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Full disclosure: I remain the guy that, at 49, the kids still come to me with technology issues. I am the family nerd. What this does not mean is that I am an expert in any of this - I have pockets of relevant knowledge either due to my long exposure to computing environments, or because I configure LANs often as part of my job - so I am competent, not expert. I expect there are people here I can learn a lot from, and maybe share interesting things we've done at home to make things "better", whatever that means to the individual. I am not happy with my current home network, in both function and appearance. My modem, goofy gaming wifi router, HDHomeRun and the UPS for them, are all "on display" in the entertainment furniture. I want to reduce the clutter, so I am looking at in-wall cabinets that I can put most of this junk, in the wall, in the basement. These are called SMC, structured media cabinets/enclosures (see link 1 below) , and are made large enough to put a modem, wired-only router, and HDHomeRun into. They can have a wired outlet in the bottom, which I would actually wire to an inlet on the wall which could be powered by the current UPS, which I have to figure out a shelf for or something... a headscratcher for me here. Part of this is brought on by aging equipment. My router is no longer receiving firmware updates from Asus, Merlin or Tomato. It is too old, and honestly it hasn't been great for a while. I want something more robust, and I have found it. pfSense is the software, and I could build my own device but it would probably be too large for my intended placement. So, I am looking at the Netgate SG-2100 Max (link 2 in spoilers at bottom). This is a device that has lots of features and capabilities far beyond my knowledge level tbh, so there will be a learning curve and as always my concern is being able to keep up for just a little while longer. Finally, this means I still need a wireless network. I do not need any routing from the wireless, so the device I choose can dedicate its energy solely to wifi signal and let the Netgate handle the more intense calculations. Currently, I have the Asus AC3200 serving as router and main wifi, and my old DLink DIR 655 in my basement in AP mode. A modern solution is much better here, because there is no seamless transition between the two wifi networks. That modern solution is Mesh. Not 100% on this choice yet, but I am angling towards the TP-Link Deco M5. They come in packs of two or three, and you can add on more down the road should your coverage needs expand (link 3). ... I would appreciate any input, advice, cautionary tales, or jokes! I would appreciate even more photos of your setup, or ideas you have, because I haven't started any of this yet and am still in the "paralysis by analysis" phase  Product Links: 1 - Leviton 28in SMC - 2 - Netgate SG-2100 Max - 3 - TP-Link Deco M5 2-pack - |
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Post by skekSil on Jun 20, 2021 19:50:25 GMT
Jesus Christ 128 bucks for a metal box.
Just a precaution, but dont put your Wifi inside it.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 21, 2021 13:42:08 GMT
I have a similar problem, but haven't had time to really think about it. My two cents: If you like Asus, don't expect the same kind of quality from TP-link. I've only had one TP-link router and it was terribad. Luckily I got it for free, so the damage was minimal. I would use the Netgate SG-2100 as a firewall only and get something like this for the mesh: Asus ZenWiFi AX6600But that's just me and Asus is more expensive. cautionary tales, or jokes! What skekSil said, don't put wifi in a metal box, you are gonna have bad time.  Honestly, my neighbour did just that and asked me to take a look at it. One of the quickest troubleshoots ever! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2021 14:05:28 GMT
Hehe, here we go!
Netgate SG2100 is a wired-only router. Most of my network is wired, only the phones, laptops and IoT use wifi. It's routing capabilities destroy any Asus product. That router will be in the box.
Interesting feedback on TPLink, I was choosing that mostly on aesthetics and feedback, as again Wifi is the least important part of my network. I will look at that Asus mesh, and am by no means sold on any of this other than the SG2100.
Yeah, $128 for a metal box in the wall seems dumb. I am considering just fabbing my own.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 21, 2021 14:35:01 GMT
Hehe, here we go! Netgate SG2100 is a wired-only router. Most of my network is wired, only the phones, laptops and IoT use wifi. It's routing capabilities destroy any Asus product. That router will be in the box. Interesting feedback on TPLink, I was choosing that mostly on aesthetics and feedback, as again Wifi is the least important part of my network. I will look at that Asus mesh, and am by no means sold on any of this other than the SG2100. Yeah, $128 for a metal box in the wall seems dumb. I am considering just fabbing my own. Yes, I'm running a very much wired network myself, but I need a better wifi coverage.
You may want to check what your local building code requirements are for telecom boxes, especially if you mount it inside a wall.
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Hehe, here we go! Netgate SG2100 is a wired-only router. Most of my network is wired, only the phones, laptops and IoT use wifi. It's routing capabilities destroy any Asus product. That router will be in the box. Interesting feedback on TPLink, I was choosing that mostly on aesthetics and feedback, as again Wifi is the least important part of my network. I will look at that Asus mesh, and am by no means sold on any of this other than the SG2100. Yeah, $128 for a metal box in the wall seems dumb. I am considering just fabbing my own. Yes, I'm running a very much wired network myself, but I need a better wifi coverage.
