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Post by Ash on Nov 10, 2021 16:34:59 GMT
Hello everyone, wasn't too sure whether or not to post this here since I'm new and signing up to a forum and posting my own content seemed a bit tacky. I already posted this on r/MECoop so some of you may have already seen this. So I guess I'll get a disclaimer out of the way. This is obviously based off the opinion of 2 people and how we rank some of these is not in anyway consistent. There's a mix of effectiveness, ease of use and uniqueness, but even this ruling get's blurred. It's also down to what we, myself and Kurrupt, find fun and I do mention in the video that if we rank something low it's likely because we suck with it. Still I hope you guys get some amusement out of it. Hell, even I question some of these placements. Feel free to share, discuss, poop on or laugh at our questionable decisions. Also, TL:DR - Tier list by the end. I know some characters have the same image as another. So might be easier to skip to 2:02:45 for the recap. (PS: if feedback for this is ok, may do enemy, maps or gun lists later) 00:00 - Intro rambling and disclaimers. 03:00 - Asari Justicar - B Tier 07:05 - Asari Adept - B Tier 10:10 - Asari Vanguard - C Tier 12:35 - Batarian Soldier - A Tier 15:20 - Batarian Sentinel - D Tier 18:50 - BF3 Soldier - Why? 21:30 - Drell Adept - C Tier 23:20 - Drell Vanguard - D Tier 25:30 - Geth Engineer - A Tier 27:55 - Geth Infiltrator - S Tier 28:55 - Human Adept - A Tier 31:35 - Human Soldier - B Tier 33:03 - Human Vanguard - C Tier 35:10 - Human Sentinel - B Tier 37:03 - Human Engineer - B Tier 38:57 - Human Infiltrator - B Tier 41:22 - Krogan Vanguard - A Tier 42:38 - Krogan Soldier - A Tier 44:38 - Krogan Sentinel - C Tier 46:36 - Alliance Infiltration Unit - S Tier 48:20 - Asari Huntress - A Tier 50:15 - Asari Valkyrie - A Tier 53:55 - Awakened Collector - C Tier 56:55 - Batarian Vanguard - A Tier 59:20 - Batarian Adept - A Tier 1:00:48 - Cabal Vanguard - C Tier 1:03:36 - Drell Assassin Infiltrator - S Tier 1:05:00 - Geth Juggernaut - A Tier 1:07:25 - Geth Trooper - S Tier 1:08:46 - Krogan Shaman - B Tier 1:10:35 - Krogan Warlord - B Tier 1:12:37 - Quarian Marksman - C Tier 1:15:43 - Talon Mercenary - B Tier 1:19:50 - Turian Ghost - S Tier 1:21:47 - Turian Havoc - C Tier 1:22:50 - Turian Saboteur - B Tier 1:23:42 - Volus Adept - A Tier 1:24:50 - Volus Engineer - A Tier 1:26:20 - Volus Sentinel - F Tier 1:28:18 - Volus Vanguard - D Tier 1:29:58 - Vorcha Engineer - C Tier 1:32:25 - N7 Demolisher - B Tier 1:34:57 - N7 Destroyer - A Tier 1:36:13 - N7 Fury - C Tier 1:38:15 - N7 Paladin - S Tier 1:39:40 - N7 Shadow - C Tier 1:41:46 - N7 Slayer - C Tier 1:44:07 - Phoenix Adept - A Tier 1:45:19 - Phoenix Vanguard - D Tier 1:48:07 - Quarian Male Infiltrator - A Tier 1:48:55 - Quarian Male Engineer - A Tier 1:49:53 - Quarian Female Infiltrator - A Tier 1:51:00 - Quarian Female Engineer - A Tier 1:53:49 - Salarian Engineer - B Tier 1:54:53 - Salarian Infiltrator - A Tier 1:56:08 - Turian Soldier - A Tier 1:57:57 - Turian Sentinel - A Tier 1:59:15 - Vorcha Soldier - C Tier 2:02:10 - Vorcha Sentinel - B Tier 2:02:47 - Recap
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Post by bestvolussupportaus2 on Nov 12, 2021 1:59:48 GMT
Volus mercenary sentinel at F tier poggg Can't say I'm surprised to see that, if I didn't decide to main him for as long as I did, he would've been in F tier for me as well.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Nov 12, 2021 13:24:59 GMT
While it s a bit late to argue about character ranking it s always fun to see how others feel A 2H video though, is far longer than what i can handle, so i went to the last minutes. All in all, i think u indeed put a lot of top tier chars in C and D cause L2play or taste issue Drells, N7guard, fury, assadept are really efficient in my book, and even more fun Drell guard in the D tier, well... i dont even wanna start I see only 2 vorchas, i guess the hunter is not even in the why section !
