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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 6, 2023 16:38:31 GMT
I have a i5 10400 with a RTX 3050 card. Nearly all the games I have my resolution at 1080p. On a couple of games, Spiderman and HZD, I notice when I bring up the performance window, the gpu utilization is over 90% while the cpu is much lower. I do have a few mods, but when reading the description for those, they don't put any load on the gpu. Would upgrading to an i7 or i9 take off some of the load from the gpu?In this case your GPU is bottlenecked. Despite the term of bottleneck -this is actually preferred today. Utilization is pretty much represented to a real world gas pedal and the GPU is the engine -Uti-0% is no gas and Uti-100% -foot to the floor. The CPU is the size of the pipe from the gas tank to the engine. In short the higher the better. Its the opposite you don't want to happen. Which can lead -if it goes to far to a CPU bottleneck. Well unless you are going for extreme longevity of the GPU... maybe not a bad thing if you want the GPU to last a decade. Nope, that's not how it works. You are already bottlenecked by the GPU, and your CPU has some overhead. That said, upgrading to 12th or 13th gen will boost your performance, provided you get a fast board+memory combo and upgrade to M.2 and run everything off of it. Alas, you'd still be bottlenecked by the GPU. What gpu would you suggest for the i5? Time-linked to the point of the CPU/GPU rule he states:
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 6, 2023 16:39:52 GMT
Thanks for the answers. What I did is I purchased a coolmaster 212 fan for my cpu. Why? Since my cpu has the fan that came with it, upgrading the fan would be a good thing. I got it for free using gift cards from bestbuy. After installing it, I played Horizon Zero Dawn for about an hour. There is no fan noise like there was before upgrading. I'm happy about that. I have looked at getting a 3060/ti card. I'm tempted to get it. For the time being, I will continue with what I have while keeping an eye on any drop in price for a video card. First off if CUDA and Raytracing do not matter I would go with the RX 6700XT. Its cheaper than the 3060/3060TI on Amazon right now. However if you need those two things or FSR and Re-Bar shun you then here is the current prices of the 3060's: The 3060 will run you around $350 to $450 -unless you go MSI which will be about $500+ The 3060 TI will run you around $450 to $500 -again if you go with MSI you will be paying $500+ The Radeon RX 6700 XT will run you $370 to $470 and will beat the 3060/TI's WITHOUT using the C.R mentioned earlier. This shows the differences: Still even if not getting one anytime soon this will give you the info you need. There also is of course one cavate I will give according to Buildzoid the MSI RTX 3060 Ti Gaming X has a bad PCB design. A no buy on that one if you do go 3060 TI.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 6, 2023 16:43:07 GMT
The flashy-thingy behaviour is back since last night.....and it's really starting to piss me off. I only have so many USB ports, I can't keep switching things back and forth because eventually I'm always gonna be using one or more than doesn't work properly. I'm tempted to RMA my Board. Just try another keyboard with no onboard USB.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 6, 2023 16:43:21 GMT
I have a i5 10400 with a RTX 3050 card. Nearly all the games I have my resolution at 1080p. On a couple of games, Spiderman and HZD, I notice when I bring up the performance window, the gpu utilization is over 90% while the cpu is much lower. I do have a few mods, but when reading the description for those, they don't put any load on the gpu. Would upgrading to an i7 or i9 take off some of the load from the gpu? Being GPU bottlenecked is the general goal nowadays. You reached it. There is no reason to upgrade if you are happy with the performance. Every system has a bottleneck somewhere.Upgrading the CPU will not free up the GPU. If anything, it might push it even a bit more. A CPU change might improve your 0.1% and 1% lows, which should make the gameplay feel smoother, even if the average FPS doesn't really change. But there is no guarantee you will feel such a change. Everyone has different tolerances to mini-stutters. Some people notice them, some don't. For your CPU, anything around 3070 and up to 3090 should be fine for 1440p. For 4k, you should start looking from at least a 3080 with 12GB. For 1080p, you are fine with a 3050. I wouldn't go higher than a 3060Ti if you plan to keep that resolution. Very true it doesn't have to be the GPU that is bottlenecked. It can be any component as the previous video states that is not giving its maximum performance. Single core CPU & RAM bottleneck for example: pbs-prod.linustechtips.com/monthly_2021_02/315919272_Bottleneckorno.jpg.6f8babb165da7e4bdd06837a579abf86.jpg