You may want to check what your local building code requirements are for telecom boxes, especially if you mount it inside a wall.
Certified electrician here, gotta follow code, especially in my own home. I only improve  I want a seamless handoff from upstairs/downstairs/outside. Initially I will just use my existing routers as APs, but eventually I want something easier to hide in the decor. Tired of looking at things that remind me of work at home. |
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Post by skekSil on Jun 21, 2021 18:01:27 GMT
Netgate SG2100 is a wired-only router. Most of my network is wired, only the phones, laptops and IoT use wifi. "Most of my network"? How large is it? I mean its a residential building why would you need more than one or two connections? |
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Netgate SG2100 is a wired-only router. Most of my network is wired, only the phones, laptops and IoT use wifi. "Most of my network"? How large is it? I mean its a residential building why would you need more than one or two connections? Because I prefer hard wired connections through keystones, and don't want exposed wire everywhere. Running new wire in the wall is easy for me. I have my desktop, my lab PC, my HTPC, a Shield ATV, BD player, my AVR, basement AVR, two printers, PS3 Pi-Hole and Synology DS218+ all hard wired. Not a ton of devices, but larger than average for the number of power users (1, lol). I wired the house for ethernet, and can relocate my main switch quite easily. I have ports in 5 rooms, and three of them have switches with multiple wired devices. I also have anout 600' left of a cat6 spool and plenty of connectors should I need to fish a new line/replacement anywhere. It isn't a huge house, 2500sq ft, but terrible wifi in basement without a second AP. Thus the desire for mesh, so it is all actually one network. |
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Post by ALTBOULI on Jun 22, 2021 23:38:54 GMT
Mesh wife's are supposed to be good but generally their a bit overkill for most homes and the prices can be high. Stupid question but have you looked powerline adapters? Your connection effectively goes through the electrical wiring in your house and their fairly modular meaning you can add more down the line if you need them, some come with 1 or more ethernet ports as well as acting like a WiFi spot. www.amazon.co.uk/TL-WPA4220KIT-Powerline-Broadband-Configuration-UK/dp/B01LXOZ4EN/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=powerline+adapter&qid=1624404584&sprefix=powerline&sr=8-2Ultimately it depends on the quality of your electrical wiring in ur home, I know at least in the UK older homes can have pretty bad electrical wiring meaning this isn't the best option. I was having issues in my new home with getting a connection upstairs due to the number of flaws and the thickness of the walls preventing a connection straight from my router. Was seriously contemplating investing in a mesh system before Ultimately taking a stab with powerline adapters, thankfully for me the adapters have worked out quite well so I did need to spend the kind of money needed on a mesh system |
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Mesh wife's are supposed to be good but generally their a bit overkill for most homes and the prices can be high. Stupid question but have you looked powerline adapters? Your connection effectively goes through the electrical wiring in your house and their fairly modular meaning you can add more down the line if you need them, some come with 1 or more ethernet ports as well as acting like a WiFi spot. www.amazon.co.uk/TL-WPA4220KIT-Powerline-Broadband-Configuration-UK/dp/B01LXOZ4EN/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=powerline+adapter&qid=1624404584&sprefix=powerline&sr=8-2Ultimately it depends on the quality of your electrical wiring in ur home, I know at least in the UK older homes can have pretty bad electrical wiring meaning this isn't the best option. I was having issues in my new home with getting a connection upstairs due to the number of flaws and the thickness of the walls preventing a connection straight from my router. Was seriously contemplating investing in a mesh system before Ultimately taking a stab with powerline adapters, thankfully for me the adapters have worked out quite well so I did need to spend the kind of money needed on a mesh system Mesh WiFi is totally worth it. The house that I'm currently living in is two-story and mesh WiFi is probably the most reliable system I have ever used. They are easy to set up and they just work. I'm using the Linksys Velop Mesh WiFi system for my wireless devices...  ...and a cheap D-Link Ethernet over powerline kit for my home theater PC.  Unfortunately you won't know if the Ethernet over powerline works for your home's wiring until you try it yourself. My house is over 30 years old and I'm lucky that the D-Link kit just works perfectly.
