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Post by Hrungr on Nov 7, 2022 23:11:35 GMT
Jess Hara Campbell @jharacampbell#N7Day seems like the perfect day to finally spill what’s brought me back north! I am beyond thrilled to announce I am returning to @bioware as Mission Director on the next Mass Effect! Eager to return to space and craft new stories with @gamblemike, @parrish_ley and the team! 
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Post by colfoley on Nov 8, 2022 1:12:41 GMT
The destroy ending can't be canon with the Geth in play unless they are playing fast and loose.
Though it does occur to me that could be a brand new relay under construction. *hope springs eternal.
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Post by dazk on Nov 8, 2022 2:41:04 GMT
The destroy ending can't be canon with the Geth in play unless they are playing fast and loose. Though it does occur to me that could be a brand new relay under construction. *hope springs eternal. What if the Alliance or Cerberus were actually working on AI and recreated them? Or what if there were Geth in Andromeda or it didn't effect the Geth's remote database storage stations or if Star Child just lied?
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 8, 2022 3:08:37 GMT
I believe that the geth was not destroyed maybe the platforms were, in my mind the geth being programs and all they were saved from the destroy ending same being said about Edi the platform was destroyed but the programs that were Edi are still intact, that's just my theory now what Bioware has to say about it that's a different story  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2022 5:02:10 GMT
I believe that the geth was not destroyed maybe the platforms were, in my mind the geth being programs and all they were saved from the destroy ending same being said about Edi the platform was destroyed but the programs that were Edi are still intact, that's just my theory now what Bioware has to say about it that's a different story Destroy didn’t destroy platforms but programs, hence why the Reaper bodies still existed and just fell over (they basically had their souls stripped from their bodies). |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2022 5:04:58 GMT
If they go with Destroy being canon but the Geth still being alive, the simplest way to go about it is just to have some outside the Crucible’s blast radius. They did help work on it after all so had at least some idea of its capabilities. So it would be easy to say they built some massive ships (maybe their version of Arks) that flew away either between ME2 and ME3 like the AI, or sometime during the war as a contingency.
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Post by NotN7 on Nov 8, 2022 5:10:59 GMT
I believe that the geth was not destroyed maybe the platforms were, in my mind the geth being programs and all they were saved from the destroy ending same being said about Edi the platform was destroyed but the programs that were Edi are still intact, that's just my theory now what Bioware has to say about it that's a different story  Destroy didn’t destroy platforms but programs, hence why the Reaper bodies still existed and just fell over (they basically had their souls stripped from their bodies). I agree I didn't say it right (Hehe been drinking) I was referring to the programs that were uploaded in the platforms (geth and Edi) those were destroyed but not the ones that were in the data banks at least that's my belief but then again what do I know 
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2022 6:54:29 GMT
Destroy didn’t destroy platforms but programs, hence why the Reaper bodies still existed and just fell over (they basically had their souls stripped from their bodies). I agree I didn't say it right (Hehe been drinking) I was referring to the programs that were uploaded in the platforms (geth and Edi) those were destroyed but not the ones that were in the data banks at least that's my belief but then again what do I know Sadly even those wouldn’t be spared. We see that with how EDI is dead after Destroy, meaning it wiped her out both from her platform and her databanks on the Normandy. Hopefully this is all just a mental exercise on our part and they don’t actually make Destroy canon thus no need to worry about this. |
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2022 7:20:20 GMT
I say they are making a mix of both: Reapers are dead but somehow Geth survived.
At least that is what the trailer from 2021 and the video from today makes me think.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 8, 2022 10:01:30 GMT
We don’t know enough to rule any of the endings in or out, bar the refuse ending.
“The Reapers would be helping rebuild the relay if it had been a control ending” - we don’t know that this is an official/proper relay, hence the Reapers might not even know about it.
“The Geth wouldn’t be alive if it had been a destroy ending” - plenty of ways that they can contrive the Geth still being around even post-destroy.
“Everyone would have green eyes if it had been a synthesis ending” - We’ve only seen a side-view of Liara at this point, and while she didn’t look like she had green eyes, again there’s plenty of ways she could have “fixed” that, especially being the Shadowbroker.
