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Post by Hrungr on Feb 3, 2021 22:00:58 GMT
Apparently, Aspyr Media is the studio handling the KOTOR remake. Courtney Woods is the Lead Writer. www.resetera.com/threads/aspyr-media-is-working-on-an-aaa-70-million-title-kotor.372402/Raigor:This came from Embracer recent acquisition: Aspyr has an exciting pipeline and is looking to build on its vast catalogue during the next few years as well as to bring out new content based on multiple licensed IP’s. Aspyr currently has several games under development including one major ongoing game development project with an approximately budget of USD 70 million that is expected to become important for the entire group. These development projects will engage more than 200 internal and external developers with the core team in Austin, Texas, and will contribute to Embracer’s release slate in the coming years. EMBRACER JUST CONFIRMED IN A LIVE STREAM PRESENTATION THAT ASPYR IS WORKING ON A TRIPLE-A LICENSED TITLE. That's the KOTOR confirmation! anexanhume:But you [Jason] said we’d never guess! jschreierI don't think a single person in that thread guessed this.
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Post by azarhal on Feb 3, 2021 22:43:24 GMT
A company known for porting games is making a AAA game. Somewhat not feeling it.
And going by what I'm reading, people are really jumping the gun on that game being a remake of KoTOR too (note that not a remake of KoTOR is different than it's not a Star Wars game).
Courtney Woods is ex-Bioware for people interested in those sort of things, mostly worked on SWTOR.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 3, 2021 22:54:00 GMT
A company known for porting games is making a AAA game. Somewhat not feeling it. And going by what I'm reading, people are really jumping the gun on that game being a remake of KoTOR too (note that not a remake of KoTOR is different than it's not a Star Wars game). Courtney Woods is ex-Bioware for people interested in those sort of things, mostly worked on SWTOR. It's mostly because Jason effectively confirmed it. He was the one who said a KOTOR remake was in the works, but that it wasn't with EA, and most wouldn't be able to guess who was making it.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Feb 3, 2021 23:30:36 GMT
There were rumors of this about a year ago (https://www.cinelinx.com/news/knights-of-the-old-republic-remake-might-be-back-in-the-cards-exclusive/) with some confusion over whether it was a sequel or a remake. Seems like this is probably the same thing.
I'd rather a brand new game than some kind of remake or reimagining, but the games are old enough that wouldn't be too bad either. I hope we learn more soon.
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Post by Hrungr on Feb 3, 2021 23:48:18 GMT
There were rumors of this about a year ago (https://www.cinelinx.com/news/knights-of-the-old-republic-remake-might-be-back-in-the-cards-exclusive/) with some confusion over whether it was a sequel or a remake. Seems like this is probably the same thing. I'd rather a brand new game than some kind of remake or reimagining, but the games are old enough that wouldn't be too bad either. I hope we learn more soon. Yeah, rumors have been floating around for a while now. But over the last month there were a couple of solid insiders chiming in on it. It'll be interesting to see how much / how little it follows the existing KOTOR (which is no longer canon). "Darth Revan" exists, but his story is no longer canon.
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Post by azarhal on Feb 4, 2021 0:11:58 GMT
A company known for porting games is making a AAA game. Somewhat not feeling it. And going by what I'm reading, people are really jumping the gun on that game being a remake of KoTOR too (note that not a remake of KoTOR is different than it's not a Star Wars game). Courtney Woods is ex-Bioware for people interested in those sort of things, mostly worked on SWTOR. It's mostly because Jason effectively confirmed it. He was the one who said a KOTOR remake was in the works, but that it wasn't with EA, and most wouldn't be able to guess who was making it. As far as I'm concerned, Jason only confirmed that Aspyr is the other studio making a Star Wars game beside Ubisoft Massive that was mentioned a few weeks ago. He used "the KoTOR studio" to refer to it once, but I feel that was mostly to go with his entire twitter feed only talking about a KoTOR remake for 2 years straight every time none-EA Star Wars game rumors are brought up. Last year, he didn't even want to talk about the KoTOR remake rumors because he wasn't certain it was a remake. I don't think that actually changed. Just like people jumped into "KoTOR remake" when the Luminous Project leaked. The reason: someone somewhere said the Luminous Project was set in the Old Republic. LucasArts as since renamed that period (200 years before movies) the High Republic to avoid the confusion. Then you add the rest of the rumor that claim it supposedly merged both KoTOR's plot. How does that even work? The only thing that links both plots is that Tenebrae is there in the background manipulating shit and you don't even learn that in either of the games. It's something you learn in a novel made for SWTOR and in SWTOR. Oh and apparently there is a movie or TV series too. The entire rumor set sound like it's part of the High Republic project which fit with the movie/TV series + other medias rumors. Or people are confusing the whole together, but going by Disney has been managing the brand, it being part of the High Republic makes sense.
