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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 17, 2024 17:40:27 GMT
I'm not going to like if the end of Veilguard anticipates the others' arrival or possible threat, like ME2 with ME3, but we'll have to wait and see, I guess. Ugh, I can totally see this happening and I HATE it. I want the elven business resolved. If this game is mediocre I do not want to suffer through another mediocre game to get closure on the narrative. Even if I only watch a no commentary PT, that's still too much time wasted. But I kinda need to see it play out and not just read a summary. They really need to wrap this up NOW. And after that maybe switch to the dwarves if they're getting sidelined again. We need to know the titan business. I will not suffer through Veilguard only for BioWare to end stuff on a cliffhanger again because they want to do an elven trilogy and then the studio gets shut down if sales aren't good enough and we're left with no real answers. That would royally pisse off. I need closure on the major mysteries!
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Post by Iakus on Oct 17, 2024 17:52:19 GMT
Heh, I'm having ME3 flashbacks with the spoiler rumors. Good thing I'm not so invested this time around
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Post by helios969 on Oct 17, 2024 17:54:01 GMT
Also he thinks Neve is ugly?! That was the point I shut off the vid thinking the guy is "telling stories" - not that I think she's any kind of great beauty...a 7 tops imo.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 17, 2024 17:56:29 GMT
Sobering potential leaks: -The reason that we're only dealing with two of the Evanuris is sequelbaiting. --Ghilan'nain creates new darkspawn, Elgar'nan enslaves the elves. -Solas is sidelined for the entire game in the Fade, and functions at the final boss at the very, very end of the game. --The endings are based on whether you attempt to kill or redeem Solas. -Taash is nonbinary. Not like a qunari/tal-vashoth/vashoth fantasy term, just nonbinary. -Romances were originally intended to be like Inquisition (locked between genders/sex) but were changed to the pansexual style at some point through development. Straight male romances were restricted to Harding and Neve. -Playtester feedback was ignored and not relayed to the devs/writers. -Davrin is a junior scout for the order, apparently modeled after Alistair's role in Origins -You can't ask Morrigan about her past. -No followup to who leaves Hawke/Alistair/Loghain/etc in the Fade -Varric lives but contributes nothing to the story. He just exists in the Lighthouse/safezone area. Edit: wait, people are already talking about the video lol. Inq will have a minor role in the game. How rook is chosen to be the one leading the fight against the baddies
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Post by themikefest on Oct 17, 2024 17:59:45 GMT
Heh, I'm having ME3 flashbacks with the spoiler rumors. Good thing I'm not so invested this time around If so, I would if dumb dumb shows up to be the one to explain what ending does what.
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Post by The Elder King on Oct 17, 2024 18:10:22 GMT
It is another things that seems weird, honestly, in the sense of the playtester having access to it last year, but people more versed in how playtesting works could probably have a clearer opinion then mine on the matter. Why is that weird to you? Too early? I work in localization so that's different and doesn't really translate well but we do work on unfinished games and finish months before release. If it's a big game then starting as early as a year before release can happen. I would imagine a playtester who's job is finding all kinds of bugs would get hired before localization. And probably still log bugs when localization is finished. The games are often not bug free when we finish with the text side of things. So that part isn't weird to me. As has been pointed out above, the way he talked I would think it's not too difficult to figure out by BioWare who the leaker is. He even gave a time frame for his employment, right? Either he's stupid or it's all bullshit. If he's for real I hope a possible lawsuit was worth talking about things that are mostly known by now, I think? I won't be looking into big story spoilers before release. I want to be surprised by how bad the game might be, lol. It might be the only entertaining thing about it. It just seems weird that he'd have experienced the full totality of the romances in the game, as I don't think he'd have enough time to playtest the whole game multiple times, but again, I'm speaking from a ignorant perspective on the matter, so it could very well be a wrong impression. Heh, I'm having ME3 flashbacks with the spoiler rumors. Good thing I'm not so invested this time around I don't get the same feeling, but I guess it could be because the worst parts of it (personally) are things I sadly expected from the moment they mentioned certain thing, as well as not being as bad as the ME3 situation. On the other hand, while I'm interested in exploring the full elven lore and more, I have some doubt that there'll be a part/main quest of the game as good as the Genophage Arc in ME3. Which is, ironically, an example on how small or medium choices could influence quests and events in later games.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Oct 17, 2024 18:15:06 GMT
It just seems weird that he'd have experienced the full totality of the romances in the game, as I don't think he'd have enough time to playtest the whole game multiple times, but again, I'm speaking from a ignorant perspective on the matter, so it could very well be a wrong impression. Ah, got you. Yes, that does indeed seem unlikely to me as well. Unless the main story is like 14h when you rush it like ME1, but then he wouldn't be doing his job at all.