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Post by ALTBOULI on Jun 23, 2021 2:42:19 GMT
Mesh wife's are supposed to be good but generally their a bit overkill for most homes and the prices can be high. Stupid question but have you looked powerline adapters? Your connection effectively goes through the electrical wiring in your house and their fairly modular meaning you can add more down the line if you need them, some come with 1 or more ethernet ports as well as acting like a WiFi spot. www.amazon.co.uk/TL-WPA4220KIT-Powerline-Broadband-Configuration-UK/dp/B01LXOZ4EN/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=powerline+adapter&qid=1624404584&sprefix=powerline&sr=8-2Ultimately it depends on the quality of your electrical wiring in ur home, I know at least in the UK older homes can have pretty bad electrical wiring meaning this isn't the best option. I was having issues in my new home with getting a connection upstairs due to the number of flaws and the thickness of the walls preventing a connection straight from my router. Was seriously contemplating investing in a mesh system before Ultimately taking a stab with powerline adapters, thankfully for me the adapters have worked out quite well so I did need to spend the kind of money needed on a mesh system Mesh WiFi is totally worth it. The house that I'm currently living in is two-story and mesh WiFi is probably the most reliable system I have ever used. They are easy to set up and they just work. I'm using the Linksys Velop Mesh WiFi system for my wireless devices... ...and a cheap D-Link Ethernet over powerline kit for my home theater PC. Unfortunately you won't know if the Ethernet over powerline works for your home's wiring until you try it yourself. My house is over 30 years old and I'm lucky that the D-Link kit just works perfectly. Mesh WiFi isn't necessarily worth it though, like I was eluding to in many cases its overkill, look at the average square foot of a US/UK home then look at the quotes for mesh WiFi typically covers in square feet. Their generally considerd high-end, heavy duty solution more for offices/mansions and their price typically matches this. In many cases a powerline adapter would cover a person's needs. I live in a house thats 4 story, is over a hundred years old and in a few places has extremely thick walls but 3 powerline adapters is enough to cover the areas I need. 1 set of powerline adapters cost me around £25, thats roughly $34, hardly breaking the bank, especially in comparison to a mesh WiFi system that can easily be in the hundreds of dollars. OP My advice would be to try out a powerline adapter and see how it fairs, if it doesn't satisfy your needs then potentially look at investing in a mesh WiFi system |
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 23, 2021 9:44:48 GMT
Certified electrician here, gotta follow code, especially in my own home. I only improve  I want a seamless handoff from upstairs/downstairs/outside. Initially I will just use my existing routers as APs, but eventually I want something easier to hide in the decor. Tired of looking at things that remind me of work at home. Funnily enough, I'm L2 certified (European); it's a long story.
That's probably why you chose the TP-Link Deco M5. I can appreciate it's slim profile.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 23, 2021 9:59:44 GMT
I prefer hard wired connections through keystones, and don't want exposed wire everywhere. Hear hear! Not a ton of devices, but larger than average My setup is similar, although half of my devices are PCs. I've also wired our house myself. My basic topology is: firewall router switch wifi I'm fairly pleased with, but the wifi needs an update.
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 23, 2021 10:07:59 GMT
I'm using the Linksys Velop Mesh WiFi system I'm thinkin it's either that or the Asus ZenWiFi AX. But I'm going to need three of those things to get a better coverage. |
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 23, 2021 10:16:18 GMT
heavy duty solution more for offices/mansions Well I wasn't too concerned about the wifi, but then came the pandemic and working from home. Suddenly I have to have an office quality wifi at home, capable of live video feeds. |
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Post by ALTBOULI on Jun 23, 2021 11:00:58 GMT
heavy duty solution more for offices/mansions Well I wasn't too concerned about the wifi, but then came the pandemic and working from home. Suddenly I have to have an office quality wifi at home, capable of live video feeds. You can have that with a powerline adapter,I have had the flexibility to work from home from time to time even before the pandemic and its been a fine for me, maybe someone who has to regularly download 4k videos or do a lot of graphics design uploading/downloading might have more issues but I went from having 0.01mbs without a powerline adapter to 30-40mbs. I'm supposed to be getting around 200mbs but due to thick walls and a poor router it drops off significantly just by going to the next room (becomes around 50mbs). A mesh WiFi could improve my experience but could potentially make it worse because ultimately its still wifi signals that can be obstructed resulting in much slower speeds and potentially spots where there is no connection. You still have to be careful were you place ur nodes in a mesh WiFi system. At least with a powerline adapter you can effectively bypass some of the wifi issues by sending the connection through the electrical wiring, obviously that has its own problem (some I have mentioned above). Ultimately there is no one solution that fits everybodys needs, im just saying before investing in something that could be very expensive and potentially overkill it might be worth exploring cheaper alternatives that are perhaps more suitable for ur needs |
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Post by nanotm on Jun 23, 2021 15:48:14 GMT
well I just got some long ethernet cables and a couple of 8 and 4 port switches, drilled a few holes in the wall's and ceilings and bingo every room has a hard-line connection to the router enough to give 5 rooms simultaneous iptv connections and video conferencing, hang a mirror on the wall in the lounge and pictures in the stairwells and the signal bounces up all 3 floors well enough for mobile devices to connect for less important content delivery....