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Post by chris2365 on Feb 5, 2021 3:02:46 GMT
I remember an interview with the head of Star Wars, Kathleen Kennedy, saying that they were looking into developing the Old Republic setting. Who knows if that eventually morphed into the High Republic we are hearing about now, anything is possible.
That being said, if BioWare cannot work on a KOTOR remake, I think Aspyr Media would be the next best developer for the job. At least they have worked with the original KOTOR games during porting and have some former BioWare employees.
In an ideal world, I would love to see a remake of both KOTOR games. I would not mind if the combat systems got updated to make them more "modern", but they can also keep the classic D20 system. What really matters to me, and I think to a bunch of KOTOR fans as well, is that the story and characters of both games are respected as much as possible. For example, I would love a KOTOR game with updated combat and levels, but still follows the same base story of "Get Star Maps, destroy Star Forge". If the KOTOR remake can retain the original voice actors, even better!
Also, I hope they keep the original music themes in the remakes. Those songs make up so much of the game's identity for me, it would be a shame if they flushed down the drain.
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Post by sentinel87 on Feb 11, 2021 16:04:03 GMT
This sort of confuses me. So there is a straight upscale being worked on and a remake in the works. The remake is supposed to include changes in line with the newer films. What exactly would they need to include in KOTOR to make it fit in with the new Disney canon? I've only seen the newer movies each once but don't recall anything that would really need to be included in KOTOR, which takes place long before the movies, to make it fit in. The only thing that I can see this doing is returning KOTOR I and II back to canon since they are released under Disney.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 11, 2021 16:28:23 GMT
This sort of confuses me. So there is a straight upscale being worked on and a remake in the works. The remake is supposed to include changes in line with the newer films. What exactly would they need to include in KOTOR to make it fit in with the new Disney canon? I've only seen the newer movies each once but don't recall anything that would really need to be included in KOTOR, which takes place long before the movies, to make it fit in. The only thing that I can see this doing is returning KOTOR I and II back to canon since they are released under Disney. Removing choices and making it more a linear story with only preset outcomes (like Fallen Order) maybe? Also maybe some planet redesigns, like Malachor since it shows up in Star Wars: Rebels.
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Post by Julilla on Apr 21, 2021 18:47:09 GMT
There is an update here: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-04-21-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-remake-developed-by-aspyrI'm not happy if they try to make it closer to canon, because that means no female Revan. This game was the first game where I was able to play as a female and that choice was acknowledged and I had a different experience playing than my husband because of it. It is the reason I came to BW boards in the first place oh so many years ago. If they take out the ability to choose a female, I have no interest.
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Post by azarhal on Apr 21, 2021 19:42:47 GMT
There is an update here: www.eurogamer.net/articles/2021-04-21-star-wars-knights-of-the-old-republic-remake-developed-by-aspyrI'm not happy if they try to make it closer to canon, because that means no female Revan. This game was the first game where I was able to play as a female and that choice was acknowledged and I had a different experience playing than my husband because of it. It is the reason I came to BW boards in the first place oh so many years ago. If they take out the ability to choose a female, I have no interest. They don't mean closer to Revan's SW canon (as they are currently none, that's Legend stuff). They mean closer to Disney Star Wars Canon, which is limited to movies era +/- a few decades each side. Revan was ~4000 years before the movies in the pre-Disney era. Every comments about the Aspyr project point to an High Republic era game timeline wise and I have no idea how they would remake KoTOR into that era (which is already established with content released).
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Post by Iakus on Apr 21, 2021 19:55:48 GMT
Remaking one of Bioware's greatest games?
Yeah, I sense a great disturbance in the Force.
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Post by sentinel87 on Apr 21, 2021 22:23:53 GMT
Every comments about the Aspyr project point to an High Republic era game timeline wise and I have no idea how they would remake KoTOR into that era (which is already established with content released).
This doesn't sound good to me. This would make some sense though if they wanted to remake KOTOR in line with Disney canon as the High Republic is the new thing for Star Wars. Still leaves me worried if true.
The good thing with having KOTOR take place thousands of years prior to the movies is that it gives a lot of plausible reasons for the story to be muddled and less impactful to the movie era characters.
