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Post by necrowaif on Nov 10, 2024 20:50:34 GMT
I’ll defend Merrill’s quirky mannerisms to the death because she balanced it out with a dark side. I loved the contrast: on one hand, she was this silly girl who was always getting lost, but on the other, she was a wrist-slitting blood mage who was a BEAST in combat encounters.
Bellara has a sad sack backstory, but it doesn’t balance out all the godawful manic pixie dream girl nonsense. Oops! I dropped the priceless artifact again! Aren’t I ZANY?!
Also, while Merrill was, in my eyes, extremely pretty, the artstyle makes Bellara look like a hobgoblin.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 20:53:34 GMT
Plus if you don't romance Emmrich he gets together with...Strife the Veil Jumper for no reason other than "two old men" so you're doing the game a service, lol. I did notice Lucanis has a lot of flirty banter with Neve so I was happy to facilitate it but it did feel a bit like "wow, he has more interest in Neve than the player, it kinda seems". I was happy that we got one canon male/male couple out of this game but... Emmrich x Strife? Really? How did you come up with that? Please.
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 10, 2024 20:58:59 GMT
I was happy that we got one canon male/male couple out of this game but... Emmrich x Strife? Really? How did you come up with that? Please. Smacks of lazy “every character must be paired up” syndrome; they’re both older men so they must be in a relationship. A place for everything and everything in its place!
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 21:04:24 GMT
I was happy that we got one canon male/male couple out of this game but... Emmrich x Strife? Really? How did you come up with that? Please. Smacks of lazy “every character must be paired up” syndrome. A place for everything and everything in its place! More likely it smacks of '' OH MY GOD, we don't have a male/male relationship forming from the companions yet, quick figure out something before we get called homophobes because we have a straight relationship and a quasi-lesbian relationship already!!! Ahhh!!! '' which I would've called them (lol) out of pure spite because I'm annoying like that, but you could smell it from a mile away that they just... quickly tried to even the odds so to speak, just so people don't point it out because Bioware doesn't have a great track record with male/male content and relationships, both in and outside of Dragon Age. Covering their asses, so to speak. Or so it feels.
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 10, 2024 21:07:19 GMT
"People liked Dorian and Iron Bull, right? (Ignore the fact we won't mention it at all in this game.)"
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 10, 2024 21:14:33 GMT
Smacks of lazy “every character must be paired up” syndrome. A place for everything and everything in its place! More likely it smacks of '' OH MY GOD, we don't have a male/male relationship forming from the companions yet, quick figure out something before we get called homophobes because we have a straight relationship and a quasi-lesbian relationship already!!! Ahhh!!! '' which I would've called them (lol) out of pure spite because I'm annoying like that, but you could smell it from a mile away that they just... quickly tried to even the odds so to speak, just so people don't point it out because Bioware doesn't have a great track record with male/male content and relationships, both in and outside of Dragon Age. Covering their asses, so to speak. Or so it feels. Probably true, witchcocktor, but keep in mind they probably also didn’t want to pair Emmerich up with a younger NPC because that might be seen as “problematic.” I mean, if Rook romances Emmerich, that’s the player freely buying into the romance despite the age gap. But if Emmerich were to pair up with, say, Davrin, then that raises questions around the power dynamic.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 21:17:36 GMT
More likely it smacks of '' OH MY GOD, we don't have a male/male relationship forming from the companions yet, quick figure out something before we get called homophobes because we have a straight relationship and a quasi-lesbian relationship already!!! Ahhh!!! '' which I would've called them (lol) out of pure spite because I'm annoying like that, but you could smell it from a mile away that they just... quickly tried to even the odds so to speak, just so people don't point it out because Bioware doesn't have a great track record with male/male content and relationships, both in and outside of Dragon Age. Covering their asses, so to speak. Or so it feels. Probably true, witchcocktor, but keep in mind they probably also didn’t want to pair Emmerich up with a younger NPC because that might be seen as “problematic.” I mean, if Rook romances Emmetich, that’s the player freely buying into the romance despite the age gap. But if Emmerich were to pair up with, say, Davrin, then that raises questions around the power dynamic. You're probably right on that. Hey old dude? Here's another old dude for you to romance! Honestly I thought they would've paired him with Vorgoth instead. That would've been fun.
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Post by theratpack55 on Nov 10, 2024 21:37:02 GMT
Probably true, witchcocktor, but keep in mind they probably also didn’t want to pair Emmerich up with a younger NPC because that might be seen as “problematic.” I mean, if Rook romances Emmetich, that’s the player freely buying into the romance despite the age gap. But if Emmerich were to pair up with, say, Davrin, then that raises questions around the power dynamic. You're probably right on that. Hey old dude? Here's another old dude for you to romance! Honestly I thought they would've paired him with Vorgoth instead. That would've been fun. I made the youngest, most innocent LoF male Rook just to romance Emmrich. Because what you gonna do BW.
