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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 8, 2021 18:06:29 GMT
It just that when you get into the level of redundancy I would so desire the price to desire ratio is far to high.
How is that any more expensive than this? Let me be more specific though: I currently have about 10 TB of the exact same data stored in 6 to 7 different places.
Same videos, same music, same games ect. What hurt my brain was thinking on the current state of the backups of each one all at the same time.
Because that is already setup -or not. My off-site locations have no power nor internet. I bring them back here to use them and return them when done. Hint: Off-site number one is the second story of the barn of my childhood home.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 8, 2021 18:07:07 GMT
I think one of us goofed or at least I know I have. I was referring to the hard drives for my main system not the drives for my backup. My back up you can understand is quite thorough. The characteristic of NAS that always makes me shun it is the always on state and the internet setup. I don't like backups connected to the internet nor always being on. My backups are in a powered off state unless restoring or backing up and NEVER internet active. Personally the whole system MUST BE disconnected from the internet when restoring or backing up.
When you get hacked, ransomed and or virus's when backing up by the internet being active -you learn not to. Granted that was a long time ago -you never forget the loss of data -even in the back up.
So I swore then and now: Never again.
Now I understand it for the those who back up data a little bit at a time. I have no problem setting aside days to back up EVERYTHING. Take some leave time and use it to back up data is fine with me. I have no social life so its not a problem for me. 
Sorry for the confusion.
I don't think you understands how NAS works. NAS means network-attached storage. It's connected to your home network. So any computers or supported devices on your local network can access it. You don't need internet connection at all. Maybe I don't.
Though this local area network part makes me believe I do. Its for the most part a server hub where all data is stored but constantly running. Computers in the home network connect to it when told to by a user when they need to store or receive data.
Like an octopus being the NAS hub with the tentacles ending at the different computers in the network.
This doesn't concern me IF its an isolated system -I have no problems with that. But IF even one computer has internet access then there is a chance for ransomware attacks against the NAS directly. And these ransomware attacks are rising lately just look at the recent Gigabyte attack -who do use NAS storage.
I believe that no backup should be able to be attacked so must always be isolated and kept away from internet capability.
The other part that makes me against most NAS: Its always ON. Which I don't believe should be the standard operating procedure for backup and storage. The longer a drive runs the shorter its life span.
Which for storage -at least in my eyes is a no no. And since we are talking backups here that is not viable long term storage: to be always on.
For instance I still l have a 700MB ATA hard drive from 1996 or so with music backed up on it that still works. It surely would have died by now if in a system or a NAS.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 8, 2021 18:17:49 GMT
Because that is already setup -or not. My off-site locations have no power nor internet. I bring them back here to use them and return them when done. Hint: Off-site number one is the second story of the barn of my childhood home. What I mean is in order to back up 10TB worth of data in seven different places means you need to buy at least seven 10TB HDDs for that. That already costs way more than having a simple NAS for your home, but let me explain it again. If you really care about your data, just imagine having a RAID 1 or RAID 5 on your main PC. That means you already have a system that could easily prevent data loss from a HDD failure before you even start to manually back up your data. That serves as your first line of defense. See what I mean?
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 8, 2021 18:23:04 GMT
Computers in the home network connect to it when told to by a user when they need to store or receive data.
Like an octopus being the NAS hub with the tentacles ending at the different computers in the network. This doesn't concern me IF its an isolated system -I have no problems with that. But IF even one computer has internet access then there is a chance for ransomware attacks against the NAS directly. And these ransomware attacks are rising lately just look at the recent Gigabyte attack -who do use NAS storage.
I believe that no backup should be able to be attacked so must always be isolated and kept away from internet capability.
The other part that makes me against most NAS: Its always ON. Which I don't believe should be the standard operating procedure for backup and storage. The longer a drive runs the shorter its life span. Which for storage -at least in my eyes is a no no. And since we are talking backups here that is not viable long term storage: to be always on.
For instance I still l have a 700MB ATA hard drive from 1996 or so with music backed up on it that still works. It surely would have died by now if in a system or a NAS.