Revan needs to be treated very carefully overall. While I would love to have Revan brought back into Star Wars canon nothing take me out of whatever story they were trying tell if they said something about Revan that would make me go "hey, that's not what Revan did or who Revan was". Any mention should allow for whatever the player chose in the games to be possible in the newer stories Disney tells.
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Post by chris2365 on Apr 22, 2021 1:01:07 GMT
Every comments about the Aspyr project point to an High Republic era game timeline wise and I have no idea how they would remake KoTOR into that era (which is already established with content released).
This doesn't sound good to me. This would make some sense though if they wanted to remake KOTOR in line with Disney canon as the High Republic is the new thing for Star Wars. Still leaves me worried if true.
The good thing with having KOTOR take place thousands of years prior to the movies is that it gives a lot of plausible reasons for the story to be muddled and less impactful to the movie era characters.
Revan needs to be treated very carefully overall. While I would love to have Revan brought back into Star Wars canon nothing take me out of whatever story they were trying tell if they said something about Revan that would make me go "hey, that's not what Revan did or who Revan was". Any mention should allow for whatever the player chose in the games to be possible in the newer stories Disney tells.
Part of me hopes that the backlash that the recent sequel trilogy received will force Disney to be more careful when it comes to their story and lore decisions for future games/movies. I would not mind if Disney made some some small changes to make it fit with canon better, but the core of the story, themes and characters should remain intact. That's what makes it KOTOR in the first place. I'm also curious about the potential announcement timing for this remake. Given that the rumors of development first started circulating in January 2020, I wonder if a reveal on May 4th (Star Wars Day) or at E3 this year would be realistic.
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"n a MinnMax Video Interview, Bloomberg's Jason Schreier talks about a number of topics, including Press Reset, his new book on the "unsustainable aspects of the game industry." Jason also backs up recent rumors that a new Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic is in development. He says the studio on this aspirational project is Aspyr"
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Post by Iakus on Apr 22, 2021 13:23:58 GMT
This doesn't sound good to me. This would make some sense though if they wanted to remake KOTOR in line with Disney canon as the High Republic is the new thing for Star Wars. Still leaves me worried if true.
The good thing with having KOTOR take place thousands of years prior to the movies is that it gives a lot of plausible reasons for the story to be muddled and less impactful to the movie era characters.
Revan needs to be treated very carefully overall. While I would love to have Revan brought back into Star Wars canon nothing take me out of whatever story they were trying tell if they said something about Revan that would make me go "hey, that's not what Revan did or who Revan was". Any mention should allow for whatever the player chose in the games to be possible in the newer stories Disney tells.
Part of me hopes that the backlash that the recent sequel trilogy received will force Disney to be more careful when it comes to their story and lore decisions for future games/movies. I would not mind if Disney made some some small changes to make it fit with canon better, but the core of the story, themes and characters should remain intact. That's what makes it KOTOR in the first place. I'm also curious about the potential announcement timing for this remake. Given that the rumors of development first started circulating in January 2020, I wonder if a reveal on May 4th (Star Wars Day) or at E3 this year would be realistic. Given the High Republic and it's reception, I wouldn't bet on it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 22, 2021 15:44:49 GMT
With rumors that Revan will show up in the Acolyte series and eventually get his own, I’d say any chance of this remake being anything like it’s predecessor is shot. He’ll be a predefined character and there won’t be any RPG elements, or at least none worth noting.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 22, 2021 15:55:32 GMT
With rumors that Revan will show up in the Acolyte series and eventually get his own, I’d say any chance of this remake being anything like it’s predecessor is shot. He’ll be a predefined character and there won’t be any RPG elements, or at least none worth noting. In which case I'll not only not get it, I'll actively discourage others as well.
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Post by sentinel87 on Apr 22, 2021 19:11:09 GMT
It does look like the rumor is that Revan will appear in hologram form. That's fine to me as long as Revan doesn't speak or they can alter the voice so you cant' tell if it's male or female and it's from Revans time leading the Sith against the Republic right before the start of KOTOR. The rumor also says there may be a series. If that's the case I think they will have to make Revan a specific character thus alienating fans who have their own Revan. I really don't want a Revan series. Just a mention or a brief appearance in hologram form is awesome, anything else will hurt the character and the Star Wars universe to me. This bugs me because I know there have to be people who love KOTOR in Disney and know it's an RPG in which the player makes their own choices but they are going to be pushed to put out whatever makes the most money.