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 10, 2024 21:43:53 GMT
I tried to make my Rook look like she was at least in her 30s but the game insists she's young and naive so what are you gonna do I guess.
Side note, would've loved to be able to put grey streaks in my Inquisitor's hair, but it was either full grey or nothing. One point to BG3 (sorry).
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 21:49:45 GMT
You're probably right on that. Hey old dude? Here's another old dude for you to romance! Honestly I thought they would've paired him with Vorgoth instead. That would've been fun. I made the youngest, most innocent LoF male Rook just to romance Emmrich. Because what you gonna do BW. That was my exact same plan, a super young looking male elf to romance Emmrich but... but then I got tired of the completely ass character creation and male elves looking weird as hell and mostly terrible hairstyles, so I just made a qunari dude lol. I've actually spent time in the character creation screen since finishing the game just to soo if I could make a cute elf boy but it's literally impossible. Perhaps with eventual mods it'll be easier. It's certainly easy to make a cute lil' elf guy in Inquisition (with or without mods, really).
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Post by theratpack55 on Nov 10, 2024 22:27:30 GMT
I made the youngest, most innocent LoF male Rook just to romance Emmrich. Because what you gonna do BW. That was my exact same plan, a super young looking male elf to romance Emmrich but... but then I got tired of the completely ass character creation and male elves looking weird as hell and mostly terrible hairstyles, so I just made a qunari dude lol. I've actually spent time in the character creation screen since finishing the game just to soo if I could make a cute elf boy but it's literally impossible. Perhaps with eventual mods it'll be easier. It's certainly easy to make a cute lil' elf guy in Inquisition (with or without mods, really). I would never play as an e*f. BW does them dirty, Zevran looked fine but ever since then it was weird bug-faced, inverted arm muscles no proper animations crap. I stand by my cute human boys.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 22:46:08 GMT
That was my exact same plan, a super young looking male elf to romance Emmrich but... but then I got tired of the completely ass character creation and male elves looking weird as hell and mostly terrible hairstyles, so I just made a qunari dude lol. I've actually spent time in the character creation screen since finishing the game just to soo if I could make a cute elf boy but it's literally impossible. Perhaps with eventual mods it'll be easier. It's certainly easy to make a cute lil' elf guy in Inquisition (with or without mods, really). I would never play as an e*f. BW does them dirty, Zevran looked fine but ever since then it was weird bug-faced, inverted arm muscles no proper animations crap. I stand by my cute human boys. HAH, I do think they've kind of failed with elves, but its the only race giving me the proper tools to actually making something cute! (ignore the picture on the left though, it's an.... unflattering angle LMAO). Veilguard though, they have really made it hard to make something cute. I don't know why the arms are so long and bulky this time around, and why the faces are so... like they are with elves? Though I've seen plenty of hot humans (cute though idk, have to look into it), and making a decent qunari was pretty easy in Veilguard as opposed to Inquisition.
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Post by theratpack55 on Nov 10, 2024 22:58:26 GMT
I would never play as an e*f. BW does them dirty, Zevran looked fine but ever since then it was weird bug-faced, inverted arm muscles no proper animations crap. I stand by my cute human boys. HAH, I do think they've kind of failed with elves, but its the only race giving me the proper tools to actually making something cute! (ignore the picture on the left though, it's an.... unflattering angle LMAO). Veilguard though, they have really made it hard to make something cute. I don't know why the arms are so long and bulky this time around, and why the faces are so... like they are with elves? Though I've seen plenty of hot humans (cute though idk, have to look into it), and making a decent qunari was pretty easy in Veilguard as opposed to Inquisition. That is a good looking e*f, I admit. Maybe I'll look into them in VG eventually, but the lack of any reactivity is turning me off.
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Post by witchcocktor on Nov 10, 2024 23:03:19 GMT
HAH, I do think they've kind of failed with elves, but its the only race giving me the proper tools to actually making something cute! (ignore the picture on the left though, it's an.... unflattering angle LMAO). Veilguard though, they have really made it hard to make something cute. I don't know why the arms are so long and bulky this time around, and why the faces are so... like they are with elves? Though I've seen plenty of hot humans (cute though idk, have to look into it), and making a decent qunari was pretty easy in Veilguard as opposed to Inquisition. That is a good looking e*f, I admit. Maybe I'll look into them in VG eventually, but the lack of any reactivity is turning me off. Well if you ever do, tell me how you managed to make a good looking male elf cuz... damn, I was STRUGGLING. You can make a pretty decent vampire though. And I made an elf that look liked Gaston from Beauty and the Beast... but that's it.
