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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 10, 2023 21:47:32 GMT
So today I loaded Jedi Survivor and continued my pursuit of Rayvis (which didn't last very long as I got to a point where I got electrocuted, and after trying 3x I gave up. It was the spot where after the rainbow bridge thingy that incinerates anything it comes into contact with, you jump up to this narrow square passageway and Greez contacts you. I couldn't hear what he said, but then you have to jump onto this yellow grate....shimmy across...jump sideways, then dash between the small square opening between the electrical grid-- or risk getting electrocuted again.
I'm sure it's not that hard....I was just fooling around with it, thought it would be good to try and make some progress in the few minutes I had to play....and found that it was good to be playing it again. But now that I know what to do, when I have some down time...I'll tackle that again.
In a moment of insanity, for reasons unknown....I also re-installed ANTHEM because I haven't touched it since 2020, thought it would be good to revisit it and play something different every now and then. But as soon as I entered the Enclave, I almost uninstalled it right there.
Should I give it another go? Is anyone still playing after four years?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 11, 2023 1:07:48 GMT
Hi Kappa. Very quickly....just picking up on your comment/question about the possibility of your GPU being too old for the rest of your system. I know you have raised other points and other questions, but for now that is what I want to answer as that is the one thing that jumpted out at me the most. Yes, that is entirely possible. Like any other piece of hardware within the system, there comes a point where due to age and the advancements in technology over the years (even 2 or 3 years) it is the better investment to buy newer and more 'up to date' hardware than try and stick with something older. Especially in the GPU department as that is most often the one singular part that anyone replaces if they're wanting to improve performance. And being a Windows PC that is (I'm assuming custom built where you've bought the individual parts and put it together yourself rather than a branded PC like ASUS, ACER, IBM etc where THEY put it together.....and then charge you both arms and half a leg for replacement parts if needed). Swapping out a GPU is the easiest thing to do and the most common replaceable part a person would go for if any incremental performance over the years is needed or desired. Still, there comes a time when simply replacing only the GPU and expecting or seeing an increase in performance just won't cut it anymore. At that point, as you have done, it is better to buy all new parts that are more updated, and this would include the GPU because sometimes putting an older GPU (which you may honestly think is still good and performing well...and it may be) but when trying to put it on a 'newer' system, sometimes it's just not the best match. *Crossing paws and drumsticks for you and your PC* Actually Kappa Neko is partially right here a GPU that is even a decade older would run on a DDR5 system. It comes down to drivers for the GPU. If there is no driver then the GPU will not work past the basics. That is most of the issue with Windows 11 is that most drivers used for it don't support older hardware but we are talking back to the AGP era graphics cards -which I believe are the cards that Nvidia has removed support from for Windows 11.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 11, 2023 1:08:24 GMT
OK, my guy just picked up the PC. We talked a little bit about it and his theory is that my GPU is too old for the new DDR5 setup. Is that plausible?? Mind you, he's no gaming PC expert. I never thought about new DDR5 hardware being incompatible with a six year old GPU. I guess it's a setup that most people won't try. So I don't know if any of you guys has experience with that? I'll have to google this... Edit: Apparently this isn't possible because any PCIe card is backwards compatible.I guess that's easy to determine by running it with the on-board graphics which he plans to do first thing. If for some reason the board/RAM don't play nice with the 1080Ti, then it's no big deal because I plan on replacing it within 3-4 weeks anyway. I'd much prefer that to new defective components actually. He claims he ran all kinds of tool that said everything was in order. No Windows install corruption. It could be the M.2 though, he'll test the system on a SATA. I'll hear back from him on Wednesday how things are looking. Fingers crossed he finds the culprit. I still have PTSD from my old car I bought used with a defect that didn't show during the test drive, I brought it back and the dealer claimed to have fixed it twice and it wasn't true. Took forever to figure out what the problem was. Turned out it was major damage of several thousand euros. Tried to blackmail me into paying for all that myself. That was a nightmare. Fingers crossed my PC gets fixed quicker... An old GPU will work fine in a newer system as long as its the same interface type bus. Also yes you got it correct about backwards