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 6, 2023 16:43:55 GMT
If they need this power to be equal to the GTX 660 then the power for a comparative card down the line will be what 1500W? Yep. Going to need two PSU's if your in the US. One for PC and one for the GPU alone. Unless they bring the efficiency per watt way up. If not and its winter time then forget space heaters just get two future 5090'S and run Furmark for 24 hours -not advisable realistically speaking but still you will warm your house. The RTX 4090 are built using TSMC's 4nm node and they are much more efficient than the RTX 30-series GPUs. The peak power draw on my RTX 4090 is at an eye-watering 600 watts. But because I'm limiting the framerate to 140 FPS on my 144hz monitor due to G-Sync, the 4090 is actually drawing about 100 watts less on average than my 3090 while getting more framerate. In most games, the GPU fans only spin occasionally. It is almost silent. So surprisingly, the 4090 uses less power and produces less heat than my 3090 with the framerate capped. Even in demanding games like Cyberpunk 2077 and Flight Sim 2020 that rarely hit the 140 FPS limit, the total system power draw is still lower. By upgrading to a 4090, it has lowered the internal case temp and also the CPU temp. This is going to make gaming in summer much more enjoyable. I'm very happy with it. I am glad for you and I understand what your saying. Its good to know that there is some effeiceny improvement and I hope it continues. Though if you did remove the cap would it consume more than the 3000 series? If so that would prove the point -since most don't know or care to do a limiter which is saddening. Again I'm sorry I am just looking twenty years down the line and concerned about where we are already nearing sub 5 nm and having 4 nm on the horizon. One thing about electronics that I DO know is that as you get smaller and you push more power through tinier and tinier components the heat gets exponentially worse. Which we have seen already with Ryzen 7000 and Intel's 13 Gen. NOT saying it can't be fixed or mitigated as der8auer's delidding of the Ryzen chip shows but for the average consumer it could EVENTUALLY be a problem. My mind lives in the far future and I analyze the past and observe the present then bring the three together in the tomorrow. Sorry if that hurts your brain but it would hurt mine to exist in one state.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 6, 2023 21:02:56 GMT
NOT saying it can't be fixed or mitigated as der8auer's delidding of the Ryzen chip shows but for the average consumer it could EVENTUALLY be a problem. Exactly. Your average consumer can't replace the rattling fans on a video card or fix coil whine either. Hell, even I can't fix the coil whine on my EVGA 3090 FTW3.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 6, 2023 22:25:13 GMT
NOT saying it can't be fixed or mitigated as der8auer's delidding of the Ryzen chip shows but for the average consumer it could EVENTUALLY be a problem. Exactly. Your average consumer can't replace the rattling fans on a video card or fix coil whine either. Hell, even I can't fix the coil whine on my EVGA 3090 FTW3. It isn't your primary GPU anymore so why not test one of those methods I posted... Though I loathe the Silicone Caulking method probably would be the easiest and let us know the results. Worst thing is you loose a non primary GPU... But considering it may be your only backup for the system probably best to wait till you get a third -which I know your contemplating.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 6, 2023 23:14:31 GMT
It isn't your primary GPU anymore so why not test one of those methods I posted... Though I loathe the Silicone Caulking method probably would be the easiest and let us know the results. Worst thing is you loose a non primary GPU... But considering it may be your only backup for the system probably best to wait till you get a third -which I know your contemplating. Because it is still under warranty and I don't want to void it. I already had the original card replaced under warranty. If I had done any modification like putting superglue on the chokes, EVGA would probably not honor the warranty. Either way, I'll most likely keep it original since it's one of the last video cards ever made by EVGA. When it's time for it to retire, I'll clean it up and put it on display instead.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 7, 2023 0:16:29 GMT