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Post by Ash on Nov 12, 2021 15:23:39 GMT
While it s a bit late to argue about character ranking it s always fun to see how others feel A 2H video though, is far longer than what i can handle, so i went to the last minutes. All in all, i think u indeed put a lot of top tier chars in C and D cause L2play or taste issue Drells, N7guard, fury, assadept are really efficient in my book, and even more fun Drell guard in the D tier, well... i dont even wanna start I see only 2 vorchas, i guess the hunter is not even in the why section ! Vorcha engy is C, they’re all there Nah I understand, the reasoning for placements is in the 2 hours, each character gets a discussion/review. But obviously 2hrs is a big ask of people’s time. Also disclaimers are a thing 🙃
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Post by DoctorDAM on Nov 12, 2021 22:11:57 GMT
Also did just the TLDR. I get your balancing of the various factors. Maybe a bias towards ease of use? I say that as it seems to align well with mine, and even with all my hours, I'm absolutely a scrub (with a very good knowledge of the game mechanics).
My suggestion: i strongly suggest using the "more" section to write out your list. I've already forgotten which is which (thus no detailed comments), and too painful to even just replay the last 5 or so minutes.
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Post by bestvolussupportaus2 on Nov 13, 2021 1:18:12 GMT
Something that might come a bit surprising is that, I don't place the VE as highly when comparing the other Voluses IMO. As much as I love recon mine and debuffing a section of a map, redeploying the mine is kinda annoying.
Like someone might cobra missile a group of enemies where your mine is, and then you have to detonate it, or you find a group of enemies and depending on how good and OP their equipment loadout is, they might mow them down fast enough before, you can get any value out of the mine, all while having that lengthy cooldown on top of it.
I will say it definitely shines when it comes to hack circles, or if you doing any campy strats where your team is funneling enemies into a specific part of the map (eg firebase giant LZ camping, with juggy tank)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2021 4:44:25 GMT
Something that might come a bit surprising is that, I don't place the VE as highly when comparing the other Voluses IMO. As much as I love recon mine and debuffing a section of a map, redeploying the mine is kinda annoying. Like someone might cobra missile a group of enemies where your mine is, and then you have to detonate it, or you find a group of enemies and depending on how good and OP their equipment loadout is, they might mow them down fast enough before, you can get any value out of the mine, all while having that lengthy cooldown on top of it. I will say it definitely shines when it comes to hack circles, or if you doing any campy strats where your team is funneling enemies into a specific part of the map (eg firebase giant LZ camping, with juggy tank) I use the radius/slow/+25%dmg from all Sources and rarely detonate it. What I've found myself using it a lot for now is shot-calling for pugs. I think you've noticed the same behaviour from what you've said. PuGs are drawn to it like a beacon, and so I've started using it exactly that way. I also use it to highlight flanking phantoms.
What I find myself using more and more of is the prox mine with +20%dmg from all Sources. It detonates some primers too. That way it doesn't feel like I'm playing a kit with a 15 second cooldown.
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I love the drone/decoy detonations if you can get the timing down on the Merc. Starts to do a lot of area damage if you can get away with not using shieldboost but still keep close to the action to redeploy the decoy. I'll heavy melee to regen shields/shieldgate instead. *** Drells, N7guard, fury, assadept are really efficient in my book, and even more fun Drell Adept with AMIII and the Carrier is still my second highest scoring kit. (GI Talon was my highest IIRC) Any drell with AMIII is great though. Feel that lag running through your scales as you dash around offhost on the vanguard.