compatibility. What Energizer Bunny 211 refers to only happens when they shift GPU connection interface: AGP to PCIe for instance. And new OSs come along and the GPU maker doesn't make drivers for the older hardware or discontinue support as Nvidia did with the old GPUs from the AGP days I believe back in 2021. As to the VRAM issue... Correct me if I am wrong but the 1080 TI has a 352 bit bus interface. The 4080 is the first card in the 4000 series to be 256 bus -so still an undercut if you ask me. The price on all though... ouch. If you need that massive amount of VRAM I am sorry to say its probably better to go AMD The 4070ti has 12GB where its AMD GPU counterpart has 20GB: 7900XT and its got a 384 bit bus. Sure you may lack RT and DLSS but at least you would have the VRAM to cover what your doing. Another benefit of the AMD GPUs -they still use the traditional connector so you will not have to worry about the power issue. The irony is the 7900XT is going about the same as a 4070ti now. Well this 7900XT on Amazon is at $720 -not sure the exchange rate over there.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 11, 2023 2:49:15 GMT
Guys, I need some advice again. So my computer is at the shop right now. Got assembled fine. Problem is the new board doesn't recognize the OS drive anymore. He tried everything, nothing worked. I know it is a bit too late but I just saw your post. It was a pain to navigate through all those long comments. Do you remember if your old boot drive was on MBR or GPT? Because a lot of modern motherboards have CSM disabled by default in UEFI/BIOS, and you won't be able to boot an MBR volume with CSM disabled. So it could probably be easily fixed by enabling CSM and you would be able to boot from your old drive. Unfortunately it's too late now. However CSM actually needs to be disabled for secure boot, so enabling it probably wouldn't work for Windows 11. There is also a chance that your GTX 1080 Ti doesn't work properly with CSM disabled. Maybe your tech guy can take the 1080 Ti out and switch to the onboard graphics on the 13700K since he suspects that the 1080 Ti is causing these errors. It's a very simple test.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 11, 2023 3:11:27 GMT
Guys, I need some advice again. So my computer is at the shop right now. Got assembled fine. Problem is the new board doesn't recognize the OS drive anymore. He tried everything, nothing worked. I know it is a bit too late but I just saw your post. It was a pain to navigate through all those long comments. Do you remember if your old boot drive was on MBR or GPT? Because a lot of modern motherboards have CSM disabled by default in UEFI/BIOS, and you won't be able to boot an MBR volume with CSM disabled. So it could probably be easily fixed by enabling CSM and you would be able to boot from your old drive. Unfortunately it's too late now. However CSM actually needs to be disabled for secure boot, so that probably wouldn't work for Windows 11. There is also a chance that your GTX 1080 Ti doesn't work properly with CSM disabled. Maybe your tech guy can take the 1080 Ti out and switch to the onboard graphics on the 13700K since he suspects that the 1080 Ti is causing these errors. It's a very simple test. A possibility... I wonder... Did the Tech guy clone Kappa's hard drive and then put it on to the M.2 but made it a GPT partition when 10-1 the old drive was a MBR partition. That would explain ALOT.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 11, 2023 3:23:12 GMT
A possibility... I wonder... Did the Tech guy clone Kappa's hard drive and then put it on to the M.2 but made it a GPT partition when 10-1 the old drive was a MBR partition. That would explain ALOT. To convert an MBR volume to GPT is quite a long process and I don't think they would bother with that. Also according to Kappa Neko, the tech didn't clone the original boot drive to the NVMe SSD either. If they had converted it to GPT, they would've been able to boot from it right away. Instead they just wiped the old boot drive and that turned out to be a mistake. I would install Windows 11 on the new NVMe SSD and keep all the old drives as they were just in case.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 11, 2023 3:49:15 GMT
A possibility... I wonder... Did the Tech guy clone Kappa's hard drive and then put it on to the M.2 but made it a GPT partition when 10-1 the old drive was a MBR partition. That would explain ALOT. To convert an MBR volume to GPT is quite a long process and I don't think they would bother with that. Also according to Kappa Neko, the tech didn't clone the original boot drive to the NVMe SSD either. If they had converted it to GPT, they would've been able to boot from it right away. Instead they just wiped the old boot drive and that was a mistake. I would install Windows 11 on the new NVMe SSD and keep all the drives just in case. How long? Two to four hours? I have cloned traditional hard drives in that time. OS ones though usually do take longer that I will attest. Not necessarily if its cloned with EaseUS. In which you can clone an OS MBR drive to another drive in GPT mode. Drives of the same size are preferred since it uncomplicates the process. For when you enact it the process of setting things up to transfer from the MBR drive it then boots to DOS and copies everything -including system files onto the GPT drive. The process must be exact though. IF drives are different sizes -especially if cloning an OS drive the locations and partitions MUST match in my experience. The math gets tedious trying to match but if done correctly you notice no change or if you fail errors are prevalent. I wonder if this is what may have been done and it could have borked. Again this is only if the cloning process was used -still an unconventional method of doing this and I have only done this going from 1TB to a 2TB standard drives and never the reverse. Still a good thought on the MRB to GPT thing. EDIT: Syntax fixed.