Haha, the thing is you can configure your setup however you want it. If you don't want your NAS to have internet access, you can simply restrict WAN access on your NAS' IP with your router and you can do that through setting up a firewall. If you don't want it to connect to your local network, you can simply connect it directly to your PC via a crossover ethernet cable. If you don't want your NAS to be on all the time, you can just turn it off when you don't need it. You have a lot of freedom to do whatever you want. It's not all black and white. Also you know very well that you are not supposed to use just any HDDs in your NAS. I know this because I see you talk about enterprise class HDDs like the Seagate Exos drives. Those are the kind of HDDs that you use in an NAS.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 8, 2021 19:10:30 GMT
Because that is already setup -or not. My off-site locations have no power nor internet. I bring them back here to use them and return them when done. Hint: Off-site number one is the second story of the barn of my childhood home. What I mean is in order to back up 10TB worth of data in seven different places means you need to buy at least seven 10TB HDDs for that. That already costs way more than having a simple NAS for your home, but let me explain it again. If you really care about your data, just imagine having a RAID 1 or RAID 5 on your main PC. That means you already have a system that could easily prevent data loss from a HDD failure before you even start to manually back up your data. That works as your first line of defense. See what I mean? Note the way I back up I get more storage space with 2x2TB, 2x1TB & 2x3TB than a single 10 TB drive would: 2x2TB, 2x1TB & 2x3TB =13036 GB 10TB =9,313 GB
All-in all for backup storage that would only cost me about $300 for each location and not all once. Should I choose to update the storage anytime soon.
Getting a SINGLE 10 TB drive that is $300+ that could crash and die.
At least with this method if something failed on drive one drive two or three would still function. Furthermore I can purchase those over time if need be and not all at once so that 300 price can be half-fed before next paycheck.
I should also say these drives are all separate and unpowered and only put into a docking station when backing up or restoring.
Please do keep in mind that I have been building my back ups for over 20 years. Any drive I get done with in my daily driver system gets moved over to a being a backup drive.
So granted not every drive in my backups is new.
Though I never have used IronWolf, Exos,Red, Purple or Ultrastar in my backups.
But I do have a list of what is what and where so I know how long a drive is in use before needing replacement. Or I could just Crystal Disk analyzer to when a Drive needs replacing.
All this said I think I see our issue here...
You like autonomous active backup...
I LIKE to manually and personally back up my data -as unpowered as possible.
I guess you could say I use a literal MANUAL NAS. If that makes sense -most of what I am saying probably isn't. Which is me I don't communicate it well.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 8, 2021 19:11:50 GMT
Computers in the home network connect to it when told to by a user when they need to store or receive data.
Like an octopus being the NAS hub with the tentacles ending at the different computers in the network. This doesn't concern me IF its an isolated system -I have no problems with that. But IF even one computer has internet access then there is a chance for ransomware attacks against the NAS directly. And these ransomware attacks are rising lately just look at the recent Gigabyte attack -who do use NAS storage.
I believe that no backup should be able to be attacked so must always be isolated and kept away from internet capability.
The other part that makes me against most NAS: Its always ON. Which I don't believe should be the standard operating procedure for backup and storage. The longer a drive runs the shorter its life span. Which for storage -at least in my eyes is a no no. And since we are talking backups here that is not viable long term storage: to be always on.
For instance I still l have a 700MB ATA hard drive from 1996 or so with music backed up on it that still works. It surely would have died by now if in a system or a NAS.
Haha, the thing is you can configure your setup however you want it. If you don't want your NAS to have internet access, you can simply restrict WAN access on your NAS' IP with your router and you can do that through setting up a firewall. If you don't want it to connect to your local network, you can simply connect it directly to your PC via a crossover ethernet cable. If you don't want your NAS to be on all the time, you can just turn it off when you don't need it. You have a lot of freedom to do whatever you want. It's not all black and white. Also you know very well that you are not supposed to use just any HDDs in your NAS. I know this because I see you talk about enterprise class HDDs like the Seagate Exos drives. Those are the kind of HDDs that you use in an NAS. We shall agree to disagree. The Seagate Exos are the drives I am using for my main system that I am still building not a NAS nor Offline storage.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 8, 2021 19:18:58 GMT
All this said I think I see our issue here...
You like autonomous active backup...
I LIKE to manually and personally back up my data. I guess you could say I use a literal MANUAL NAS. If that makes sense -most of what I am saying probably isn't. Which is me I don't communicate it well.