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Post by akots on Nov 11, 2024 0:09:35 GMT
Luality finally finished the game, making an impressions video, which is very well done IMO, probably the best I've seen by this time:
Still waiting for AngryJoe's ramblings, if it's even coming.
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Post by sentinel87 on Nov 11, 2024 0:56:21 GMT
The constant use of "team" and other modern phrases was not good in DAV. I've always loved the way Morigan spoke in DA. But the use of modern language was bad.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Nov 11, 2024 3:00:47 GMT
I’ll defend Merrill’s quirky mannerisms to the death because she balanced it out with a dark side. I loved the contrast: on one hand, she was this silly girl who was always getting lost, but on the other, she was a wrist-slitting blood mage who was a BEAST in combat encounters. Bellara has a sad sack backstory, but it doesn’t balance out all the godawful manic pixie dream girl nonsense. And while Merrill was, in my eyes, extremely pretty, the artstyle makes Bellara look like a hobgoblin. She also had a maturity to her. Sure, she was socially awkward and not used to dealing with everyday people in Thedas, but she knew what humanity was and had a clear and defined goal. She knew how serious her task was and treated it as such. She was an adult who felt real. For good or ill, she spoke up and challenged Hawke and anyone who dared stand between her and dragging her clan kicking and screaming to glory. An actual 'return to form' for the elves. She was not Dora the Explorer babbling about veil bubbles.
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Post by andorvex on Nov 11, 2024 4:37:49 GMT
I think the Merrill Bellara comparison is very worthwhile because they do have tons of similarities. Even so, one of them feels perfectly at home in the DA universe and the other doesn't.
I think Bellara is exactly what you would get if you were to write Merrill today. And it can also serve as a warning to anyone fantasising DAO remake
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Post by yarus on Nov 11, 2024 4:43:14 GMT
Harding and Emmrich are taking a camping trip in Ferelden while most of Southern Thedas are facing a cataclysmic blight that makes the events of DAI/The Mage Templar War/The Orlesian Civil War look like a non event in comparison.
Was there no oversight? Or was John Epler too distracted making hot takes on Bluesky and Twitter to iron out these gaffs?
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Post by yarus on Nov 11, 2024 4:46:18 GMT
I’ll defend Merrill’s quirky mannerisms to the death because she balanced it out with a dark side. I loved the contrast: on one hand, she was this silly girl who was always getting lost, but on the other, she was a wrist-slitting blood mage who was a BEAST in combat encounters. Bellara has a sad sack backstory, but it doesn’t balance out all the godawful manic pixie dream girl nonsense. And while Merrill was, in my eyes, extremely pretty, the artstyle makes Bellara look like a hobgoblin. Merrill's dark side + the sheer amount of suffering she went through in DAO+DA2 made her character work. The hate she got from her clan and pretty much everything with Marathari balanced her High Int + Low Wis character architype. Honestly, she's the only neurodivergent coded character Bioware's ever written that actually worked.
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Post by rocketpineapple on Nov 11, 2024 4:53:52 GMT
Harding and Emmrich are taking a camping trip in Ferelden while most of Southern Thedas are facing a cataclysmic blight that makes the events of DAI/The Mage Templar War/The Orlesian Civil War look like a non event in comparison. Was there no oversight? Or was John Epler too distracted making hot takes on Bluesky and Twitter to iron out these gaffs? That whole segment was the most embarrassing thing to me. I just wanted it over.
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Post by necrowaif on Nov 11, 2024 5:12:03 GMT
“I don’t sleep on roots; I sleep *amidst* the roots! If you do it right, it’s like being cradled! A TREE HUG!” Maker’s Breath, someone was paid actual money to write this drivel.
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Post by fylimar on Nov 11, 2024 7:21:49 GMT
Fun fact: Since it was released DAV has not managed to have a higher daily player count than BG3...a 15 month old game. DAV's peak player count was 4 Nov at 89K+ vs. BG3 at 101K+ - yesterday it was 59K+ vs 96K+ so the gap has only grown. That tells me players would rather do a "10th" playthrough of BG3 than touch DAV. Great job, Bioware "Leads." 10th? More like 20th at this point. Plus I installed DAO again and try to get the game modded. Might do a rerun of the series ( minus Disney DA of course).
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Post by Kappa Neko on Nov 11, 2024 7:29:21 GMT
“I don’t sleep on roots; I sleep *amidst* the roots! If you do it right, it’s like being cradled! A TREE HUG!” Maker’s Breath, someone was paid actual money to write this drivel. I have yet to experience this myself, cannot wait...... Neve, you are my ONLY hope here, don't disappoint me!
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