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 11, 2023 4:46:15 GMT
How long? Two to four hours? I have cloned traditional hard drives in that time. OS ones though usually do take longer that I will attest. Not necessarily if its cloned with EaseUS. In which you can clone an OS MBR drive to another drive in GPT mode. Drives of the same size are preferred since it uncomplicates the process. They didn't clone the drive though. So you're kind of going off topic again. I wish they had cloned the entire drive. That would save Kappa Neko some headache. Some apps like EaseUS require you to clone the drive first and then you may convert the target drive to GPT, so that takes a bit longer. Some apps can clone and convert it to GPT on the fly and that saves you some time. Cloning is a uncomplicated process if you use the right third party app, but it does take a long time depending on the size of the volume. Converting from MBR to GPT shouldn't take too long though now I think of it. Last time I did something like that was more than ten years ago, so I don't really remember if I just did both GPT conversion and cloning or just converted an MBR drive to GPT.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 11, 2023 5:27:05 GMT
IF drives are different sizes -especially if cloning an OS drive the locations and partitions MUST match in my experience. The math gets tedious trying to match but if done correctly you notice no change or if you fail errors are prevalent. I wonder if this is what may have been done and it could have borked. Again this is only if the cloning process was used -still an unconventional method of doing this and I have only done this going from 1TB to a 2TB standard drives and never the reverse. Still a good thought on the MRB to GPT thing. I actually just cloned a 512GB SSD to a slightly smaller 500GB SSD for one of my spare laptops. I used EaseUS and it did it without any issues. So as long as your target drive is large enough to fit everything, it will work.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 11, 2023 6:29:44 GMT
How long? Two to four hours? I have cloned traditional hard drives in that time. OS ones though usually do take longer that I will attest. Not necessarily if its cloned with EaseUS. In which you can clone an OS MBR drive to another drive in GPT mode. Drives of the same size are preferred since it uncomplicates the process. They didn't clone the drive though. So you're kind of going off topic again. I wish they had cloned the entire drive. That would save Kappa Neko some headache. Some apps like EaseUS require you to clone the drive first and then you may convert the target drive to GPT, so that takes a bit longer. Some apps can clone and convert it to GPT on the fly and that saves you some time.
Cloning is a uncomplicated process if you use the right third party app, but it does take a long time depending on the size of the volume. Converting from MBR to GPT shouldn't take too long though now I think of it. Last time I did something like that was more than ten years ago, so I don't really remember if I just did both GPT conversion and cloning or just converted an MBR drive to GPT. Maybe it wasn't EASEUS that I used -its been awhile. The software I used required setting the sizes of the drives down to bytes and where to start on each drive and where to end. It did schedule all the tasks to be done on restart and could be canceled or restructured till hitting the apply changes. I am not certain I am off topic for as far as I know it was never stated "how" the tech installed the OS on to the drive but supposedly retained Kappa's data. So yes I am spit balling possible scenarios.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 11, 2023 6:31:21 GMT
IF drives are different sizes -especially if cloning an OS drive the locations and partitions MUST match in my experience. The math gets tedious trying to match but if done correctly you notice no change or if you fail errors are prevalent. I wonder if this is what may have been done and it could have borked. Again this is only if the cloning process was used -still an unconventional method of doing this and I have only done this going from 1TB to a 2TB standard drives and never the reverse. Still a good thought on the MRB to GPT thing. I actually just cloned a 512GB SSD to a slightly smaller 500GB SSD for one of my spare laptops. I used EaseUS and it did it without any issues. So as long as your target drive is large enough to fit everything, it will work. Did that include the OS?