No, I actually use my NAS to manually back up my files. It isn't done automatically. The volumes just show up as network drives like any normal HDDs and I just simply copy and paste the files that I want to back up. It's that easy. On my main PC, I'm reusing my old 4TB WD Black drives on RAID 10 with AMD's built-in RAID. That's my storage.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 8, 2021 19:25:04 GMT
We shall agree to disagree. The Seagate Exos are the drives I am using for my main system that I am still building not a NAS nor Offline storage. Haha, I mean those Seagate Exos HDDs are specifically made for servers and NAS. So I guess you don't disagree about using them in an NAS instead of any old HDDs. That was my point. For instance I still l have a 700MB ATA hard drive from 1996 or so with music backed up on it that still works. It surely would have died by now if in a system or a NAS.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 8, 2021 21:21:44 GMT
We shall agree to disagree. The Seagate Exos are the drives I am using for my main system that I am still building not a NAS nor Offline storage. Haha, I mean those Seagate Exos HDDs are specifically made for servers and NAS. So I guess you don't disagree about using them in an NAS instead of any old HDDs. That was my point. For instance I still l have a 700MB ATA hard drive from 1996 or so with music backed up on it that still works. It surely would have died by now if in a system or a NAS. Yes you can use them in a NAS. I won't be however. They are much better for the strain I am going to be putting them under to be in my main system. 24/365/7 editing video, audio, music and playing games and watching movies at the same time. Not to mention encoding audio and video along with encoding movies at the same time as gaming. As I said Western Digital BLK don't cut it anymore and I am pretty sure they would break with my increased workload. I mean my pathetic FX system locks up on it but then again so does the other Ryzen 3600 here.
Both systems using WD BLK -probably a Ram issue though -one has 24 the other 16 -still... man I want this system built.
I know about the Exos pulling the most wattage and with at least six running that is why I am getting these: To put at the base of each hard drive to cool them.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 8, 2021 21:22:00 GMT
All this said I think I see our issue here...
You like autonomous active backup...
I LIKE to manually and personally back up my data. I guess you could say I use a literal MANUAL NAS. If that makes sense -most of what I am saying probably isn't. Which is me I don't communicate it well.
No, I actually use my NAS to manually back up my files. It isn't done automatically. The volumes just show up as network drives like any normal HDDs and I just simply copy and paste the files that I want to back up. It's that easy. On my main PC, I'm reusing my old 4TB WD Black drives on RAID 10 with AMD's built-in RAID. That's my storage. Ok not automatic... semi-automatic.  I prefer taking the back up drive hard wire connecting it to the computer. Getting the computer to register it. Giving it a letter then transfer over the data to be backed up. Once done remove it from the system and put it back into non powered storage.
More manual I know but the classics haven't failed me yet.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 8, 2021 22:08:36 GMT
Ok not automatic... semi-automatic. I prefer taking the back up drive hard wire connecting it to the computer. Getting the computer to register it. Giving it a letter then transfer over the data to be backed up. Once done remove it from the system and put it back into non powered storage.
More manual I know but the classics haven't failed me yet.
Just showing you that there are easier, far more convenient, reliable, and elegant solutions for backing up your data and preventing data loss. I know you're saying "if it isn't broken, don't fix it." However, you really shouldn't just completely dismiss NAS and RAID. It's always a good idea to have open options especially when it comes to protecting important data. So do your research and try to understand how they work. Especially for RAID like RAID 1 and RAID 5. It is probably the most useful tech that I'd ever recommend to anyone and more people should take advantage of it (because odds are their motherboards already have it).
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 8, 2021 22:30:23 GMT
I know about the Exos pulling the most wattage and with at least six running that is why I am getting these: To put at the base of each hard drive to cool them.
Oh, the Vantec PCI slot cooler. I actually used the exact same cooler for my Win 98SE build to cool the Voodoo 3.   I bought it like almost 20 years ago for my Radeon 9700 Pro and kind of just kept it in the storage after that. I couldn't believe that I still had it and still managed to put it to good use. I don't know how you're gonna use them to cool your HDDs though.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 8, 2021 23:08:27 GMT
I know about the Exos pulling the most wattage and with at least six running that is why I am getting these: To put at the base of each hard drive to cool them.