It isn't your primary GPU anymore so why not test one of those methods I posted... Though I loathe the Silicone Caulking method probably would be the easiest and let us know the results. Worst thing is you loose a non primary GPU... But considering it may be your only backup for the system probably best to wait till you get a third -which I know your contemplating. Because it is still under warranty and I don't want to void it. I already had the original card replaced under warranty. If I had done any modification like putting superglue on the chokes, EVGA would probably not honor the warranty. Either way, I'll most likely keep it original since it's one of the last video cards ever made by EVGA. When it's time for it to retire, I'll clean it up and put it on display instead. ..... Or sell for FIVE Grand.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jan 7, 2023 12:13:04 GMT
I'll clean it up and put it on display instead.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 7, 2023 22:43:31 GMT
So how long do you think it will be before we hit RAM capacities of 1 TB as we have with SSDs etc OR CPU core clock speeds of the Teraherts range...? I mean for the last 20 years we haven't even been able to reach a base clock core speed of barely 4.0 Ghz (my 10 series Cpu is 3.8 Ghz across 10 cores....and the newest 13 series is even slower at 2.8 or 3.0 Ghz across 8 Performance Cores and 8 Efficiency Cores). I think they've done away with the model of crazy speed on a crazy number of cores....I think my 10th Gen was that last of that framework.
Just totally spitballing here...but personally I'd like to see a base clock of 5.0 Ghz on all cores, and get rid of the P/E model (because does that really do anything?)....I think that will be a day to remember.
These are just totally random thoughts. But comments (nice ones, constructive ones) would be welcome in discussion of these hairbrained ideas!
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Post by saandrig on Jan 8, 2023 19:10:01 GMT
So how long do you think it will be before we hit RAM capacities of 1 TB as we have with SSDs etc OR CPU core clock speeds of the Teraherts range...? I mean for the last 20 years we haven't even been able to reach a base clock core speed of barely 4.0 Ghz (my 10 series Cpu is 3.8 Ghz across 10 cores....and the newest 13 series is even slower at 2.8 or 3.0 Ghz across 8 Performance Cores and 8 Efficiency Cores). I think they've done away with the model of crazy speed on a crazy number of cores....I think my 10th Gen was that last of that framework. Just totally spitballing here...but personally I'd like to see a base clock of 5.0 Ghz on all cores, and get rid of the P/E model (because does that really do anything?)....I think that will be a day to remember. These are just totally random thoughts. But comments (nice ones, constructive ones) would be welcome in discussion of these hairbrained ideas! It's not so much about clock speed anymore. IPC is what it's all about. And for gaming it seems 3D V-cache will start catching on.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 9, 2023 3:54:54 GMT
So how long do you think it will be before we hit RAM capacities of 1 TB as we have with SSDs etc OR CPU core clock speeds of the Teraherts range...? I mean for the last 20 years we haven't even been able to reach a base clock core speed of barely 4.0 Ghz (my 10 series Cpu is 3.8 Ghz across 10 cores....and the newest 13 series is even slower at 2.8 or 3.0 Ghz across 8 Performance Cores and 8 Efficiency Cores). I think they've done away with the model of crazy speed on a crazy number of cores....I think my 10th Gen was that last of that framework. Just totally spitballing here...but personally I'd like to see a base clock of 5.0 Ghz on all cores, and get rid of the P/E model (because does that really do anything?)