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 11, 2023 7:16:02 GMT
It was the boot drive. So yes, there was an OS.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 11, 2023 7:25:05 GMT
I am not certain I am off topic for as far as I know it was never stated "how" the tech installed the OS on to the drive but supposedly retained Kappa's data. So yes I am spit balling possible scenarios. I thought it was very clear that Kappa Neko accidentally told them to go ahead and format the SATA SSD where the old OS and all the games were. They didn't the clone it because they thought only the old OS was on the drive and it wasn't needed. So they wiped it along with the games that were on the other partition. Let's start with the biggest hilarious I want to cry irony ever: apparently my SATA with the old OS on was partitioned too and my games drive was the other drive with all my modded games on it and I have no recollection of it. Because when I got my PC back and inspected my drives my games drive was gone... All I have now is aside from my two HDD drives is an empty formatted 500GB SATA.... So I completely fucked myself over not remembering any of it. I told him to format the SSD because I assumed only the OS was on that one. Even now that I know what must have happened I still don't remember this.
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Post by Kappa Neko on Jul 11, 2023 8:01:09 GMT
That is correct. He couldn't even clone it because the OS drive was not recognized at all. So I'm not sure if my games drive could have been saved at all when one partition isn't recognized? No idea. In any case, I'll let you know when I have news.
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Post by Unicephalon 40-D on Jul 11, 2023 9:11:46 GMT
In a moment of insanity, for reasons unknown....I also re-installed ANTHEM because I haven't touched it since 2020, thought it would be good to revisit it and play something different every now and then. But as soon as I entered the Enclave, I almost uninstalled it right there. Should I give it another go? Is anyone still playing after four years? I loved Anthem, like really. We played the hell out of it when it came, but I basically stopped when the 2.0 did not drop. I dont have it installed right now but I am thinking of doing some runs in that world again. Really liked flying around with other players
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 11, 2023 13:21:03 GMT
In a moment of insanity, for reasons unknown....I also re-installed ANTHEM because I haven't touched it since 2020, thought it would be good to revisit it and play something different every now and then. But as soon as I entered the Enclave, I almost uninstalled it right there. Should I give it another go? Is anyone still playing after four years? I loved Anthem, like really. We played the hell out of it when it came, but I basically stopped when the 2.0 did not drop. I dont have it installed right now but I am thinking of doing some runs in that world again. Really liked flying around with other players Same here. I stoppped because all the amazing DLC and other Content they said they were going to be releasing...they didn't. And then the 2.0 fiasco came....they talked that up, and then as you said, they didn't release it. And to me, the game felt entirely unfinished. (I've said this time and time again, but just look at the in-game map of Fort Tarsis-- look at how huge the outline is, and all those locked gates that we can clearly see beyond.....Clearly they intended to open those areas up in future content, but never did. So the Fort became more like a prison with only so many places you could go, some many NPCs to talk to and only so many things you could do....before it got really stale. And the worst part is the Ending....That would be a prime opportunity for an amazing DLC or even the start of a Sequel, and to just leave us hanging like that was.....I can't even think of a word for it. On top of all this, I have found i the past that the game is not nearly as fun to play solo as it is co-op, so I get bored and frustrated really quickly. Bottom line is I'm having second thoughts about having it installed on my system when for all these reasons I will probably avoid it like th plague.