Oh, the Vantec PCI slot cooler. I actually used the exact same cooler for my Win 98SE build to cool the Voodoo 3. [img src="https://i.imgur.com/JlCoyg9.jpg" style="max-width:40%;" [img src="https://i.imgur.com/MC0kD3F.jpg" style="max-width:40%;" I bought it like almost 20 years ago for my Radeon 9700 Pro and kind of just kept it in the storage after that. I couldn't believe that I still had it and still managed to put it to good use. I don't know how you're gonna use them to cool your HDDs though. Take this and turn it horizontal and lengthwise and either zip tie it to the case housing or the hard drive housing: 
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 8, 2021 23:27:07 GMT
Also this is why I need so many fans for my graphics card: This fan config for some reason seems to cool very efficiently. Though I do make the modification of putting the bottom fans directly against the GPU.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 8, 2021 23:40:17 GMT
Take this and turn it horizontal and lengthwise and either zip tie it to the case housing or the hard drive housing: Interesting. I'd love to see how that works on your PC case.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 9, 2021 0:04:54 GMT
Take this and turn it horizontal and lengthwise and either zip tie it to the case housing or the hard drive housing: Interesting. I'd love to see how that works on your PC case. Yeah just hope I don't end up with a zip-tie nightmare:
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Sept 9, 2021 1:41:55 GMT
Meanwhile the price of the 30 series cards here in Canada at Canada Computers has jumped to as much as 3000.00 for some models (not all the 90s but evens ome 70s and 80s) Used to be the the most expensive was the 3090 FTW 3 Ultra Gaming at 2499.99......Now some of the 3080s are up to between 2699 and 3000.00 CAD
And still they are not anywhere in stock.
They might as well be 20,000 dollars because at this rate by the time they actually get onto the shelves they will be outdated. I wasn't joking when I posted earlier about preparing to have the 6090 TIs on the shelves, and still the 30 series was not available.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 9, 2021 2:13:35 GMT
Meanwhile the price of the 30 series cards here in Canada at Canada Computers has jumped to as much as 3000.00 for some models (not all the 90s but evens ome 70s and 80s) Used to be the the most expensive was the 3090 FTW 3 Ultra Gaming at 2499.99......Now some of the 3080s are up to between 2699 and 3000.00 CAD I actually got another email notification just a couple days ago from EVGA regarding the RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra being in stock for $1400 USD. I asked everyone that I knew but no one wanted it, so I had to let that one go. I was pretty sad especially considering that card was going for at least $1800 USD on eBay. I just hope it went to someone who really wanted to use it for gaming and didn't end up on eBay. The GPU shortage might or might not improve but the prices will definitely go up due to the increased silicon material cost.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 9, 2021 4:02:45 GMT
Meanwhile the price of the 30 series cards here in Canada at Canada Computers has jumped to as much as 3000.00 for some models (not all the 90s but evens ome 70s and 80s) Used to be the the most expensive was the 3090 FTW 3 Ultra Gaming at 2499.99......Now some of the 3080s are up to between 2699 and 3000.00 CAD I actually got another email notification just a couple days ago from EVGA regarding the RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra being in stock for $1400 USD. I asked everyone that I knew but no one wanted it, so I had to let that one go.I was pretty sad especially considering that card was going for at least $1800 USD on eBay. I just hope it went to someone who really wanted to use it for gaming and didn't end up on eBay. The GPU shortage might or might not improve but the prices will definitely go up due to the increased silicon material cost. You say this NOW!
We could have used that GP... wait... Oh who am I kidding none of us could even of afford it at that price. Nor should any of us have too.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 9, 2021 4:04:12 GMT
Meanwhile the price of the 30 series cards here in Canada at Canada Computers has jumped to as much as 3000.00 for some models (not all the 90s but evens ome 70s and 80s) Used to be the the most expensive was the 3090 FTW 3 Ultra Gaming at 2499.99......Now some of the 3080s are up to between 2699 and 3000.00 CAD And still they are not anywhere in stock. They might as well be 20,000 dollars because at this rate by the time they actually get onto the shelves they will be outdated. I wasn't joking when I posted earlier about preparing to have the 6090 TIs on the shelves, and still the 30 series was not available. Yes. I think its best to wait for the 6000 series.
