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Post by phoray on Aug 19, 2021 7:55:24 GMT
That first pic with Fenris made me sad... doesn't have partners or teammates anymore? As Nunzio explained, Fenris is sad over the breaking of the fellowship from Kirkwall. I must admit the game writers have been very inconsistent over the team from Kirkwall. At the end of DA2 we were told that everyone had left Hawke except their love interest, in my case Fenris. Now that made it sound like the team had broken up from each other as well. Yet we understand from DAI that Averline is still in Kirkwall, as was Varric and he says that Merrill is still there helping the elves, so Fenris could have stayed in Kirkwall too and helped out. Then regardless of whether Hawke angered Sebastian or not, they are able to return to Kirkwall after their trip to Weisshaupt. So that would mean of the old team there was Hawke, Varric, Averline and Merrill still located in Kirkwall. Isabella keeps in touch with Varric too because they made that trip together with Alistair between DA2 and DAI. So apart from Anders, who may or may not be dead, and Hawke sibling, who may or may not be dead, the team is pretty much all there. Yet Fenris felt compelled to head off north, when he didn't seem inclined to do that in any conversation we had before, and then feels depressed and alone after being "abandoned" by his former friends. Seems like he abandoned them rather than the other way around. I dunno the timing, but maybe this is Fenris' "I'm mad at Hawke and shall punish them with the same abandonment they gave me" mission.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2021 8:02:48 GMT
What are we supposed to take from all this exactly? That eluvians can now be used like the mirror in Beauty and the Beast? "Show me......" This is how the idol got from Qarinus/Ventus to Nevarra. According to TN Denarius once again has no heirs. Fenris will be so happy. Marius and Tessa are still in Tevinter: we may meet them there. The Qun now have control of the entire eastern seaboard of Tevinter down as far as Neromenian. Clearly the current Imperium suck at defense since the Qunari never got that far in the Steel/Storm Age. Even back in the early Dragon Age they were able to stop the (fully united) Qun in its tracks when they tried a similar stunt to take Qarinus and north-eastern mainland.
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Post by phoray on Aug 19, 2021 8:04:24 GMT
So he pretty much picked up where we left off in DA2 because there we were constantly fighting slavers from Tevinter in the Freemarches who were preying on the vulnerable. Anyway that would explain why Varric knew to get in touch with Fenris because he was still around in the south near Varric's contacts and may even have touched base with Kirkwall from time to time when in pursuit of his quarry. Now if Fenris had said to Hawke that he thought they ought to focus on protecting the innocent from slavers rather than involving themselves in Warden business and they fell out over it, that would make sense. Hawke might even have made up an excuse in their own mind to explain his absence rather than admit to the real reason. To be honest, I think that would have been a better use of their time than involving themselves in Warden business. After all, it hardly turned out well the first time. Then presumably once the mage/Templar business had been dealt with, maybe the slavers went into retreat and Fenris followed. That would also work for me. Aw, thanks, you fixed it for me. Considering their personalities, having a big argument and seperation by choice of both parties seems much more in line.
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Post by phoray on Aug 19, 2021 8:06:03 GMT
No, .. and may even have touched base with Kirkwall from time to time when in pursuit of his quarry. Now if Fenris had said to Hawke that he thought they ought to focus on protecting the innocent from slavers rather than involving themselves in Warden business and they fell out over it, that would make sense. Hawke might even have made up an excuse in their own mind to explain his absence rather than admit to the real reason. To be honest, I think that would have been a better use of their time than involving themselves in Warden business. After all, it hardly turned out well the first time. Then presumably once the mage/Templar business had been dealt with, maybe the slavers went into retreat and Fenris followed. That would also work for me. I stand corrected, though the larger point is somewhat still in place - he's out fighting, and likely not living in the same house in Kirkwall. He may be more reachable, again depending on where he's fighting. As to why they fell out, that would be a way to smooth over the differences. I think the "unreliable narrator" storytelling device is likely the one in play, because it covers any number of differences (Hawke's views on Blood Magic, their departure from their LI, and anything else that arises). Unfortunately, the Hawke we encounter in DA:I is one who left a love interest behind and then volunteered to be left in the Fade. And since that is the one we see through objective eyes instead of through the narrative Varric is crafting, it's likely to be the real Hawke at play. And that Hawke is risking any romance from DA2 with that behavior (and obviously may die). I have played DA:I several times and never leave Hawke in the Fade. I could never do that to my LI (usually Fenris or Merrill). But I sometimes wonder if I should let Hawke die. Again, I'm not mad like some of you are. . TIL that Nunzio is a Fenris-mancer. All is forgiven :3 PS Hawke gave Fenris a year to sort himself out after he fled from the bedroom. He'll forgive Hawke for this