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Post by grallon on Oct 17, 2024 18:32:18 GMT
Seeing that, and knowing who it comes from, just gives me this sad defeated feeling of - this is what dragon age could, no, actually what SHOULD be. Instead we are getting Veilguard.... That trailer had more pathos and looked all around slicker and more professional than all the footage from ' Ze Veilguard' we've seen. But then again, it was written and is directed by adults rather than activists.
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Post by grallon on Oct 17, 2024 18:47:43 GMT
As has been pointed out above, the way he talked I would think it's not too difficult to figure out by BioWare who the leaker is. He even gave a time frame for his employment, right? Either he's stupid or it's all bullshit. If he's for real I hope a possible lawsuit was worth talking about things that are mostly known by now, I think? I won't be looking into big story spoilers before release. I want to be surprised by how bad the game might be, lol. It might be the only entertaining thing about it. I think he might have been involved at some point, perhaps early in the playtesting phase. He did say he didn't hold back when asked about feedbacks. Perhaps he was cut out of the loop at that point, which may have been months ago - and this could be a grudge thing. Whether or not he is still bound by some legal constraints is another matter - and yes, that would be a stupid move to risk for shock value; but then again, disgruntled people do stupid things all the time... Of course he could also have fabricated most of this, which would explain the vagueness of some of his statements. Regardless, those 'revelations' are pretty much in line with what we can see in the released footage in terms of tone, choices and direction. Remember, the OG fans are no longer the target audience.
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Post by yarus on Oct 17, 2024 20:34:03 GMT
And after that maybe switch to the dwarves if they're getting sidelined again. Dwarves and Qunari are my favorite races in the setting and absolutely nothing I've seen has convinced me they're not gonna pull an Inquisition 2: Electric Boogaloo where they prioritize the elfy stuff first, human stuff second, and have dwarves + qunari be the eternal footnotes of the setting.
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Post by Iakus on Oct 17, 2024 21:21:44 GMT
Heh, I'm having ME3 flashbacks with the spoiler rumors. Good thing I'm not so invested this time around I don't get the same feeling, but I guess it could be because the worst parts of it (personally) are things I sadly expected from the moment they mentioned certain thing, as well as not being as bad as the ME3 situation. On the other hand, while I'm interested in exploring the full elven lore and more, I have some doubt that there'll be a part/main quest of the game as good as the Genophage Arc in ME3. Which is, ironically, an example on how small or medium choices could influence quests and events in later games. Not saying the situations are beat-for-beat the same. Just that Bioware may be once again making "creative" choices that are gonna p*ss off a bunch of their fans. And will likely proceed to try and gaslight them into thinking there's something wrong with them for not liking it. I fully expect such people to be called "a vocal minority". Or worse.
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Post by themikefest on Oct 17, 2024 21:32:08 GMT
I don't get the same feeling, but I guess it could be because the worst parts of it (personally) are things I sadly expected from the moment they mentioned certain thing, as well as not being as bad as the ME3 situation. On the other hand, while I'm interested in exploring the full elven lore and more, I have some doubt that there'll be a part/main quest of the game as good as the Genophage Arc in ME3. Which is, ironically, an example on how small or medium choices could influence quests and events in later games. Not saying the situations are beat-for-beat the same. Just that Bioware may be once again making "creative" choices that are gonna p*ss off a bunch of their fans. And will likely proceed to try and gaslight them into thinking there's something wrong with them for not liking it. I fully expect such people to be called "a vocal minority". Or worse. As you said about ME3 adding refuse, they're giving the player the bird
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Post by Guardian on Oct 18, 2024 2:51:39 GMT
Also he thinks Neve is ugly?! That was the point I shut off the vid thinking the guy is "telling stories" - not that I think she's any kind of great beauty...a 7 tops imo. First off...this is me personally, Neve to me is about a 6 tops (she gives me "Ice Princess" vibes...no thanks). Taking her personality out of the equation, sure, I can see a 7 tops. But having not watched the video, he really called her ugly? I hate to go here, but my guess is he saw her prosthetic leg and immediately said "ugly". Either that, or he just really didn't like her facial structure? Again, just a guess, but it wouldn't surprise me if he based that off the prosthetic Also, did you notice how he maintained he was worried about being identified and then says he was sitting in a room with other play testers and that he was the only one he went "Yey! That's wonderful" when they were told they were testing Dragon Age. So, if that were true, I think it would be pretty obvious who he was. It is more likely that even if he was a play tester he only saw part of the game and then made up the rest. Also he thinks Neve is ugly?! I wouldn't say Neve is Miranda Lawson or Yennefer, but "very ugly"? She and Harding are the only romances I'd be interested in pursuing in this game Out of what females that are available in Veilguard, Harding is my first (and only) choice. Always has been, always will be. I guess since Bellara has been...revealed...if I was forced to choose a non-Harding path, and had to pick a female, I'd go with Neve I guess. The VA just...really felt like they were phoning it in is all.