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Post by chris2365 on Apr 22, 2021 21:18:04 GMT
It does look like the rumor is that Revan will appear in hologram form. That's fine to me as long as Revan doesn't speak or they can alter the voice so you cant' tell if it's male or female and it's from Revans time leading the Sith against the Republic right before the start of KOTOR. The rumor also says there may be a series. If that's the case I think they will have to make Revan a specific character thus alienating fans who have their own Revan. I really don't want a Revan series. Just a mention or a brief appearance in hologram form is awesome, anything else will hurt the character and the Star Wars universe to me. This bugs me because I know there have to be people who love KOTOR in Disney and know it's an RPG in which the player makes their own choices but they are going to be pushed to put out whatever makes the most money. At first I thought Revan would be appearing as a holographic form in the new remake, and I got very concerned haha. Would be nice if he got a cameo in the new Acolyte TV show! As far as canonizing Revan's gender and appearance goes, I am torn. On the one hand, KOTOR is an RPG, and everyone should be free to wish that their choices for Revan and the story get reflected as much as possible. On the other hand, Revan has been designated in old canon (legends) as a man with a long flow since the mid 2000's, via books and eventually SWTOR. This has been his image since then, and Revan has continued to remain a popular character during this time. I doubt Disney would want to mess with what fans are already used to. From a practical point of view as well, it would be impossible to give Revan anything more than cameos if we had to leave his gender ambiguous. I am personally fine with Revan's appearance and voice in SWTOR. If I had the choice between ambiguous Revan who does not appear in any content besides the remake, or a canonized Revan who could feature more prominently in TV, movies or games, I would opt for the canonized option. Even if the decision was between an ambiguous Revan or a canon female Revan, I would prefer the canon option, even though that's not my preferred option, just so that there is certainty and continuity between the shows or films she would appear in. I agree that canonizing is the option that would allow Disney to profit the most, but it would impossible to feature Revan's character in-depth in any other medium without canonizing him in the first place.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 23, 2021 20:18:56 GMT
I'd be OK with them decanonizing SWTOR, myself.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 23, 2021 21:24:28 GMT
It does look like the rumor is that Revan will appear in hologram form. That's fine to me as long as Revan doesn't speak or they can alter the voice so you cant' tell if it's male or female and it's from Revans time leading the Sith against the Republic right before the start of KOTOR. The rumor also says there may be a series. If that's the case I think they will have to make Revan a specific character thus alienating fans who have their own Revan. I really don't want a Revan series. Just a mention or a brief appearance in hologram form is awesome, anything else will hurt the character and the Star Wars universe to me. This bugs me because I know there have to be people who love KOTOR in Disney and know it's an RPG in which the player makes their own choices but they are going to be pushed to put out whatever makes the most money. At first I thought Revan would be appearing as a holographic form in the new remake, and I got very concerned haha. Would be nice if he got a cameo in the new Acolyte TV show! As far as canonizing Revan's gender and appearance goes, I am torn. On the one hand, KOTOR is an RPG, and everyone should be free to wish that their choices for Revan and the story get reflected as much as possible. On the other hand, Revan has been designated in old canon (legends) as a man with a long flow since the mid 2000's, via books and eventually SWTOR. This has been his image since then, and Revan has continued to remain a popular character during this time. I doubt Disney would want to mess with what fans are already used to. *looks at the sequel trilogy* Ummmmm...
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Post by Iakus on Apr 23, 2021 21:24:58 GMT
I'd be OK with them decanonizing SWTOR, myself. I consider SWTOR its own canon. But then I don't consider Disney Wars canon at all.
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Post by azarhal on Apr 23, 2021 21:43:39 GMT
I'd be OK with them decanonizing SWTOR, myself. I consider SWTOR its own canon. But then I don't consider Disney Wars canon at all. I'm not the only one! As for SWTOR , it was always its own canons. Yes with a "s". Base game had all class stories happening in the same universe, but after that only one "class" advanced per faction and since Ossus Republic and Imperial are in parallel universes as the events can't happens at the same time.
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Post by luketrevelyan on Apr 23, 2021 22:44:43 GMT
I've always thought it is better for video games to have their own canon rather than be confined to the limitations of the movies, books, etc. Part of this is because there are things that benefit video games, like playing as a Jedi or using certain force powers, that may be fun but not necessarily fit the canon rules or time period strictly. And often in video games you are going to do more outrageous things than other media simply because that is enjoyable.
KOTOR had the advantage of being in a largely undefined (outside some comics) time period so they could do their own thing. Let's not try to make that fit into everything else. It doesn't need to. Part of the fun is having multiple endings and outcomes. Making anything canon will only take away from that.
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