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As to the VRAM issue... Correct me if I am wrong but the 1080 TI has a 352 bit bus interface. The 4080 is the first card in the 4000 series to be 256 bus -so still an undercut if you ask me. The price on all though... ouch. If you need that massive amount of VRAM I am sorry to say its probably better to go AMD The 4070ti has 12GB where its AMD GPU counterpart has 20GB: 7900XT and its got a 384 bit bus. Sure you may lack RT and DLSS but at least you would have the VRAM to cover what your doing. Another benefit of the AMD GPUs -they still use the traditional connector so you will not have to worry about the power issue. The irony is the 7900XT is going about the same as a 4070ti now. For people who don't care about ray tracing AMD is a no-brainer right now. BUT I do and I think DLSS3 is too good to ignore on the lower end cards. Probably adds a couple if years to the longevity of those cards. Here are the cards listed by current price (sale) in Germany and their rasterization performance relative to the 4090, and RT performance: RTX 4070 Ti 850€ (780€) 66% (RT 65%) RX 7900 XT 900€ (809€) 74% (RT 58%) RX 7900XTX 950€ (900€) 85% (RT 65%) RTX 4080 1170€ (1100€) 81% (RT 80%) RTX 4090 1650€ (1550€) 100% (RT 100%) The 7900XT is the worst deal right now because for just 100 bucks more you get the much more powerful XTX. at least one XTX deal a week with dropping prices because apparently nobody is buying this expensive model while there are basically no deals for the XT. Don't know why. On paper this looks very favorable for AMD if you ignore what DLSS3 can do. I checked benchmarks for Cyberpunk overdrive, and yes it's an ridiculous exception but hear me out: on the XTX, AMD's most powerful card (!) it's a slideshow of 7 fps native and 15 with FSR2!!! That's a complete joke. You can get around 60fps with a 4070 with DLSS3!!! That's so shocking I don't even know what to say. Four times the performance for a card almost half the price. DLSS3 is stupid powerful for weaker cards. What good is more vRAM if I can't run the games as smoothly and pretty? Which sadly is what I do care about. Modding/pretty graphics is why I even play on PC and not console. AMD is really baiting hard with the Starfield bundle now, it looks like fate is pushing me to go AMD but it feels more like the devil tempting me to screw myself over, lol. On paper the 4070 Ti and 7900 XTX have the same RT performance but in reality with DLSS3 it's not even close. A 4080 is 200€ more expensive but has decent RT and then also DLSS. Imo that's worth the extra money even at just 16GB. I watched a German video weeks ago how AMD vRAM is less efficient and 20GB of AMD is like 18 or 16 for Nvidia, I don't remember exactly and can't seem to find the video anymore. So it's also not as straight forward as it looks. I dislike Nvidia's insulting prices but AMD is also charging too much for all the downsides their cards have. They are both greedy and living off each other rather than fostering competition that should result in better prices. No, they are fixing the whole market together! Inflated prices on ALL current cards so people buy their old stock. And it's working like a charm. So for me it's still the question which overpriced Nvidia card I should buy. 4070 now and hope for a 5070 with 16 or 20GB in two years? Or 4080/4090 hoping to keep it for 5-6 years. Hmmmm.
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Post by Energizer Bunny 211 on Jul 11, 2023 19:53:11 GMT
For what it's worth, Kappa, if it were me....I would go with the 4080.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 11, 2023 23:10:46 GMT
On paper the 4070 Ti and 7900 XTX have the same RT performance but in reality with DLSS3 it's not even close. A 4080 is 200€ more expensive but has decent RT and then also DLSS. Imo that's worth the extra money even at just 16GB. I watched a German video weeks ago how AMD vRAM is less efficient and 20GB of AMD is like 18 or 16 for Nvidia, I don't remember exactly and can't seem to find the video anymore. So it's also not as straight forward as it looks. I dislike Nvidia's insulting prices but AMD is also charging too much for all the downsides their cards have. They are both greedy and living off each other rather than fostering competition that should result in better prices. No, they are fixing the whole market together! Inflated prices on ALL current cards so people buy their old stock. And it's working like a charm. In the US, Nvidia's 40-series GPUs are still very much overpriced while we're seeing major price cuts on the 7900 XT and 7900 XTX. We can now buy a brand new 7900 XTX for only $800 USD versus the RTX 4080 for $300 more. It's a shame that the 7900 XTX failed to live up to AMD's expectations, but at least you