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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 17, 2021 4:48:20 GMT
Quiero aprovechar para condenar de nuevo, desde el fondo de mi alma y de mis visceras, al estado de... oh wait, wrong thread, wrong forum... what is this? oh, right... Err... make everyone bisexual, no one whines that way (seemed to work for Larian, at least). Or don't put any romance whatsoever, it only works to deepen a character arc (if it's done in a tasteful way) and you could replace it with more character building in other ways. 🐳 Also, no one should burst a blood vessel because their pixelated LI didn't have massive boobs, cocks, butts, balls, high explosive anti tank rounds, whatever... or if you get a fade-to-black instead a of a 10 min 2D porno... jeez fuck it's just a game... fucking hell.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 17, 2021 16:35:00 GMT
I always find it so cringeworthy when people just can't ignore others discussing and caring about something they aren't personally interested in, and have to make some kind of snarky meta-commentary to make sure everybody knows how above it all they totally are. Because obviously they don't have interests and fascinations and issues of their own they like to talk about in-depth, that that logic could just as easily be applied to. "Why are you guys even talking about video games? You're just sitting in front of a screen looking at pixels! You people are all neeeeeeeeerds."
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Post by Sanunes on May 17, 2021 18:36:44 GMT
Quiero aprovechar para condenar de nuevo, desde el fondo de mi alma y de mis visceras, al estado de... oh wait, wrong thread, wrong forum... what is this? oh, right... Err... make everyone bisexual, no one whines that way (seemed to work for Larian, at least). Or don't put any romance whatsoever, it only works to deepen a character arc (if it's done in a tasteful way) and you could replace it with more character building in other ways. 🐳 Also, no one should burst a blood vessel because their pixelated LI didn't have massive boobs, cocks, butts, balls, high explosive anti tank rounds, whatever... or if you get a fade-to-black instead a of a 10 min 2D porno... jeez fuck it's just a game... fucking hell. Plenty of whines about "Playersexual" NPCs in Dragon Age 2.
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I Present to You, a Story, in gif...stuff not even a month and I have created two of the greatest threads I have ever done. your post made me die laughing
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2021 20:41:32 GMT
I replayed Dream Daddy a few months ago. It has no story beyond 'go on gay dates to advance time' and the setting is just some random suburban neighborhood, and it's so full of beautiful life-affirming gay love that I started seeing eggplants on the backs of my eyelids when I closed my eyes, and it's one of my favorite games. What does that mean, going by this magical exercise of yours? Am I a good person? And oh yeah, straight male gamers don't tend to understand what disappointment feels like, or how it feels when something isn't tailormade for your preferences, and that's clearly the main reason there aren't romance options for absolutely everybody in everything. For a moment there, I forgot that we don't experience hardship and aren't inherently capable of empathy like regular people. That's totally not an offensive assumption to make. It's so great that we have people to guide us like this. I remember a few years ago when I was having another conversation about this topic on this board, and it ended (for my part) when someone was complaining about Bioware romances not being split evenly down the line of sexual orientations 'to make sure everybody had the same amount of options'. When I asked why asexuals weren't present in their lineups of valid orientations deserving of an equal share of all these hypothetical romances, the response was essentially 'there aren't that many of those people compared to us, it'd be dumb to waste development time on them'. That's pretty much when I just stopped caring about "representation" as a concept in entertainment. It's inherently hypocritical. And the dumbest thing is that mechanically, implementing asexuality as an option in games with existing romances would be almost effortless, and wouldn't just cater to asexuals. I could name plenty of Bioware romances where committing to a relationship while holding off on sex at the very least during the events of the game would make perfect sense as a character choice, and where I actually missed that option. But no, they're just a little too small a fraction of a percent of the human population compared to the other orientations to qualify for the same "representation" rights, so why would anyone feel the same level of obligation to advocate for them? This is actually really cool- to both you and SirSourpuss for roleplaying this way. It is rare straight men will have anything to do with gay stuff, let alone play as a gay character romancing other men, or even in your case go out of your way to play a gay game that's not well known. You win good person award. Also, Robert off Dream Daddy is like a burnt marshmallow and I love it. Big swoon. I do think AAA games need more screen-time of other sexualities, disabilities and cultures regardless of whether there's a big or small amount of people that fit those categories in the player-base. People everywhere need to see asexuals, among other minorities, and playing one or having a squaddie as one helps all of us learn and, hopefully if done right, understand these people better. Games are fun and entertaining, but hopefully educational and fulfilling too. So you agree that there should be paizuri representation in video games?