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Post by bestvolussupportaus2 on Nov 13, 2021 8:34:34 GMT
Not a bad way to go about it when using recon mine. That's true you could otherwise just use proxy mine more often than recon mine, and play like a mini GI with no damage cloak bonus, but can heal teammates. Even then I would still like to use recon mine at least a decent amount, it's just finding a good time to redeploy that mine, to avoid a worse case scenario, where teammates need to be healed but the cooldown isn't finished. Couldn't agree more Volus Mercenary with their exploding drone/decoy never gets old. I haven't played him a long while though, but one of the few things I remember from playing him, is using cloak 1 (press light melee button), then place decoy near a group of assault troopers and centurions, hide behind a pillar. kill enemies trying to kill decoy, use cloak 2 (Running + pressing light melee) to retreat back to pillar to aggro dump on the decoy and maybe use a combat drone to annoy them further. Or something similar to that process. Good ole fun with the VMS because he can bully mooks like that. He's got decoy and drone to split some of the enemy aggro from the juggy teammate and the rest of the team, drone is good for triggering banshee scream, and you got shield boost to heal the damage dealt by the scream
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Post by Alfonsedode on Nov 13, 2021 13:14:48 GMT
i strongly suggest using the "more" section to write out your list. I've already forgotten which is which (thus no detailed comments), and too painful to even just replay the last 5 or so minutes. Indeed the list is NON readable as is ... Such a huge video for a dead game and not even a readable result the reasoning for placements is in the 2 hours While i heard a few well establihed reasoning (alonf the 5 to 15 minutes i listened to) the most of it was low level bar counter blablabla with a friend, which could be nice and fun for a few minutes ;p
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Post by docsteely on Nov 13, 2021 17:57:49 GMT
Kudos for the effort!! It's a decent list, OP, obviously subjective, so prone to criticism... I did listen to your explanations for almost an hour and I found them unequal , e.g. excellent for the HDept and rather poor for the Drells, plus you never once mentioned the inci glitch... Still, it's nice to see people having opinions about a so called "dead" game (I'll never be one of those: they'll probably kick me out screaming when they close shop ).
P.S. Does this sum it up?
S - GI, DAI, GTrooper, Edi, TGI, Paladin
A - SalInf, Jugg, TSent, Destr, VolEng, QMI, QME, Valky, BatGuard, Kroguard, Huntress, Krosol, QFE, Batsol, TSol, GE, SmashDept, HDept, BatDept, VolDept, QFI
B - DemoGrill, Krolord, HInf, HSent, KroDept, Justicar, AAdept, SalEng, HSol, HEng, Talon, Saboteur, VSent
C - Shadow, Fury, Havoc, AsGuard, CollDept, KroSent, Hunter, Dreldept, HGuard, VSol, Slayer, QSol, Cabal
D - Batsent, DrelGod, VolProt, SmashGuard
F - VolMerc
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Post by muahmuah on Nov 13, 2021 21:32:30 GMT
I understand that like evey list as this one,there is a subjective opinion,but you just can't put some of the fastest killing kits in low tiers.Slayer,Fury and Drelldept in C tier,but VSent in B? I don't want to say it,but wtf These 3 kits are at least for A tier.Every volus should be in F.No matter how much you guys like them They can survive and nothing else. No true powers except VolEngi,can't even take a cover.Plus,they are fat and short.Asari adept in B,but VolEngi,Voldept in A? A true blasphemy. AA is one of the best kits in this game. Of course i am speaking as a soloer and i prefer fast killing kits.
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Post by obbie1984 on Nov 17, 2021 14:29:41 GMT
I definitely don't see Slayer as a C tier character. Not just because he is my favorite, but because he is pretty broken. He has high damage and mobility. Phase Disruptor is really dumb, and his low health is mitigated due to charge. If you use him like a casual and just spam biotic shockwave and play passively, he sucks. But if you git gud, play aggressively, and live up to the character's name, he is a high A tier easy. You should fear no enemy, they should fear you.
I get why Fury might be a bit lower as she can kinda struggle versus Geth and she can't close the gap as easily. She also has issues on larger maps. But I would at least put her as a high B or low A tier.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Nov 26, 2021 1:52:08 GMT
Every quarian should be in their own S+++ tier especially the glorious Quarksman may need an even higher tier for him.