....I think that will be a day to remember. These are just totally random thoughts. But comments (nice ones, constructive ones) would be welcome in discussion of these hairbrained ideas! We are halfway to 1 TB of RAM. DDR5 will have a supposedly max single module size of 128GB. If you get a motherboard with four ram slots you will be able to have 512GB of RAM. So in my opinion its more than likely we will see 1 TB of RAM either in a refined DDR5 line or straight up DDR6 single 1TB modules. As to Terahertz CPU's... its been done already but good luck seeing a commercially available version: www.extremetech.com/extreme/193343-darpa-creates-first-1thz-computer-chip-earns-guinness-world-recordINTEL is more than likely to stay P.E. CPU architecture and in my opinion at least for another generation or two -INTEL got to differ from AMD somehow. However still being on NM10 is hurting them and their funky IHS designs has them most likely in a scenario in this next decade looking for performance and finding none. Lest they find a way to venture to sub NM 7. Still they are in a good condition that once they hit say NM7 they will still be able to get more performance where AMD has got all they can and has no where to go. Though if the P.E. architecture annoys you that bad... You could always get a Ryzen system and then you don't have to deal with it.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 9, 2023 11:32:36 GMT
I'll stick with Intel, thanks. 'Preciate your thorough input though! Have a great day, Vanguardian.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 9, 2023 18:47:03 GMT
I'll stick with Intel, thanks. 'Preciate your thorough input though! Have a great day, Vanguardian. Well this was very prophetical but in a bad way. My ISP which handles phone, internet and satelite for here just went off the rails because I sent the bill out in the mail but due to the new year it arrived two days late. You would expect them to charge a late fee right? Nope. They are charging three times the monthly bill with late fee included. Just when I think I can get the drives and the desk and get this done. Just FYI if you have Brightspeed -change. I am looking into this now.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 11, 2023 4:16:16 GMT
It's not so much about clock speed anymore. IPC is what it's all about. And for gaming it seems 3D V-cache will start catching on. To be honest, it hasn't really been clock speed ever since Intel dumped the Netburst architecture for the Core architecture. Having more IPC is also one of the reasons why AMD's Athlon, Athlon XP, and Athlon 64 were able to stay competitive despite being clocked much lower than Intel's Pentium 4 CPUs. I'm one of those people who care about performance per watt and I'm very excited about the upcoming Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs. These new X3D-series CPUs should have lower base clocks and boost clocks than their normal X-series counterparts. So that means lower power consumption, better thermals, and much better efficiency while delivering up to 30% better gaming performance due to the gigantic L3 3D V-Cache. However, lower clocks also means they won't be as good for productivity workload.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 13, 2023 0:24:23 GMT
It's not so much about clock speed anymore. IPC is what it's all about. And for gaming it seems 3D V-cache will start catching on. To be honest, it hasn't really been clock speed ever since Intel dumped the Netburst architecture for the Core architecture. Having more IPC is also one of the reasons why AMD's Athlon, Athlon XP, and Athlon 64 were able to stay competitive despite being clocked much lower than Intel's Pentium 4 CPUs. I'm one of those people who care about performance per watt and I'm very excited about the upcoming Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs. These new X3D-series CPUs should have lower base clocks and boost clocks than their normal X-series counterparts. So that means lower power consumption, better thermals, and much better efficiency while delivering up to 30% better gaming performance due to the gigantic L3 3D V-Cache. However, lower clocks also means they won't be as good for productivity workload. Well I will say this: Smart Access Memory seems to give the 7900XTX a boost and the one person I found did really manage a 30% overclock it may actually be able to trade blows with the 4090 after all. I won't know I could barely afford that 4070 TI. So unless I get a windfall sometime soon I can't really get to test it. Sad days.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 13, 2023 0:24:47 GMT