Or whatever I may actually look at a 2070 super -not sure about those or their prices.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Sept 9, 2021 4:16:42 GMT
At least with this I can focus on the other essentials right now while prices still are mad on GPU's, Hard Drives and again on CPU's. Since we established I am going need an actual 5.1 surround audio system and not headphones... I am trying to find a 5.1 Surround sound system for $100-$200 that is good and reliable. One that is actually worth it and will fit that cheap USB DAC I am using -ironically its from Vantec too. Logitech Z506 is current audio but can't find it unused -which is unexceptionable.
Reason having to look is the Z506 has two speakers that only work laying down and subwoofer is going flat. Started two days ago.
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Post by rewindbutton on Sept 9, 2021 14:37:50 GMT
For me that 70 TB would need to be backed on EVERY drive. I currently have about 10 TB of the exact same data stored in 6 to 7 different places. Then have it happen to your backup I have multiple drives fail at the same time in my case would need the mirrored drive to be mirrored and that be mirrored and all of that to be cloned too. I have 5 off-site backups I don't like backups connected to the internet I have no problem setting aside days to back up EVERYTHING. My off-site locations have no power nor internet.I have been building my back ups for over 20 years. I use a literal MANUAL NAS. I prefer taking the back up drive hard wire connecting it to the computer. I'm finally beginning to see the big picture here. You are brute-forcing backups, and for an understandable reason. However..
If you want to follow the white rabbit, there's only one solution: Learn the ways of the force and take the red pill. 
Yes, you have to start learning Linux. Configure your own backup rig, or several. Off-site, on-site, internet or no, power or no power, (battery, obviously) cheap, expensive, it's all up to you. I don't even begin to fathom what kind of system would suit you best. Possibly a combination of old desktops and laptops in different locations. They could be just basic PCs with lots of drives, with or without RAID. Maybe complete with a semi-portable file server, and perhaps a truly portable device to go with it.
Why Linux? Because it doesn't need internet; no activation, registration etc. It's also super stable and built to handle data day in day out. Or not, as it might be in your case.
I honestly don't see any other viable solutions for your situation. In computing, there's always a way, but sometimes it's a long way. 
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Post by rewindbutton on Sept 9, 2021 14:41:48 GMT
I actually got another email notification just a couple days ago from EVGA regarding the RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra being in stock for $1400 USD. Damn, that's a good price! Sadly I can't cough up anything like that atm. |
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Post by bmwcrazy on Sept 9, 2021 18:04:06 GMT
Damn, that's a good price! Sadly I can't cough up anything like that atm. It's a decent price though the regular RTX 3080 is still the most sought after GPU, because the 3080 Ti basically costs $500 more and it isn't that much faster than the 3080. I signed up for EVGA's email notifications for the RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra all the way back in October last year and I'm still waiting for it. That's almost a year ago. If you care about the resell value, you should keep in mind that newer cards (except for the 3090) all have the hash rate limiter. So they are worth just a bit less on the second hand market. I really hope that both Nvidia and AMD bring the truly entry level/midrange GPUs back because as for now, the $300 GPU market is pretty much dead. The RTX 3060 and the RX 6600 both cost between $450 to $500. The RTX 3060 Ti costs about $580 to $600. That's only if you could get extremely lucky and find them in stock at MSRP.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Sept 9, 2021 18:53:52 GMT
Meanwhile the price of the 30 series cards here in Canada at Canada Computers has jumped to as much as 3000.00 for some models (not all the 90s but evens ome 70s and 80s) Used to be the the most expensive was the 3090 FTW 3 Ultra Gaming at 2499.99......Now some of the 3080s are up to between 2699 and 3000.00 CAD I actually got another email notification just a couple days ago from EVGA regarding the RTX 3080 Ti FTW3 Ultra being in stock for $1400 USD. I asked everyone that I knew but no one wanted it, so I had to let that one go. I was pretty sad especially considering that card was going for at least $1800 USD on eBay. I just hope it went to someone who really wanted to use it for gaming and didn't end up on eBay. The GPU shortage might or might not improve but the prices will definitely go up due to the increased silicon material cost. Oh, Dude! If only you could have sent that to me up here in the Great White North! I would have totally jumped on that!
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