I would suggest that they’ll try and fudge it so that it’s not clear which ending is canon but I don’t really see how they can do that. I think it will most likely be destroy, but given that synthesis was their pet project ending of choice, and Mary DeMarle’s experience in writing the story for Deus-Ex:HR, it wouldn’t surprise me if they went down that route either.
Control otoh, would offer the chance for Shepard to “be around but not really around” which could be the compromise that both sides of the Shepard argument might be able to live with.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 8, 2022 10:10:57 GMT
“Everyone would have green eyes if it had been a synthesis ending” - We’ve only seen a side-view of Liara at this point, and while she didn’t look like she had green eyes, again there’s plenty of ways she could have “fixed” that, especially being the Shadowbroker. They could also just go the route of the lines being symbolism to show the player what happened rather than everyone literally having the lines. |
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Post by themikefest on Nov 8, 2022 13:11:10 GMT
I believe that the geth was not destroyed maybe the platforms were, in my mind the geth being programs and all they were saved from the destroy ending same being said about Edi the platform was destroyed but the programs that were Edi are still intact, that's just my theory now what Bioware has to say about it that's a different story  There's nothing to prove the geth are except what thing said. It lied about the green not being forced. Why can't it be wrong about the geth? If destroy is the way ME4 appears to be headed, just have the geth still around except over the course of the game, they are headed back to what they were before having the reaper code. By the end of the game, they're back to what they were pre-Rannoch. As far as the hologram turned platform. I don't care about the thing. It's too bad there wasn't an option to throw it out the airlock. It served no purpose being a platform. I would suggest that they’ll try and fudge it so that it’s not clear which ending is canon but I don’t really see how they can do that. I think it will most likely be destroy, but given that synthesis was their pet project ending of choice, and Mary DeMarle’s experience in writing the story for Deus-Ex:HR, it wouldn’t surprise me if they went down that route either. I would have Bioware use the ending they told the player after the coup. I call it Hackett's ending. A few moments after Shepard passes out, the crucible fires the red beam of doom destroying the reapers. No magic carpet ride up to lala land. No more thing and it's nonsense. It gets rid of shoot this, jump in here and grab this. It leaves open many things that can be done that wasn't possible because of the 3, 4 with refuse, endings.
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Post by lavigne on Nov 8, 2022 15:58:32 GMT
I would have Bioware use the ending they told the player after the coup. I call it Hackett's ending. A few moments after Shepard passes out, the crucible fires the red beam of doom destroying the reapers. No magic carpet ride up to lala land. No more thing and it's nonsense. It gets rid of shoot this, jump in here and grab this. It leaves open many things that can be done that wasn't possible because of the 3, 4 with refuse, endings. I remember sitting there, Anderson had just died, I was bleeding out, the fleet was taking a pounding and our ground forces had been annihilated, and I thought to myself “Well, it can’t get any worse than this”, and then the magic carpet descended……😩 |
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Post by Storm on Nov 8, 2022 19:21:12 GMT
The Destroy ending potentially being retconned to be the world state for everyone got me thinking about the geth's survival (only thing keeping me from choosing the ending, rip EDI and Joker's mental health).
What were the geth searching for in dark space with the Kholas Array? Seeing as the array was built using reaper tech, could it sense dormant reapers still in hiding? Reaper technology being highly advanced would admittedly be reason enough to use and further shows geth's technological prowess.
Would it be annoying if the geth survived their destruction by some of them transfering themselves to a dormant reaper, making this their collective sanctuary. And by this bringing back a ghost from the past. I personally think the reaper threat should end with the OG trilogy, the Starchild killed my interest in them.
Also if the other endings are kept, the potential survival of a rogue geth collective is intriguing, however they did it. If geth are either "Shepherded" or synthesized, I'd welcome seeing how they would react to the remnants of their former selves. Same goes for late dark space emerging reapers being greeted by milky reapers.