Then make an F- tier for the trashcan kits like fLamer spammers, Puggernaut, AIU, TGI, any Krogan with Reegar etc. at the bottom.
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Post by Alfonsedode on Nov 26, 2021 9:53:38 GMT
where is that list LoonySpectre did with a lot of voters ? It was more or less representing the "average" opinion of the "almost non noob" population
was lost on BSN prime i guess
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Post by K_O_513 on Nov 27, 2021 1:36:40 GMT
Anyone knows that any character in the hands of a BSNer is super ultra mega chicken broken and SSS tier
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Post by mordokai on Nov 28, 2021 20:15:49 GMT
Every quarian should be in their own S+++ tier especially the glorious Quarksman may need an even higher tier for him. Then make an F- tier for the trashcan kits like fLamer spammers, Puggernaut, AIU, TGI, any Krogan with Reegar etc. at the bottom. I am positively surprised that you didn't put entire asari race into F- tier.
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Post by quarianmasterrace on Nov 29, 2021 9:49:12 GMT
Every quarian should be in their own S+++ tier especially the glorious Quarksman may need an even higher tier for him. Then make an F- tier for the trashcan kits like fLamer spammers, Puggernaut, AIU, TGI, any Krogan with Reegar etc. at the bottom. I am positively surprised that you didn't put entire asari race into F- tier. Nah they're cool none of their kits are OP or crutch so garbage players tend to stay away. Can't remember the last time I saw a blueberry pathetically running around rocketing spawns during a hack. They pretty much always melee you back too even the pugs which is more than I can say of most krogans. A tier.
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Post by mordokai on Nov 30, 2021 18:26:14 GMT
I am positively surprised that you didn't put entire asari race into F- tier. Nah they're cool none of their kits are OP or crutch so garbage players tend to stay away. Can't remember the last time I saw a blueberry pathetically running around rocketing spawns during a hack. They pretty much always melee you back too even the pugs which is more than I can say of most krogans. A tier. That is... very kind of you And while I still maintain that quarian males are somewhat lackluster(save for the engineer, that guy was always a blast to play... literal and metaphorical ), I am a man enough to admit that my inability to play them properly played a big part in that. I've seen you play them often enough to know the chaos they can wreck. And while the same may hold true of both quarian females(me being bad with them, not them being lackluster, to clarify), for some reason, they were always ever so much fun to play.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Dec 1, 2021 13:14:56 GMT
I haven't watched the video, but because I am a faithful man, I assume the Shadow was listed as number one.
Can't imagine any reason whatsoever it wouldn't be. >8)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2021 17:46:32 GMT
There's just two tiers that matter in this game
Fat Turian Tier: Turian Soldier, Turian Sentinel
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 1, 2021 18:01:34 GMT
Thessia just called and you're on the Justicar hitlist ranked #1 now! Goddess may have mercy on you.
Frankly, I often switched classes after every round. So from Justicar to Adept to Valkyrie e.g. And if I wanted grenades I went with Asari Vanguard bomber.
Jokes aside, I played pretty much any class - the variety is what made it so good. Always a little different playstyle and what you thought was shite and easily downed - with a bit of experience and adrenaline gear you can easily survive with Drell, too. Yes, you can cheese it with the Sexbot and Reegar - but what if you go "I play this kit full melee" and you get a really different experience. Lash offers so many opportunities to bomb team mates I never really mastered but that is the gist of it. Many picks - and you switch them throughly and have a diverse and sustaining experience. Which the Justicar delivers totally on her own, of course.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 1, 2021 18:05:58 GMT
Every quarian should be in their own S+++ tier especially the glorious Quarksman may need an even higher tier for him. Then make an F- tier for the trashcan kits like fLamer spammers, Puggernaut, AIU, TGI, any Krogan with Reegar etc. at the bottom. But Senpai - I cannot reach your proficiency with Quarian ever. Though I say it again - the Indra Quarksman was the first kit I was comfortable with in Platinum. Probably not everyone's pick but people are weird.
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Post by Pounce de León on Dec 1, 2021 18:07:21 GMT
I haven't watched the video, but because I am a faithful man, I assume the Shadow was listed as number one. Can't imagine any reason whatsoever it wouldn't be. >8) Never see her coming - never see her going.
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