As for Yennefer, I'd sooner go after Philippa before Yen....talk about a REAL Ice Princess.... With Miranda, I guess I sort of got the appeal? But Miranda softens and changes as you go through the game, showing you she's an actual person, especially once she realizes Cerberus is full of crap. So, I guess I'd give Miranda a shot once. Still kinda bummed Jack wasn't bi. I actually did Jack once, as my default Shep, and it was nice. She's probably one of my favorite LI's for Mass Effect.
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Post by Guardian on Oct 18, 2024 2:51:55 GMT
I'm not going to like if the end of Veilguard anticipates the others' arrival or possible threat, like ME2 with ME3, but we'll have to wait and see, I guess. Ugh, I can totally see this happening and I HATE it. I want the elven business resolved. If this game is mediocre I do not want to suffer through another mediocre game to get closure on the narrative. Even if I only watch a no commentary PT, that's still too much time wasted. But I kinda need to see it play out and not just read a summary. They really need to wrap this up NOW. And after that maybe switch to the dwarves if they're getting sidelined again. We need to know the titan business. I will not suffer through Veilguard only for BioWare to end stuff on a cliffhanger again because they want to do an elven trilogy and then the studio gets shut down if sales aren't good enough and we're left with no real answers. That would royally pisse off. I need closure on the major mysteries! I've already said it before, we're not gonna see the Dwarves (or Qunari for that matter) ever again as we know them. It'll only be "surface dwarves" we encounter, because they don't "come with the extra baggage" is my guess. And after that maybe switch to the dwarves if they're getting sidelined again. Dwarves and Qunari are my favorite races in the setting and absolutely nothing I've seen has convinced me they're not gonna pull an Inquisition 2: Electric Boogaloo where they prioritize the elfy stuff first, human stuff second, and have dwarves + qunari be the eternal footnotes of the setting. The only way the Dwarves and Qunari return are is if they stop being what makes their races "them". For the dwarves, tossing the entire caste system and for the Qunari, pretty much dismantling the Qun. They've already shown the "Qwynari" with Qwydion and I guess Taash (Taash being Non-Binary doesn't really bother me, but...as a qunari? This once again screams of "Qwydion" all over again).
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Post by Guardian on Oct 18, 2024 2:52:17 GMT
Again, for all the valid criticisms thrown at this game, a lot of the hate I see for it is visibly astroturfed fake outrage. Especially on Youtube. The game will either be good or mid. Not the worst thing to stain humanity's legacy because you saw a minority or top surgery scars. The people that consume this ragebait are trapped in a cycle and won't know it until they mentally age a day past 12. Be careful - "valid criticism" is being labeled as "toxic negativity" these days. You're not wrong though; for a lot of the..."usual buzzwords" that get tossed around, there's just as much, if not more, valid criticisms and concerns in this thread than the toxic positivity crowd wants to admit. Sadly, it gets lumped in with those buzzwords because that's all they can see.
I don't know if I'd go so far as to say Veilguard will be good? It'd have to do a lot of heavy lifting and surpassing expectations at this point for me to feel it'd be good. I see it being mid at best (about a 6.5/10, maybe a 6.75/10). However, I do agree it won't be the worst. For as easy a bar to be better than Inquisition is (and shockingly, how it seems to have difficulty clearing it), the bar to do worse than Inquisition is very difficult. So, to say it'll be good is...up to how you want to rate a "good" game. I see it being "okay"; a game to play at least once and then pretty much become forgettable.
Anyway watching someone watch then pause and complain about someone else's opinion isn't my kind of video. But being angry on YouTube is a lucrative cottage industry right now. People love an echo chamber. EDIT: Before anyone thinks it, that isn't aimed at anyone here, just the general paying audience for these channels. Both sides of the same coin, really. Don't care what side they argue from, both extremes are just the same - they want to deny it, but they are.