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 17, 2021 22:01:11 GMT
Not quite what i meant, i said that no one should burst a blood vessel over this. Now, how you like them pixels? Quiero aprovechar para condenar de nuevo, desde el fondo de mi alma y de mis visceras, al estado de... oh wait, wrong thread, wrong forum... what is this? oh, right... Err... make everyone bisexual, no one whines that way (seemed to work for Larian, at least). Or don't put any romance whatsoever, it only works to deepen a character arc (if it's done in a tasteful way) and you could replace it with more character building in other ways. 🐳 Also, no one should burst a blood vessel because their pixelated LI didn't have massive boobs, cocks, butts, balls, high explosive anti tank rounds, whatever... or if you get a fade-to-black instead a of a 10 min 2D porno... jeez fuck it's just a game... fucking hell. Plenty of whines about "Playersexual" NPCs in Dragon Age 2. Oh.... there's no pleasing anyone these days...
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Post by Sanunes on May 17, 2021 22:54:41 GMT
Not quite what i meant, i said that no one should burst a blood vessel over this. Now, how you like them pixels? Plenty of whines about "Playersexual" NPCs in Dragon Age 2. Oh.... there's no pleasing anyone these days... Yeah, back when David Gaider had his Tumbr blog he once posted he wished he could make a game without the romances and feels players misunderstood how the romantic NPCs worked because they had meta knowledge and weren't looking at it as the protagonist did at the time. Personally after all the people constantly complaining about how BioWare does the romances I am hoping BioWare just drops them and replaces them with a non-romantic interactions. So be more like the event with Garrus on the Citadel where you go shooting targets and talking, during that you can then allow Garrus to win or lose. To me that interaction meant more to me as a player then any of the romantic style interactions in any of the Mass Effect games. So you can still even have dinner with them, but maybe instead of leading to sex it was just about the comradery of two people who have experienced combat together. Go on a planet bring a flamethrower and have a meal while talking about personal histories and experiences still works even if it doesn't have the eventual implied sexual relations. At least that is my opinion on the matter.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 17, 2021 23:01:32 GMT
Not quite what i meant, i said that no one should burst a blood vessel over this. Now, how you like them pixels? Oh.... there's no pleasing anyone these days... Yeah, back when David Gaider had his Tumbr blog he once posted he wished he could make a game without the romances and feels players misunderstood how the romantic NPCs worked because they had meta knowledge and weren't looking at it as the protagonist did at the time. Personally after all the people constantly complaining about how BioWare does the romances I am hoping BioWare just drops them and replaces them with a non-romantic interactions. So be more like the event with Garrus on the Citadel where you go shooting targets and talking, during that you can then allow Garrus to win or lose. To me that interaction meant more to me as a player then any of the romantic style interactions in any of the Mass Effect games. So you can still even have dinner with them, but maybe instead of leading to sex it was just about the comradery of two people who have experienced combat together. Go on a planet bring a flamethrower and have a meal while talking about personal histories and experiences still works even if it doesn't have the eventual implied sexual relations. At least that is my opinion on the matter. Hiding character development behind romances, seriously damages the narrative perspective of some arcs. Jack's for example. It doesn't make sense without her romance.