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Post by phoray on Aug 19, 2021 8:12:14 GMT
well, looks like Solas is back on his bullshit I think his ability to observe the Idol is OP. Or just observe anyone from the Fade. something must be up with that. Otherwise any subterfuge is useless, if he can just show up before the mirror and say: "Geeez, what are ths slackers are doing at this moment?" *Remembers half hour per Inky deciding which outfit looked the best* 😂 Watch me be pretty, baldy. And know your life was wasted.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 19, 2021 13:49:05 GMT
TIL that Nunzio is a Fenris-mancer. All is forgiven :3 PS Hawke gave Fenris a year to sort himself out after he fled from the bedroom. He'll forgive Hawke for this actually...it's 3 years
Fenris actually says this during his Act 3 Question Beliefs quest Fenris: [to Hawke] we never discussed the night that happened between us three years ago Hawke: *shrugging* you didn't want to talk about it
But yeah, both Hawke and Fenris' relationship seems build on them running out on one another and then coming back together, some grumpiness involved and then forgiveness At least that's how I like to picture the relationship between Fenris and my own Hawke
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2021 15:34:58 GMT
Fenris: [to Hawke] we never discussed the night that happened between us three years ago Actually this is why I found it hard to believe Fenris would be so bitter if Hawke took a bit of time out to deal with something that was important to them before getting back together again. I put my romantic life on hold for him for 3 years for goodness sake. Come on Fenris, cut her some slack won't you? Of course, that wasn't the reason given for them being apart in DAI but the rather odd one that Hawke was afraid that Fenris would end up dying for them, as opposed to ending up dying trying to rescue slaves from slavers without them. Plus we spent six years dicing with death together, including that showdown at the end of DA2, where in my case we fought with the mages in face of terrible odds. I don't care how either the Devs or Nunzio try to rationalise this; it just didn't make sense.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 19, 2021 17:01:58 GMT
Fenris: [to Hawke] we never discussed the night that happened between us three years ago Actually this is why I found it hard to believe Fenris would be so bitter if Hawke took a bit of time out to deal with something that was important to them before getting back together again. I put my romantic life on hold for him for 3 years for goodness sake. Come on Fenris, cut her some slack won't you? Of course, that wasn't the reason given for them being apart in DAI but the rather odd one that Hawke was afraid that Fenris would end up dying for them, as opposed to ending up dying trying to rescue slaves from slavers without them. Plus we spent six years dicing with death together, including that showdown at the end of DA2, where in my case we fought with the mages in face of terrible odds. I don't care how either the Devs or Nunzio try to rationalise this; it just didn't make sense. True enough, but most of the comics follow the story that BioWare (or at least the writers of said comics) wants to tell, for example the fact that Isabela is always friends with Varric (whilst she can never have been recruited, left with the tome or Hawke handed her over to the Arishok), or Sebastian who's always on friendly terms with Varric, despite the fact that Anders could be alive making Sebastian an enemy of Hawke's friends (including Varric)...or the that Alistair is always King (and being able to die or being a Warden). Though with Alistair they at least address it slightly if he's a Warden during Here Lies the Abyss.
While I too have a hard time believing Fenris would speak ill of his friends (and potential lover), he (at least imo.) also seems to type to do so in order to keep them safe. Kinda like a reverse thing, badmouthing them whilst actually being fond of them (aka. a tsundere). Head canon wise I think one could picture their Hawke being on that quest with Fenris, or reversely him being with Hawke who traveled to Weisshaupt.
Would've perhaps made more sense to have them appear side by side with Hawke during Inquisition (maybe except for Anders due to the fact Cassandra would've likely killed him on sight), and in that order at least have them die beside them...though that would've left the sibling alone .