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2022 20:09:54 GMT
They could just as easily said that the Geth and Quarians learned the energy wave would damage the Geth post Rannoch arc (they are after all supposed to be the smartest people around) and they figured out some way around to protect them.  Right now i am simply happy that they are finally going forward after the ME Trilogy ending. I just wish/hope we start getting info on a better schedule than once every year on N7Day now that Dreadwolf already passed alpha state.  |
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Post by Storm on Nov 8, 2022 20:39:35 GMT
I just wish/hope we start getting info on a better schedule than once every year on N7Day now that Dreadwolf already passed alpha state. I'm happy that studios like BioWare, Bethesda and CDPR have multiple franchises to work on, because I think creative variation is good for the mind. But as an impatient gamer I wish these studios had bolstered workforce that made them release games quicker without burnout caused by "crunch". I also hope to see more consistent ME updates. I liked the transparency and semi-regular updates we got during the development of Anthem 2.0 before it got cancelled. Wish to see the trend continued. |
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2022 21:26:41 GMT
How would have Tom figured it out already? Jess didn't made any mention about working on Bioware again until yesterday. Curious...  |
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Post by N7Pathfinder on Nov 8, 2022 22:06:02 GMT
How would have Tom figured it out already? Jess didn't made any mention about working on Bioware again until yesterday. Curious... Well she said it at the end of October, or should i say teased it that she's moving to Canada, and adding more to that gamble replied to her, then tom. I think tom knows what is going on cause he might be involved in the project before the teaser released. |
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Post by bshep on Nov 8, 2022 22:42:58 GMT
How would have Tom figured it out already? Jess didn't made any mention about working on Bioware again until yesterday. Curious... Well she said it at the end of October, or should i say teased it that she's moving to Canada, and adding more to that gamble replied to her, then tom. I think tom knows what is going on cause he might be involved in the project before the teaser released. Yeah that is also the conclusion i am inclined to believe.
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I believe that the geth was not destroyed maybe the platforms were, in my mind the geth being programs and all they were saved from the destroy ending same being said about Edi the platform was destroyed but the programs that were Edi are still intact, that's just my theory now what Bioware has to say about it that's a different story Destroy didn’t destroy platforms but programs, hence why the Reaper bodies still existed and just fell over (they basically had their souls stripped from their bodies). Reapers are not organic, they are an AI that self-determined to mine organic matter and use it in an unnatural abhorrent way. They never had a soul to begin with, so that's a big hole in your argument. Their programming is all that they were. Legions question remains - does this unit have a soul? About the Geth, I am not sure but I think it's possible. The Reapers? Ha, that's funny. |
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Post by bshep on Nov 13, 2022 23:08:52 GMT
Destroy didn’t destroy platforms but programs, hence why the Reaper bodies still existed and just fell over (they basically had their souls stripped from their bodies). Reapers are not organic, they are an AI that self-determined to mine organic matter and use it in an unnatural abhorrent way. They never had a soul to begin with, so that's a big hole in your argument. Their programming is all that they were. Legions question remains - does this unit have a soul? About the Geth, I am not sure but I think it's possible. The Reapers? Ha, that's funny. The soul question was always about being a sentient being, aware that they exist. So i don't think Hanako is wrong there with their analogy.
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Reapers are not organic, they are an AI that self-determined to mine organic matter and use it in an unnatural abhorrent way. They never had a soul to begin with, so that's a big hole in your argument. Their programming is all that they were. Legions question remains - does this unit have a soul? About the Geth, I am not sure but I think it's possible. The Reapers? Ha, that's funny. The soul question was always about being a sentient being, aware that they exist. So i don't think Hanako is wrong there with their analogy. Does this unit have a soul? Speaking of me... I am a sentient being. Is there a soul up in here? What does it weigh, where is it located? What does it do? Is it like my appendix? Do you have a soul? These are very serious questions, please don't jump to conclusions unless you are really prepared to back them up. Harbinger/Sovereign never asked the question, because they never felt the need. That's really good programming, making a VI in a giant meat-machine believe it is a fully-realized AI - but that's what StarBrat did. The Reapers were so sure of themselves... that simply isn't a normal state of being for sentient beings. No doubt, every variable had already been declared for them and a value given. The smarter sentient beings are, the more cautious they generally are because they can imagine other outcomes. When we don't know, we are curious and possibly also afraid. Legion asked the question, because it didn't know. It was curious, and a little afraid. That's why I believe Legion had a soul, provided that I actually have a soul. ... The Reapers knew they existed - they were purpose built by StarBrat (the actual AI). Reapers are organically evolved machines built for StarBrats purpose. Assigning them free will or anything else that a "soul-bearing" creature has creates a lot of problems and makes a very confusing mess of their reality. Harbinger was just spitting StarBrat riffs, like a Karaoke machine. Hopefully this explains my position a little better. |
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