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Post by Noxluxe on May 18, 2021 7:21:33 GMT
Not quite what i meant, i said that no one should burst a blood vessel over this. Yes, I'm sure we'll all remember you and feel very grateful for your warning the day someone finally bursts a vessel while having a perfectly calm chat about video game sex and romances. You just sit around and wait for that moment, it'll be great. And yes, that was very clearly exactly what you meant. Hiding character development behind romances, seriously damages the narrative perspective of some arcs. Jack's for example. It doesn't make sense without her romance. I always thought that romancing her undermined her arc by making it seem like all she needed was someone's shoulder to cry on or to bang rocks with. Makes much more sense to me that it's the mission and being part of a team who aren't just out for themselves, who actually have her back and enable her to do something really important and heroic that inspires her to start caring more, giving others a chance and taking on more responsibility. Same for, say, Morrigan, where the character's journey is much more poignant if it's spurred by friendship and camaraderie than sex and romance. I've never noticed that not romancing a character made me resent not getting to experience parts of their character arc. Maybe Zevran a bit? But the traumas he's dealing with are very much romantic in nature, and it makes sense in context that he wouldn't be comfortable volunteering them. And it certainly makes romancing him a treat. DA2's approach is convenient in-game, but it also always felt like it weakened the NPCs to be designed to love any possible player character, even whether they liked or hated them. There's very little actual romance about any of the romances in that game, among other things because the writing can't accommodate typical gendered romantic scenarios like Alistair and his hopeless flower thing. Inquisition's characters having their own sexual identities made them feel much stronger and more defined, but unfortunately it also opened the braindead discussion for romantic quotas with Dorian and Sera. Not to say that I don't really like Dorian, though Sera's charms will forever be lost on me, but suddenly people started thinking everyone had a 'right' to being romantically represented in any given game just because Bioware gave them a foot in the door. Personally I really wish they would stop feeling compelled to pander to groups and just write good characters and romances who actually fit naturally in the settings their stories take places in. Imagine that.
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Post by Gwydden on May 18, 2021 13:17:00 GMT
Yeah, back when David Gaider had his Tumbr blog he once posted he wished he could make a game without the romances and feels players misunderstood how the romantic NPCs worked because they had meta knowledge and weren't looking at it as the protagonist did at the time. Personally after all the people constantly complaining about how BioWare does the romances I am hoping BioWare just drops them and replaces them with a non-romantic interactions. So be more like the event with Garrus on the Citadel where you go shooting targets and talking, during that you can then allow Garrus to win or lose. To me that interaction meant more to me as a player then any of the romantic style interactions in any of the Mass Effect games. So you can still even have dinner with them, but maybe instead of leading to sex it was just about the comradery of two people who have experienced combat together. Go on a planet bring a flamethrower and have a meal while talking about personal histories and experiences still works even if it doesn't have the eventual implied sexual relations. At least that is my opinion on the matter. I kind of dislike that Garrus scene. Letting him win the contest feels incredibly condescending yet it is flagged as the Paragon option. Plus it bothers me that Shepard is guaranteed to win no matter what even if their class would suggest otherwise. PLUS I'm not entirely sold on Garrus as the designated best buddy. PLUS PLUS my notion of a good time couldn't be farther removed from drinking beer and playing with guns. A better Garrus scene in ME3 is when Shepard and him are discussing the aftermath of the Tuchanka arc. Damn war indeed, Garrus.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on May 18, 2021 14:37:48 GMT
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Post by Noxluxe on May 18, 2021 17:16:00 GMT
I kind of dislike that Garrus scene. Letting him win the contest feels incredibly condescending yet it is flagged as the Paragon option. Plus it bothers me that Shepard is guaranteed to win no matter what even if their class would suggest otherwise. PLUS I'm not entirely sold on Garrus as the designated best buddy. PLUS PLUS my notion of a good time couldn't be farther removed from drinking beer and playing with guns. A better Garrus scene in ME3 is when Shepard and him are discussing the aftermath of the Tuchanka arc. Damn war indeed, Garrus. I agree in principle on the condescending thing, but it helps that you're not exactly doing it to make him feel better about his skill with a sniper rifle, since he's one of the best in the galaxy and knows it perfectly well. And really, shooting at two bottles says absolutely nothing about who's the best between the two of them, and they must both realize that as professional marksmen. In my mind they're really just joking around and having a bit of fun. And if we're just messing around then sure, I'll take a fall so Garrus can get to lord it over me and rib my improvised commercials. Don't think I've ever actually hit that bottle even once. I've never mixed actual guns with alcohol because of sane government regulations, but I did once attend a journeyman's feast where we went a little nuts on the guy's lawn furniture and a bit of the surrounding forest with a couple of his chainsaws. It was pretty awesome. Maybe guns and booze are more fun than you think. And yeah, the post-Tuchanka discussion with him is lovely. He has a very touching chat with you if either of you had to shoot Kaiden or Ashley too.