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 19, 2021 20:41:16 GMT
Would've perhaps made more sense to have them appear side by side with Hawke during Inquisition It wasn't so much the fact that Fenris wasn't there but the reason for it. I don't understand why the situation for romanced Isabella could be presented so positively with Hawke having no doubt they would be together again, and after all she could hardly take her ship into hiding along with Hawke. Ditto Merrill and Anders. The explanation for their absence made sense. Merrill was helping the elves and Hawke was afraid to bring Anders into close proximity to Corypheus again. So why couldn't they come up with a better reason to leave Fenris behind than simply "I was afraid he might get himself killed defending me"? That is what has always bugged me about it. Not that he wasn't there but the reason they gave for it was so lame.
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Post by LadyofNemesis on Aug 19, 2021 21:10:56 GMT
Would've perhaps made more sense to have them appear side by side with Hawke during Inquisition It wasn't so much the fact that Fenris wasn't there but the reason for it. I don't understand why the situation for romanced Isabella could be presented so positively with Hawke having no doubt they would be together again, and after all she could hardly take her ship into hiding along with Hawke. Ditto Merrill and Anders. The explanation for their absence made sense. Merrill was helping the elves and Hawke was afraid to bring Anders into close proximity to Corypheus again. So why couldn't they come up with a better reason to leave Fenris behind than simply "I was afraid he might get himself killed defending me"? That is what has always bugged me about it. Not that he wasn't there but the reason they gave for it was so lame. I think it was more in the thought of 'Fenris is highly protective of Hawke and will kill anyone who dares to harm them, thus getting himself killed in the process if need be' but yeah, if you look at it side by side with the other romance options, Fenris' reason for not being with Hawke seems like the odd one out.
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Post by phoray on Aug 21, 2021 4:03:47 GMT
What are we supposed to take from all this exactly? That eluvians can now be used like the mirror in Beauty and the Beast? "Show me......" This is how the idol got from Qarinus/Ventus to Nevarra. According to TN Denarius once again has no heirs. Fenris will be so happy. Marius and Tessa are still in Tevinter: we may meet them there. The Qun now have control of the entire eastern seaboard of Tevinter down as far as Neromenian. Clearly the current Imperium suck at defense since the Qunari never got that far in the Steel/Storm Age. Even back in the early Dragon Age they were able to stop the (fully united) Qun in its tracks when they tried a similar stunt to take Qarinus and north-eastern mainland. So, narratively, what is the benefit of Tevinter sucking right now? Large swaths of Tevinter being unreachable and unexplorable due to enemy troops? Reduced what they're going to allow us to see of what is a massive country. Isabella being more on the table? If sea travel is a thing, since we'll need someone we can trust to get us through war torn eastern waters. The war makes lyrium way more expensive? So more idiots turn to the red stuff growing all over the place? Tevinter in a weaker position so the T vs Q decision makes more sense? T wouldn't make a deal with PC unless they're desperate, but they also honestly look like the weakest militarily right now. So if we need numbers to fight the.... actually, I dunno what army Solas has, an army of disenfranchised city elves doesn't actually sound that impressive. Unless he drops the veil and they all get magic, but then everyone gets magic so that doesn't change the field in their favor exactly. Why does Bioware want Tevinter to suck more at this war, when there could just be a backdrop of war in the east that diverts their leaders and forces enough without losing half the country? They seem to want the war to reach Minrathous gates level of bad? Ps maybe Solas can only view the idle through the mirror. The only time we've seen it, he's been tracking this elven relic
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Post by necrowaif on Aug 21, 2021 4:29:43 GMT
I suspect Tevinter is in a bad spot right now for the same reason that Orlais was in a bad spot during DAI; if the PC helps them out of their dire straits, then Tevinter becomes willing to help the PC.