It's not so much about clock speed anymore. IPC is what it's all about. And for gaming it seems 3D V-cache will start catching on. To be honest, it hasn't really been clock speed ever since Intel dumped the Netburst architecture for the Core architecture. Having more IPC is also one of the reasons why AMD's Athlon, Athlon XP, and Athlon 64 were able to stay competitive despite being clocked much lower than Intel's Pentium 4 CPUs. I'm one of those people who care about performance per watt and I'm very excited about the upcoming Ryzen 7000X3D CPUs. These new X3D-series CPUs should have lower base clocks and boost clocks than their normal X-series counterparts. So that means lower power consumption, better thermals, and much better efficiency while delivering up to 30% better gaming performance due to the gigantic L3 3D V-Cache. However, lower clocks also means they won't be as good for productivity workload. You must know the quandary that I sometimes am right at home in being both right and wrong at the same time. If you want a 30% performance boost you most likely will have to go above the 7800X3D. The base clock is lower but they still supposedly will have the same boost clock. The TDP will be lower for the top two but higher for the final one and the L3 Cache is DOUBLELING at the least for all three X3D chips -that is right three chips. Also the new NON-X 7000's launched two days ago on the Tenth and they have the 65W I was hoping we would see. Here are the specs for the OLD 7000 X line: And the X3D line: The performance compared to lowest level X3D: Also here is the the NON-X CPUS:
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 13, 2023 2:20:36 GMT
Well I will say this: Smart Access Memory seems to give the 7900XTX a boost and the one person I found did really manage a 30% overclock it may actually be able to trade blows with the 4090 after all. I won't know I could barely afford that 4070 TI. So unless I get a windfall sometime soon I can't really get to test it. Sad days. Haha, we're talking about CPUs though. Not GPUs. This is why AMD's current CPU and GPU naming schemes are confusing as fuck. Right now, there are at least two AMD CPUs and two AMD GPUs all named 7900. Remember a year ago I made a post about using Resizable-BAR on my 3090 and getting free performance boost? AMD's Smart Access Memory is also based on Resizable-BAR. The performance benefits of Re-BAR can vary a lot from game to game though. Some games like Assassin's Creed Valhalla gain as much as 20%, while other games see no difference at all. It's also very interesting that Intel's Arc GPUs are the ones that get the most performance gains from Re-BAR.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 13, 2023 2:44:30 GMT
You must know the quandary that I sometimes am right at home in being both right and wrong at the same time. If you want a 30% performance boost you most likely will have to go above the 7800X3D. The base clock is lower but they still supposedly will have the same boost clock. The TDP will be lower for the top two but higher for the final one and the L3 Cache is DOUBLELING at the least for all three X3D chips -that is right three chips. Also the new NON-X 7000's launched two days ago on the Tenth and they have the 65W I was hoping we would see. If I was building a new PC, I'd get at least a 7950X3D to replace my 5950X. However, I probably won't need a new PC for at least two more years. This current build is already perfect for my needs. It can get more than 100 FPS in Cyberpunk 2077 while being cool and quiet. The Gigabyte RTX 4090's heatsink is so overbuilt that the GPU and the VRAM never hit 70C. Most of the time it just chugs along at 50-60C.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 13, 2023 4:34:47 GMT
Well I will say this: Smart Access Memory seems to give the 7900XTX a boost and the one person I found did really manage a 30% overclock it may actually be able to trade blows with the 4090 after all. I won't know I could barely afford that 4070 TI. So unless I get a windfall sometime soon I can't really get to test it. Sad days. Haha, we're talking about CPUs though. Not GPUs. This is why AMD's current CPU and GPU naming schemes are confusing as fuck. Right now, there are at least two AMD CPUs and two AMD GPUs all named 7900. Remember a year ago I made a post about using Resizable-BAR on my 3090 and getting free performance boost? AMD's Smart Access Memory is also based on Resizable-BAR. The performance benefits of Re-BAR can vary a lot from game to game though. Some games like Assassin's Creed Valhalla gain as much as 20%, while other games see no difference at all. It's also very interesting that Intel's Arc GPUs are the ones that get the most performance gains from Re-BAR. First I would like to say my apologies I meant 3070 ti -no way was I going for a 4070 -WHOOPS! Still yes its