about the only thing I want to replace is my billion 8800axl router that I've had for several years and only becasue they stopped supporting it.. I mean it still works fine, just havent seen anything that does the same job and is in stock without needing to purchase a separate modem...
one of the biggest problems wiht powerline connections that I found was they got saturated and dropped out too often or the signal went wonky and into the 100kbps range... and every time anything was switched on or off the signal would get funky for a few minutes because the trip detector would interfere with it, only time it didnt have an issue was between devices on the same loop but anything that crossed the circuit breaker box was troubled... newer kit might not have the same issues but I wouldn't bet on it...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2021 17:36:47 GMT
Mesh wife's are supposed to be good but generally their a bit overkill for most homes and the prices can be high. Stupid question but have you looked powerline adapters? Your connection effectively goes through the electrical wiring in your house and their fairly modular meaning you can add more down the line if you need them, some come with 1 or more ethernet ports as well as acting like a WiFi spot. www.amazon.co.uk/TL-WPA4220KIT-Powerline-Broadband-Configuration-UK/dp/B01LXOZ4EN/ref=mp_s_a_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=powerline+adapter&qid=1624404584&sprefix=powerline&sr=8-2Ultimately it depends on the quality of your electrical wiring in ur home, I know at least in the UK older homes can have pretty bad electrical wiring meaning this isn't the best option. I was having issues in my new home with getting a connection upstairs due to the number of flaws and the thickness of the walls preventing a connection straight from my router. Was seriously contemplating investing in a mesh system before Ultimately taking a stab with powerline adapters, thankfully for me the adapters have worked out quite well so I did need to spend the kind of money needed on a mesh system As someone who relies on bit-accuracy on networks at work, I can't see myself using anything that takes data from 8 wires and puts it onto two. Despite many people having good performance from powerline adapters, it is not something I want or need. I can hard wire an AP anywhere, so I am ultimately just going to buy what is cost effective, disappears into the background, and works well enough for IoT and cell phones. The Wifi is literally the least important part of any network I make - we mistrust wifi for very good reasons in my industry. Too many chances for issues, when running cat6 only takes a little more time. I have already wired the house for cat, so a Powerline adapter would just be a lesser version of work already done. But, for apartment dwellers or renters it is a fantastic option! |
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 28, 2021 12:24:10 GMT
You can have that with a powerline adapter, For sure, and if it was for me, I'd just sit at my desk and use the wired network. But it is for my wife, and she likes to roam around with her laptop. |
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Post by rewindbutton on Jun 28, 2021 12:28:08 GMT
drilled a few holes in the wall's and ceilings and bingo every room has a hard-line connection to the router Not very sophisticated, but gets the job done. I can appreciate that. |
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I love the mirror bounce of signaling, nanotm ! We do have to use a lot of wireless, and so when my boss says he wants to put the transmitter "here", I ask him if he can see the lights. When he says, "No", I say it can't go there. No matter how many times I ask this question, explain line of sight, wave behavior, traffic and collision, he still asks to put it in the black hole  So, the TPLink is still looking pretty good to me. Remember, I am not using it as a router. However, I am open to similarly priced competitive products. The SG-2100 will be doing most of the heavy lifting (DHCP, routing, firewall, VPN) with PiHole RPi4 doing DNS. I needed a more secure router to feel good about opening a port to the internet for personal cloud. pfSense is a user friendly interface; after dicking around with Unifi products at work over the last couple years those are a hard pass - no ubiquiti for me. Awful front end. |
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I also home wired my network! Ban Beerfish. This is a very serious problem for me. I am somewhat taken aback... this is an actual installation somewhere. For the love of God man, how could you do this to me? It needs a warning tag ffs! |
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Post by Beerfish on Jun 28, 2021 22:37:09 GMT
I also home wired my network! Ban Beerfish. This is a very serious problem for me. I am somewhat taken aback... this is an actual installation somewhere. For the love of God man, how could you do this to me? It needs a warning tag ffs! Oh.......you do not want to do a google search then as I had my choice of about 100 of these type of images.
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I know, I overdid it on the sensationalism There is never a time or place where that is good. Of course, some people only care about results in snapshots of time, and this kind of stuff doesn't care how it looks as long as it's plugged in properly to the correct device/pass thru. There are plenty of people that make a better living than I do, doing sloppier work than I do. I work in a results-oriented industry that gives no flarms about how the sausage gets made as long as the sausage has been made. However, my habits translate much better to other industries where sausage making is a beautiful thing that is appreciated and should be pleasing to see. I only tell the people working with/for me how to make sausage. If it works, it works, and my complaints are valid but unimportant for a temporary installation. To end this long winded response to a joke - please think of the children, don't wire your home that way. |
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