the text "House of the Dragon" and on Alicent "House of the Dragon fans"
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 19:10:16 GMT
- Absolutely stinky, ugly hairstyles, especially for dudes What? I heard there were at least 80 hairstyles but perhaps that didn't include Qunari. Mind you I haven't seen a male Rook whose hairstyle really grabbed me but I thought that was because the player had chosen it that way. - The Evanuris absolutely ARE mustache twirling villains like people have said LMAO I gather they make Erimond look positively tame. So, if they are awful, I imagine their lackeys are even worse. Oh for the days of Loghain and the Arishok. Incidentally, speaking of Arishoks, does anyone know what happened to Arishok Sten or is that another case of collective amnesia by the people of Thedas?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 2, 2024 19:12:54 GMT
Please somebody tell me without spoilers that the Neve romance feels like two adults getting it on and not socially awkward teenagers?
Well at least we can't accuse BioWare of misleading people with the Harding romance if it's indeed as bad as her teenager personality in conversations...
So glad I wasn't a Harding mega fan or something. Has anybody seen all romances on YT yet? Can somebody rank them from worst to best written? I know, subjective but I'll take any input.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 19:14:23 GMT
And yes, there is one of those in the game but it is a bloody sidequest, they are as cartoonishly evil as Ghil and Elgar'nan, and it was met with a big shrug that a Forgotten One is around. lol That's answered another question for me then. Which one was it? Did it get out at the same time as the other two or has it been lurking somewhere else all these millennia?
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Post by phoray on Nov 2, 2024 19:15:35 GMT
I gather they make Erimond look positively tame. They make Erimund look smarter. He was written to have taken advantage of the fear and with a lake full of manipulation he turned an entire order of Grey Wardens into a Demon Recruitment assembly line. I literally had no idea I'd consider Erimund to be compliment worthy but the lieutenants of the villains are very dumb so far.
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Post by grallon on Nov 2, 2024 19:16:08 GMT
Please somebody tell me without spoilers that the Neve romance feels like two adults getting it on and not socially awkward teenagers? Well at least we can't accuse BioWare of misleading people with the Harding romance if it's indeed as bad as her teenager personality in conversations... So glad I wasn't a Harding mega fan or something. Has anybody seen all romances on YT yet? Can somebody rank them from worst to best written? I know, subjective but I'll take any input. Come on Kappa, you wanted to experience the horror for yourself! So - take a breath and dive in. You may seize up a little but you'll get used to it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Nov 2, 2024 19:22:06 GMT
It's pretty obvious that they dumbed down the lore on that aspect too. You'd think a Qunari walking around Minrathous would cause some friction, seeing as Tevinter is supposed to be at war with the Antaam, or was anyway. Ssh, I think you were meant to forget that they invaded Tevinter first, even though that was one thing that was in Trespasser rather than later associated books and comics. Also, that attacking Treviso broke the Llomerryn Accord so where in the hell are the southern nations galloping to the rescue of Antiva, particularly considering the Antaam are a break away group from Par Vollen. In fact, where are the Ben'Hassrath kicking their butts as deserters?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Nov 2, 2024 19:32:57 GMT
Outside of Solas, I'm not enjoying the dialogue at all. I read somewhere in this thread that it felt like fanfic, and I think that's the best way to put it. I was enjoying the combat, and was tempted to skip story sequences just to get back to the combat. Harding doesn't feel like a character, just an exposition radio. Most of the companion chatter is just telling you what to do as you traverse. "Oh, there's a turret. We can probably shoot the wall with it". However, playing on Nightmare the enemies are incredibly bullet spongey and now I'm bored. Bored with the combat, 0 interest in the story, I'm just going through the motions. Tomorrow I may check out the difficulty custom settings. If I can drop the health of the enemies while retaining everything else, I'm good with that.
edit// I realized I was doing the combat wrong.... There is charged attack and heavy attack. I'm now enjoying the combat again. With only having 3 active abilities, level progression feels horrible. It's basically just trying to be patient until you unlock your class specialization. With me being 6 hours in, only about 14 hours to go... Too be honest, if the game didn't carry the Dragon Age name, I wouldn't touch it.I mean this with all my heart...but us gamers who are lifelong fans of franchise's have to stop doing this. If the only reason we're buying a product is a name on the box then we're signalling to the company that we have no actual standards. "If it wasn't X, I wouldn't buy it" means you absolutely just shouldn't buy it, because it's not really even X to begin with. Because X was synonimus with high quality.
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Post by fenalaslavellan on Nov 2, 2024 19:35:23 GMT
And yes, there is one of those in the game but it is a bloody sidequest, they are as cartoonishly evil as Ghil and Elgar'nan, and it was met with a big shrug that a Forgotten One is around. lol That's answered another question for me then. Which one was it? Did it get out at the same time as the other two or has it been lurking somewhere else all these millennia? It was Anaris, the one from the story when Fen'Harel tricked him and Andruil. Fen'Harel and the Tree.
And he did not escape but he did imply that Solas' ritual and the two Evanuris escaping weakened his prison.
But he is using a Dalish elf that got bound to him by using one of his artifacts it seems. I don't know the full story yet, the quest probably has a part 2 and I didn't reach that. I'm just disappointed that he is depicted as simply being evil. Red eyes, black smoke, dark armor evil while even sliping through dialogue that he doesn't even see elves as nothing more than slaves. lol
Ssh, I think you were meant to forget that they invaded Tevinter first, even though that was one thing that was in Trespasser rather than later associated books and comics. Also, that attacking Treviso broke the Llomerryn Accord so where in the hell are the southern nations galloping to the rescue of Antiva, particularly considering the Antaam are a break away group from Par Vollen. In fact, where are the Ben'Hassrath kicking their butts as deserters?
I can tell you that there is no Arishok, there is no Ben-Hassarath and the leader of the Qunari is a rando that has a title in english of all things.
Another missed opportunity to have TWO returning characters that could have, Idk, worked together to set the Antaam straight? I'm obviously talking about Zevran and Sten. And if both were dead just use generic crow and generic Arishok.
I saw nothing whatsoever regarding Par Vollen, how the Ariqun and the Arigena are dealing with this and no retaliation whatsoever. It is specially funny because the Ben-Hassarath were dealing with rogue Antaam in Tevinter Nights, but it seems Weekes don't really like his own book? lol
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