based on the Re-Bar technology and they did beat Nvidia with the implementation of it. Also yes the performance gain is actually closer to 25% in ACV at 1080p but 20% at 1440p and 14% at 4K. Still someone managed a 30% overclock... if true that would put it in 4090 territory would it not? That said games that seem to get hurt the most are first person or CPU heavy. The style the of card seems to excel with Re-Bar on are racing and third person games and 1080p. To me it isn't strange that Intel cards would desire or need Re-Bar since Intel were involved in creating the PCI interface back in the day. I would like to see AMD's GPU Infinity cache` and the AMD Ryzen CPU's Infinity fabric talk to one another but also communicate with RAM and a Hard Drive. Make total use of the systems resources.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jan 13, 2023 7:32:10 GMT
Still someone managed a 30% overclock... if true that would put it in 4090 territory would it not? Only if that 30% overclock actually translates to 30% performance increase. Most of time, it doesn't. I don't have any experience with overclocking the 7900 XTX, but the current widely-accepted overclocking method seems to be a bit more complicated and unorthodox. First, the 7900 XTX already run very hot compared to Nvidia's RTX 40-series GPUs. Second, the AMD reference cards aren't very good for overclocking due to their power limit. Third, there are also MANY reports of defective reference 7900 XTX coolers causing overheating. We are talking about a problem that is way more widespread than Nvidia's melting 12VHPWR connectors and it might require a recall. So you're much better off with a more expensive board partner card with a 3x8-pin custom board design, a beefy custom cooler, and an increased power limit. Unlike traditional overclocking, you don't touch the clocks at first. Instead, you increase the power limit to maximum and you slowly undervolt the GPU until it is no longer stable. Once you've reached that point, you increase the voltage a bit to keep it 100% stable. Now that you've found the lowest stable voltage, you can begin to increase the maximum GPU frequency. After you've reached a stable GPU overclock, you can then start raising the VRAM frequency. Keep in mind that higher clocks don't necessarily mean better performance. So just keep testing, benchmarking, and adjusting the clocks until you get the best benchmark numbers without crashing. The thing is if you're spending more money on a board partner 7900 XTX, you might as well spend a bit more on something like an RTX 4080 which offers similar rasterization performance, slightly better power efficiency (10-30 watts lower at the same framerate), much better thermals, significantly better ray-tracing performance, better upscaling with the DLSS, and Tensor cores for your CUDA apps. Remember that the RTX 4080 is already a terrible value even compared to the RTX 4090. It's mind-blowing that the $1600 4090 actually offers better performance per dollar than the $1200 4080. In conclusion, they are all terrible value for the asking price. Both the 4080 and the 7900 XTX need to be priced at least $300 lower. $900 MSRP for the 4080 and $700 MSRP for the 7900 XTX.
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Post by saandrig on Jan 13, 2023 10:38:58 GMT
Gah, me unhappy.
The Cablemod custom cable arrived and it has a loose wire. I can probably reattach it, but honestly, this is not something I am comfortbale with. There is a lot of power going through the thing. Don't want my DIY efforts to screw the whole setup.
And their factory is closed for the next few weeks, so the RMA would be done some time after February 6th.
Ah, well, more time to reconsider the future bad purchase of a 4090, lol.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jan 13, 2023 14:17:36 GMT
Why is your 4090 a bad purchase?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jan 14, 2023 0:27:16 GMT
Why is your 4090 a bad purchase? Its a bad purchase in as with the RMA cable saandrig needs... He has the 4090 but can't use it for nearly 20+ days -or more. Well he could try running it without the extra power connections but at least with older Nvidia cards like the GTX 250 to do so would only get it to boot up and run the OS. However trying to run any game that required a load and the GPU would do one of three things: 1. The game would not even launch. 2. The GPU would reboot the PC. 3. The system would shut down. Not sure if this still holds true.
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