Also, the threat isn’t really that small army of elves, but the ultra-powerful elven sorceror leading them.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 21, 2021 8:17:49 GMT
Large swaths of Tevinter being unreachable and unexplorable due to enemy troops? Reduced what they're going to allow us to see of what is a massive country. Possibly there is going to be somewhere we need to get to behind enemy lines. A large group would not be able to accomplish this; it will need just a small, crack team who are prepared to take the risk and achieve a successful outcome. Likely destination: Arlathan Forest Isabella being more on the table? If sea travel is a thing, since we'll need someone we can trust to get us through war torn eastern waters. The current state of Tevinter could well necessitate a floating base of operations. No point in having a fixed based on land that is likely to be overrun by Qunari at any time. Mind you, that would ignore the fact that the Qun have an impressive navy too and the only way Isabella could reach the Nocen Sea is round via the northern passage and then through the Ventosus Straits. With the Antaam holding both Seheron and Qarinus/Ventus, it would be easy enough for them to blockade this stretch of water. Still, may be Isabella got trapped the wrong side of the blockade in the Nocen Sea, which is why she would feel she has nothing to lose in helping the PC. The war makes lyrium way more expensive? So more idiots turn to the red stuff growing all over the place? I can definitely see the writers using this one in some way. It would seem the Venatori must have some sort of red lyrium farm somewhere if they have so much of the stuff that one of their members could use it for totally frivolous non military purposes. However, I wonder if the supply of ordinary lyrium could be part of a plot we get involved in and that is why we end up in Kal-Sharok. Think about it, according to what we have been told, the Ambassadoria ensure the supply of lyrium to Tevinter but they are linked to Orzammar, who were apparently unaware that Kal-Sharok had survived until they were "rediscovered" during the Dragon Age. This is again one of those instances of ignorance that seems hard to swallow. Kal-Sharok are much nearer to Tevinter, so even if they lost contact with Orzammar, why didn't they maintain contact with Tevinter? However, if that was the case, why didn't word get out about their continued existence? Hopefully we will get some answers next game. One way or another, whether it is connected with the supply of ordinary lyrium or how to cleanse the world of the red stuff, or something else entirely, I think we are going to go to Kal-Sharok. Tevinter in a weaker position so the T vs Q decision makes more sense? I really can't think where they are going to go with this or why Tevinter had to make such a pathetic defense of the eastern side of the Imperium. Even if Minrathous was ignoring the situation, the east would have its own regional government and military forces. It is one thing having such forces overwhelmed without backing from the capital but from what we have seen in the comics they didn't even do that much. Qarinus fell in a matter of hours. Back in 9:11 it never fell at all and the (fully unified) Qunari forces suffered a humiliating defeat. I know Trespasser said Tevinter was weakened by infighting in the Magisterium but I find it hard to swallow that no defense was mounted at all. They knew an attack was imminent; people were trying to get passage out of Qarinus as a result, yet Dorian, who is a Magister and this was his home city so he had authority there, spent his time hanging out in a bar with Inquisition Agents instead of organising the city defenses, etc. They seem to want the war to reach Minrathous gates level of bad? I don't find the rapid fall of eastern Tevinter very convincing and if the idea is to quickly bring the Antaam to the gate of Minrathous for plot purposes then they clearly decided to sacrifice realism for convenience. Actually, this wouldn't require the fall of the eastern seaboard but simply drawing off enough of the defenses to the east and then besieging Minrathous by land and sea. That would be easy enough bearing in mind the city is on an island reached by a single causeway. I seem to recall the Qun did this back in the Steel/Storm Age without success, since Minrathous has never fallen to an enemy force. Of course, back then the Qun took everyone by surprise, which is how they made inroads so quickly across the north. This time round, Tevinter has been keeping them under constant surveillance, so there was absolutely no excuse for what happened with Qarinus. Ps maybe Solas can only view the idle through the mirror. The only time we've seen it, he's been tracking this elven relic I don't know why they saw fit to introduce this new threat concerning eluvians, particularly as for a Dreamer it should be unnecessary. Does this indicate that may be whatever Solas is up to with his ritual has blocked his connection with the Fade in some way? Remember how he said that was why he didn't use blood magic personally? So may be his ritual involves blood magic or some other magic that weakens your connection with the Fade; void magic perhaps? He did say to a romanced Lavellan that he did not want her to see what he must become (to achieve his aim). Or possibly he has become separated from his alter ego, the Dread Wolf, which is the aspect of him that prowls the Fade. Anyway, if he now has to rely on eluvians rather than the Fade to see what is going on in the world, that is a weakness he didn't have before that we could exploit. I must admit I wonder if confronting the Dread Wolf in the Fade and defeating it, will have something to do with how we ultimately either redeem or kill Solas.