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Post by Guardian on Oct 18, 2024 3:12:31 GMT
Sobering potential leaks: -The reason that we're only dealing with two of the Evanuris is sequelbaiting. --Ghilan'nain creates new darkspawn, Elgar'nan enslaves the elves. -Solas is sidelined for the entire game in the Fade, and functions at the final boss at the very, very end of the game. At this point, I don't think I care anymore. --The endings are based on whether you attempt to kill or redeem Solas. Kind of already figured that...even tied it into if the Inquisitor dies or not with this one. -Taash is nonbinary. Not like a qunari/tal-vashoth/vashoth fantasy term, just nonbinary. Eh...not really bothered so much, more like just further evidence that we can't have complex nations/races anymore with different ideologies that might cause waves. -Romances were originally intended to be like Inquisition (locked between genders/sex) but were changed to the pansexual style at some point through development. Straight male romances were restricted to Harding and Neve. This would have become Cora 2.0 in regards to Harding...especially with how people were talking about how excited they were for her to be included. -Playtester feedback was ignored and not relayed to the devs/writers. Not surprising.... -Davrin is a junior scout for the order, apparently modeled after Alistair's role in Origins Meh? -You can't ask Morrigan about her past. -No followup to who leaves Hawke/Alistair/Loghain/etc in the Fade What a shock... -Varric lives but contributes nothing to the story. He just exists in the Lighthouse/safezone area. THIS is the only piece of good news regarding all these "leaks". If these are true, which, I'm going to just take with quite a healthy dose of salt, only the one regarding Varric is the only positive one being leaked. The rest are either not surprising or I don't care about.
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Post by ahglock on Oct 18, 2024 3:49:04 GMT
I think he's a fake. Far as I know, the councel people who had access to alpha, only played Act 1. I'm not sure they let random folks play test the later acts. Also, did you notice how he maintained he was worried about being identified and then says he was sitting in a room with other play testers and that he was the only one he went "Yey! That's wonderful" when they were told they were testing Dragon Age. So, if that were true, I think it would be pretty obvious who he was. It is more likely that even if he was a play tester he only saw part of the game and then made up the rest. Also he thinks Neve is ugly?!
I think neve is ugly as well. I don't think any of the women are attractive. they all look weird.
That being said I don't trust this as a valid leak.
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Post by emissaryoflies on Oct 18, 2024 7:54:01 GMT
I can hold them up to any female companion in Mass Effect 2 and any in Dragon Age 2. There is no comparison. The characters more than a decade back blow the Veilguardians out of the water. And I’m not even talking about Miranda and Isabela.
It’s not a deal breaker. It’s just one more thing they can’t seem to square.
Ever notice how the fanart of these characters look so much better than the originals?
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Post by yarus on Oct 18, 2024 8:15:59 GMT
Re: Playtesters vs Community Council
I'm assuming they're two different groups, with the play testers being for QA and feedback (thus having access to the entirety of the game) and the Community Council being a marketing apparatus for a game.
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Oct 18, 2024 8:31:13 GMT
Either this info will be legit once the game comes out, or some of them cause they sound mostly guesses. We knew that taash is non binary, but some people were confused about that. And the interview came after the achievements. It's very easy to guess honestly. Solas as a boss fight was inevitable i knew we will fight him at some point. Isn't the guy on NDA btw? I'm assuming he'll have a big problem if he really worked on the game.
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Post by helios969 on Oct 18, 2024 8:57:43 GMT
We knew that taash is non binary Called that way back when they were revealed and everyone was no, no it's a she...and I was like that's the ugliest woman ever. I'm totally getting a "Crying Game" vibe from Taash...not touching that. Boy what a melt down that would cause.
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Post by fistoffiori on Oct 18, 2024 9:02:34 GMT
I bit and watched about 10 mins last night.
Maybe there were set/defined sexualities in playtesting when it came to romance stuff, but he was very insistent that straight male Rooks only get Neve and Harding, and Lucanis and Emmerich for straight women.
Nuhre tried to correct him on this several times saying that they're all bi/pan though yet he was doubling down haha.
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Post by Gileadan on Oct 18, 2024 9:24:59 GMT
Anyone remember the old leak? Turned out to be pretty accurate, no?
Protagonist named Rook - check Companion named Davrin - check Mission taking place in Weisshaupt - check Everything's purple af - check Controller friendly amount of active skills - check Silly drop kick - check No visible companion control - check
Wouldn't be surprised if "everyone is Marvel levels of quippy" turns out to be true too.
Maybe this guy just played an older version of the game. Unless someone interviews actual employees working on it we'll probably never know.
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Post by Reznore on Oct 18, 2024 9:26:01 GMT
We knew that taash is non binary Called that way back when they were revealed and everyone was no, no it's a she...and I was like that's the ugliest woman ever. I'm totally getting a "Crying Game" vibe from Taash...not touching that. Boy what a melt down that would cause. I doubt there's going to be any penis in game, it's all barbie down there.
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Post by yarus on Oct 18, 2024 9:33:07 GMT
It's just strange that they've spent all these years building up Qunlat and have multiple instances of making exceptions for a woman "becoming" a man:
basalit-an - In Act 2's finale, Fenris expands on the term and claims it means "respected outsider" - and that by becoming one they cease to be female. Aqun-Athlok - Hissrad's word for transmen (which to be fair could be a load of nonsense given his profession)
Just feels like a missed opportunity for Taash of all people to be the resident NB of the group and not either use Qunlat or expand on the jargon that already exists when it comes to gender in the setting
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