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Post by Carcharoth on May 18, 2021 19:09:04 GMT
Quiero aprovechar para condenar de nuevo, desde el fondo de mi alma y de mis visceras, al estado de... oh wait, wrong thread, wrong forum... what is this? oh, right... Err... make everyone bisexual, no one whines that way (seemed to work for Larian, at least). Or don't put any romance whatsoever, it only works to deepen a character arc (if it's done in a tasteful way) and you could replace it with more character building in other ways. 🐳 Also, no one should burst a blood vessel because their pixelated LI didn't have massive boobs, cocks, butts, balls, high explosive anti tank rounds, whatever... or if you get a fade-to-black instead a of a 10 min 2D porno... jeez fuck it's just a game... fucking hell. Plenty of whines about "Playersexual" NPCs in Dragon Age 2. I didn't care for it, but understand it's necessity with the limited time they had to make DA2. I'd argue that Jaal was the first real playersexual character, since they only made him bi after launch in order to fill a quota. Would still like to see them try to write a game without any player romances though.
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Post by Sanunes on May 18, 2021 19:54:23 GMT
Plenty of whines about "Playersexual" NPCs in Dragon Age 2. I didn't care for it, but understand it's necessity with the limited time they had to make DA2. I'd argue that Jaal was the first real playersexual character, since they only made him bi after launch in order to fill a quota. Would still like to see them try to write a game without any player romances though. While I see what you are saying, players themselves called the romances in Dragon Age 2 "playersexual" back when it was launched because the sexuality of the NPCs changed based on the gender of Hawke.
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Post by Carcharoth on May 18, 2021 20:21:21 GMT
I didn't care for it, but understand it's necessity with the limited time they had to make DA2. I'd argue that Jaal was the first real playersexual character, since they only made him bi after launch in order to fill a quota. Would still like to see them try to write a game without any player romances though. While I see what you are saying, players themselves called the romances in Dragon Age 2 "playersexual" back when it was launched because the sexuality of the NPCs changed based on the gender of Hawke. Technically just Anders, and only in leaving out the details of his relationship with Karl(?) if you played femhawke. I know. I used the term too. Mostly because Gaider hated it. I don't think it applied to the other characters though.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 18, 2021 22:59:13 GMT
With the DA2 characters, yes BIoware considers them all bisexual. There might be exceptions, for example Sheryl Chee says it is valid to see Merrill as demisexual, but they do not consider them playersexual. They also never want to do the all bi thing again.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 26, 2021 1:08:07 GMT
Look, nobody's upset about how straight men they like-a the titties. The problem is when they chuck their pissy little diaper-baby tantrums because they didn't *get* titties. Or because the jawline is "manly", or because she has a scar, or because she wears full plate armour instead of a leather thong with a dime on the front.
If all you want is to ogle a big, bouncing pair of impossibreasts, you already have a lot of options. You can go play those games right now, instead of having a big sookie-la-la at developers who make the creative choice to be a tad more realistic.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 26, 2021 1:14:17 GMT
Look, nobody's upset about how straight men they like-a the titties. The problem is when they chuck their pissy little diaper-baby tantrums because they didn't *get* titties. Or because the jawline is "manly", or because she has a scar, or because she wears full plate armour instead of a leather thong with a dime on the front. I had none of those problems with, obviously, Cassandra. She wasn't interesting, she wasn't charming and she wasn't fun.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 28, 2021 2:56:30 GMT
Look, nobody's upset about how straight men they like-a the titties. The problem is when they chuck their pissy little diaper-baby tantrums because they didn't *get* titties. Or because the jawline is "manly", or because she has a scar, or because she wears full plate armour instead of a leather thong with a dime on the front. I had none of those problems with, obviously, Cassandra. She wasn't interesting, she wasn't charming and she wasn't fun. If you didn't have those problems, then I'm not talking about you. I didn't say all men are like this, obviously.
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Post by Heimdall on May 28, 2021 13:55:23 GMT
Look, nobody's upset about how straight men they like-a the titties. Well, I’m not sure that’s true strictly speaking. There’s no shortage of people you can find on Twitter who will complain about a sexy female character design and occasionally you’ll find someone “fixing” the design by redrawing them. But maybe the lesson there is to stay away from Twitter.