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Post by phoray on Aug 21, 2021 13:26:22 GMT
I suspect Tevinter is in a bad spot right now for the same reason that Orlais was in a bad spot during DAI; if the PC helps them out of their dire straits, then Tevinter becomes willing to help the PC. Also, the threat isn’t really that small army of elves, but the ultra-powerful elven sorceror leading them. Solas is using the war as a distraction for his true purpose, so I didn't see him joining the war efforts ever.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2021 20:54:21 GMT
The current state of Tevinter could well necessitate a floating base of operations. No point in having a fixed based on land that is likely to be overrun by Qunari at any time. Mind you, that would ignore the fact that the Qun have an impressive navy too and the only way Isabella could reach the Nocen Sea is round via the northern passage and then through the Ventosus Straits. With the Antaam holding both Seheron and Qarinus/Ventus, it would be easy enough for them to blockade this stretch of water. Still, may be Isabella got trapped the wrong side of the blockade in the Nocen Sea, which is why she would feel she has nothing to lose in helping the PC. what if the flying boat is run by Isabella and this brings her in but also helps us avoid all the Qunari Army again.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Aug 29, 2021 22:14:43 GMT
If DA4's main base of operations is on a pirate ship at sea, then that makes 2 recent RPG sequels where the main base is on a pirate ship. The other being Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire.
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Post by phoray on Aug 29, 2021 23:18:30 GMT
If DA4's main base of operations is on a pirate ship at sea, then that makes 2 recent RPG sequels where the main base is on a pirate ship. The other being Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire. But in the aiiiiiir
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 30, 2021 9:05:56 GMT
We know it is possible from Last Flight with the aravels; it is just a case of scaling it up. You just need sufficient levitation magic to get it air-borne and then use the sails or some sort of propeller once we are up there. There is even a magic spell within the universe (Core Rule Book) called Wind Weaving that is specifically meant to allow moving a ship when the weather won't oblige and conversely calm down the wind when it is proving too strong. So it doesn't require anything lore breaking for them to achieve this and is actually much more in keeping with the established world than time travel was. Hence me suggesting on another thread, about upgrading your base of operations, that we could start off with a ship on the ocean but then do a quest to find the necessary items to make it air-borne. I also seem to recall there was a section in Jade Empire where you flew an air ship. Plus in the first ever KOTOR I recall engaging in combat whilst on board our space ship. So it is not as though Bioware have never done these things before and I imagine the flying codes from Anthem could help with this as well in order to get it to work with Frostbite. We have had concept art of floating aravels, so it will be surprising and somewhat disappointing if some sort of floating base doesn't become part of the plot of DA4.
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Post by Black Magic Ritual on Sept 9, 2021 0:14:51 GMT
Seriously craving a new comic from Nunzio and Christina already, how long was the drought from Blue Wraith and Dark Fortress?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 9, 2021 0:26:37 GMT
Seriously craving a new comic from Nunzio and Christina already, how long was the drought from Blue Wraith and Dark Fortress? About a year, but Dark Fortress as far as they know is the last DA comic they’re doing. At least until after DA4.
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Post by yarus on Sept 11, 2021 1:01:25 GMT
I really hope someone at Bioware, or EA, contracts Nunzio, Christina, or some other talented writer to make another comic. I don't care of its Solas related (personally, I think having a comic being main story adjacent is the worst possible thing you could do)----maybe a story about what's happening between Orlais and Nevarra, maybe a story based on Sebastian's invasion of Kirkwall, maybe a story set in the Grand Necropolis. So much of the lore is already there, it's just a matter of taking account of everything and making a new story on those foundations. Probably wont happen, but I hope it does.
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Post by fluffysmom on Sept 27, 2021 18:01:52 GMT
Aw, thanks, you fixed it for me. Considering their personalities, having a big argument and seperation by choice of both parties seems much more in line. I could be very mistaken on this as I don’t own the comic and just saw panels from it but I thought I spied the corner of an Eluvian in one, up above where the characters were talking. It looked kinda hidden. Edit: Quoted the wrong person. Sorry. Been that kinda day. lol
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 27, 2021 20:26:29 GMT
I really hope someone at Bioware, or EA, contracts Nunzio, Christina, or some other talented writer to make another comic. I don't care of its Solas related (personally, I think having a comic being main story adjacent is the worst possible thing you could do)----maybe a story about what's happening between Orlais and Nevarra, maybe a story based on Sebastian's invasion of Kirkwall, maybe a story set in the Grand Necropolis. So much of the lore is already there, it's just a matter of taking account of everything and making a new story on those foundations. Probably wont happen, but I hope it does. I'd keep my expectation for anything DA4 related, before July 2022, low, to be honest.
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