can now get a good deal out of it. I suspect AMD thought they could get close to RTX 4090's performance through driver optimization before the official release, but clearly they couldn't. They thought they had a 4090 competitor but the actual performance ended up being closer to the 4080 instead. The chipset design GPU saves AMD more money, but it also makes their GPUs consume more power compared to Nvidia's monolithic GPUs. A lot of people like to quote articles talking about RTX 4090's massive 600 watts power draw, but they would say otherwise if they all had actually used a 4090. Nvidia's 40-series GPUs are impressively efficient. With the framerate capped at 60 FPS, my 4090 can run GTA 4 using only 35 watts of power. That means it's technically running the game at idle. When I swapped out my 3090 for a 4090, it actually lowered my system's temperatures by a couple degrees. The 4090 uses about 100 watts less than the 3090 in Cyberpunk 2077. That's with max graphics settings and Psycho Ray-Tracing settings. DLSS 3.0's Frame Generation also completely removes all framerate drops that I used to get in busy market areas. I have most games locked at 140 FPS due to my 144hz monitor and G-Sync. In Cyberpunk, I went from 60-90 FPS to completely maxed out at 140 FPS without any framerate drops. Ultimately, it's still not worth paying the premium for an Nvidia GPU over an AMD unless you really want to use ray-tracing and DLSS. Though if you also have money to burn, I definitely recommend an RTX 4080 or 4090 over a 7900 XTX.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 11, 2023 23:22:29 GMT
Speaking of burning money, I took advantage of Amazon's Prime Day sales and bought a 4TB WD SN850X SSD for $230. I'll use it to upgrade my 2TB SN850. It is my Steam drive and it's almost 70% full.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 12, 2023 2:08:19 GMT
As to the VRAM issue... Correct me if I am wrong but the 1080 TI has a 352 bit bus interface. The 4080 is the first card in the 4000 series to be 256 bus -so still an undercut if you ask me. The price on all though... ouch. If you need that massive amount of VRAM I am sorry to say its probably better to go AMD The 4070ti has 12GB where its AMD GPU counterpart has 20GB: 7900XT and its got a 384 bit bus. Sure you may lack RT and DLSS but at least you would have the VRAM to cover what your doing. Another benefit of the AMD GPUs -they still use the traditional connector so you will not have to worry about the power issue. The irony is the 7900XT is going about the same as a 4070ti now. So for me it's still the question which overpriced Nvidia card I should buy. 4070 now and hope for a 5070 with 16 or 20GB in two years? Or 4080/4090 hoping to keep it for 5-6 years. Hmmmm.With Nvidia unless there is a CEO change hope for more but expect less. Nividia are the kings of milking the cow dry and then still continuing. If it were me I would probably do one of these scenarios: 1. I would get a 3090ti and overclock it to a 4080 and that way you still get more VRAM but shelling out 2 grand is overkill. 2. Get a 4090 -its around $200 to $300 cheaper than a 3090 ti and then never go AMD or Nvidia again and hold out till Intel comes home to roost as GPU king. 3. Get a 4070 TI and use it with things set down to 1080p and hold out till the 5000 series to do your RT. 4. Chuck the whole PC thing and go console. BONUS Option: 5. Become the CEO of Nvidia and set things right for us common folk.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 12, 2023 2:09:21 GMT
Speaking of burning money, I took advantage of Amazon's Prime Day sales and bought a 4TB WD SN850X SSD for $230. I'll use it to upgrade my 2TB SN850. It is my Steam drive and it's almost 70% full. Yeah. That would barely do for me. My Steam collection is still growing.
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Post by bmwcrazy on Jul 12, 2023 2:44:29 GMT
Yeah. That would barely do for me. My Steam collection is still growing. I have nearly 500 games on my Steam account, but I only keep a couple installed on my PC.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 12, 2023 3:01:24 GMT
Yeah. That would barely do for me. My Steam collection is still growing. I have nearly 500 games on my Steam account, but I only keep a couple installed on my PC. I too am over 450 games... nearing 500 myself. Most of the ones on my wishlist though are not out yet. Where we differ is I have to have all installed due to the low internet speed I have its taken years to get them all. I would not dare to not have all installed. For if one day I just had the inkling to up and play IC or GS on the spur of the moment I would be waiting hours for the download to complete. Nostalgia can be hurtful I guess.
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