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Post by Sanunes on May 28, 2021 19:10:42 GMT
Look, nobody's upset about how straight men they like-a the titties. Well, I’m not sure that’s true strictly speaking. There’s no shortage of people you can find on Twitter who will complain about a sexy female character design and occasionally you’ll find someone “fixing” the design by redrawing them. But maybe the lesson there is to stay away from Twitter. Sadly its probably a lesson to stay away from the majority of places on the internet.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 28, 2021 22:09:42 GMT
Look, nobody's upset about how straight men they like-a the titties. Well, I’m not sure that’s true strictly speaking. There’s no shortage of people you can find on Twitter who will complain about a sexy female character design and occasionally you’ll find someone “fixing” the design by redrawing them. But maybe the lesson there is to stay away from Twitter. Well, "straight men liking titties", as the OP essentially phrases it, is not, as far as I understand the argument, the problem in and of itself. The presentation of women in a way that encourages objectification of them, and the link between that and the hostility towards women in the "gamer" community is definitely a problem, assuming one agrees that women do in fact deserve to play games and feel safe and welcome.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 28, 2021 22:39:17 GMT
The presentation of women in a way that encourages objectification of them, and the link between that and the hostility towards women in the "gamer" community is definitely a problem, assuming one agrees that women do in fact deserve to play games and feel safe and welcome. I'm not aware of this. In any MMO I've ever played, the moment anyone says "I'm a girl", the entire server drops all of its loot at her feet. We don't even know what she may look like. The amount of simping toward women from the male gaming community is just surreal.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 28, 2021 22:49:38 GMT
The presentation of women in a way that encourages objectification of them, and the link between that and the hostility towards women in the "gamer" community is definitely a problem, assuming one agrees that women do in fact deserve to play games and feel safe and welcome. I'm not aware of this. In any MMO I've ever played, the moment anyone says "I'm a girl", the entire server drops all of its loot at her feet. We don't even know what she may look like. The amount of simping toward women from the male gaming community is just surreal. "Simping" is not actually an indicator of genuine respect for women, though, no matter how much people who use the term might conflate the two. Giving gifts to a woman out of hope or expectation that she will engage with you romantically or sexually is, in fact, still symptomatic of a profound sense of entitlement over women's bodies, and a complete disregard of their actual feelings. And I don't see how you can possibly be unaware of hostility towards women in games. It is not at all difficult, assuming you try at all, to find stories of women being harassed in online games, and even in person at gaming-related events like tournaments and conventions, including threats of physical violence and rape. The "gamer" community is also notoriously racist and homophobic. I suppose you disavow all knowledge of that, too.
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Post by SirSourpuss on May 28, 2021 23:17:41 GMT
Giving gifts to a woman out of hope or expectation that she will engage with you romantically or sexually is, in fact, still symptomatic of a profound sense of entitlement over women's bodies, and a complete disregard of their actual feelings. Actually, nobody expects any sexual gratification by it. Just being in the company is enough. At least, for the 5-6 MMOs that I played for ... 15 years or something. And sure, there's flirting and teasing, but only to the extent anyone feels comfortable. And sometimes, yeah, it does go bigger. Some people did meet through MMOs and got married. I think it's wonderful, really. And I don't see how you can possibly be unaware of hostility towards women in games. It is not at all difficult, assuming you try at all, to find stories of women being harassed in online games, and even in person at gaming-related events like tournaments and conventions, including threats of physical violence and rape. I'm sure it happens, it happens in literally everything, everywhere. But to make it sound like it is the norm, it's just not true. The "gamer" community is also notoriously racist and homophobic. I suppose you disavow all knowledge of that, too. I've played with people from all walks of life. I once was on a party with an Israeli and a Palestinian and that was during the previous bombings of Gaza in ... 2004? Somewhere around then. And, you know, I kept bumping into these two dudes together very often, after that. I've also partied with Mexicans, Brazilians, Americans, Canadians, Russians, a Greek and a Turk in the same party. I'm not going to tell you that there aren't racists and bigots in the gaming community. They exist in every community. I sincerely disagree that this is as much of a norm as you make it out to be.
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