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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2022 15:00:36 GMT
You receive a distress call at the very end of the game... Liara had all of one quest and like, three conversation options about the Shadow Broker before the advent of the DLC. The distress call implies trouble other than the virus, as that is put under control at the end of the book. Overall implication at release was "DLC". Unwillingness to discuss may or may not be explained if you look at the forum section we're in. And Shepard said the Reapers were coming at the end of ME1. Why didn’t ME1 get a Reaper invasion DLC? It’s called comparisons and proxies. The OP used this as an example, so I’m arguing why it isn’t one. That’s it. No, that arc was about the missing Arks. The Quarian Ark wasn’t missing because it wasn’t due yet. Details just details. It doesn´t thatter that the Quarian Ark was the last one. Therefore you can say that this Ark was missing. Oh no! It’s Monday and the cruise ship that was going to dock here next Friday isn’t here yet! It must be missing! Oh right a teaser for a sequel which would have come in 2020 if everything went according to plan. Won´t make more sense if this book would have been a prequel to a DLC? I guess not because you Hanako are always right and everyone has to obey. What are you talking about? We’re at the point where you pull stuff out of your ass again? MEA was never going to have a sequel by 2020. It came out on 2017 and BioWare was working on Anthem and DA4 to come first.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2022 15:10:03 GMT
Oh right you are the only one again with a complete different opinion so of course everything is wrong. Like it or not i don´t care but the Quarian Ark was and is the synonym for Andromeda DLC what could have been. www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2017/07/01/mass-effect-andromeda-deserves-its-quarian-ark-dlc/?sh=66067fbe1369Incoming post but why Forbes sucks and this article isn´t representative because of Hanako reasons. Jeez why are so difficult sometimes? This thread isn´t about Mass Effect or the Quarian Ark. I only use the Quarian Ark because its well known for a Andromeda 1 DLC what could have been. The topic is more about that DAD unlike Andromeda shouldn´t rely that much on DLCs because Andromeda never have an Story DLC and Anthem was also not better. You mean the Forbes article that is an opinion piece? Why would I knock them for their opinion? I see you ignored the part where I agreed with your overall point and only focused on the parts that disagreed so you can get some personal attacks in. Evidence this is just a troll thread on your part.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 30, 2022 16:20:35 GMT
Oh no! It’s Monday and the cruise ship that was going to dock here next Friday isn’t here yet! It must be missing! In the context of the game aka Andromeda the Quarian Ark was the last puzzle to complete the Nexus. So yeah it would make sense that the last Ark like the 3 before would be feature in some content for Andromeda 1. You are well aware that like Andromeda 1 this theoretical would develop again mainly by Bioware Montreal? I guess not. With an existing engine and all the groundwork its really not far scretched that an Andromeda sequel would come in 2020 aka 3 years after Andromeda 1. Of course if Andromeda 1 would have been a sucess and this theoretical case Bioware Edmonton could still have room for Anthem and DA 4. Because its about the Quarian Ark DLC which you don´t agree on? What´s the point in discussing the parts where we (rarely i must say) agree? Yes i agree so what? I will be blunt but who cares about my personal feelings? Not you neither do i. So stop it. I am only interested in the topic therefore i defend this thread because its valid discussion about DADs potential DLCs. This is quite arrogant and no surprise from your part again. You are so far the only one!!! who has an issue with the threadtitle and others seem to get (if they aren´t joking about some crossover effects ) Should i have named the thread No DLC of Ellen Ryder, Benefactor, Primus, Jardaan or something else? Maybe but regardless what you thinks (and i couldn´t care less about this point) the idea of a Quarian Ark DLC is most wellknown of them all. Most people will get this am sure but you want some extra drama as usual because Hanako reasons. Also i believe that you would criticize every other theme if i would have picked something else. I don´t know what´s your problem is (with me or who knows what) but can you please stop it and focus more on the Dragon Age / Dreadwolf part of the discussion? Yes you have an issue with the threadtitle so what? Life goes on and agree on disagree. Lets talk more about Dragon Age in a Dragon Age Forum.
But i guess your next post will more about all other stuff than Dragon Age. But i still want to believe in hope and maybe you can surprise me. To be fair right now i doubt it.
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Post by Serza on Oct 30, 2022 16:56:08 GMT
By that logic, we should have gotten a sequel concentrating on the Quarian ark.
Yet the major threat is clearly made out to be the Kett. That was the likely sequel hook. The Ark was a DLC hook, simply because of the smaller scale, the fact all other Arks were a secondary plot line in the game, and the fact it is actually missable in the epilogue.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2022 19:04:29 GMT
By that logic, we should have gotten a sequel concentrating on the Quarian ark. Yet the major threat is clearly made out to be the Kett. That was the likely sequel hook. The Ark was a DLC hook, simply because of the smaller scale, the fact all other Arks were a secondary plot line in the game, and the fact it is actually missable in the epilogue. The sequel would most likely deal with both, as well as continue the Mysterious Benefactor and the Jardaan plots. The Quarian Ark isn’t a smaller scale though in some regards. For example they would have to remake all the species on it into Frostbite, which is as many as in the base game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 30, 2022 19:08:01 GMT
Ignoring most of your response due to your request or personal insults. With an existing engine and all the groundwork its really not far scretched that an Andromeda sequel would come in 2020 aka 3 years after Andromeda 1. Of course if Andromeda 1 would have been a sucess and this theoretical case Bioware Edmonton could still have room for Anthem and DA 4. Um, DAI was their best selling game of all time under work from the main studio with everything in engine and we’re almost a decade waiting for DA4. I see you ignored the part where I agreed with your overall point What´s the point in discussing the parts where we (rarely i must say) agree? Yes i agree so what? Well for starters it would have kept things more civil in discussion instead of what most of your post to me in this thread have been. Plus figured you’d want a full discussion instead of seemingly arguing for arguing’s sake. Edit: Also the Quarian Ark wasn’t the final piece. The four first wave were but one is too damaged to dock and eventually another is crashed into Meridian so there would never be four docked there.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 30, 2022 19:20:02 GMT
The Quarian Ark isn’t a smaller scale though in some regards. For example they would have to remake all the species on it into Frostbite, which is as many as in the base game. Again who said that we will see all the Quarian Ark species in game? I assume that we have seen Quarians (male and female), Batarians (male model already exist for MP so why not use it for SP?) and perhabs Drell. Both Quarians and Drell like the Batarians (plus why not also female Batarian?) could also be used for Multiplayer. So no big deal. I blame Anthem and to some extent also Andromeda. Good thing is that Anthem flop that hard and Star Wars Fallen Order was this huge success otherwise i guess Bioware would be known only as the Anthem (plus half-assed some Addons for STWOR here and when) studio and we would never got DA 4 well atleast as classic singleplayer title. Maybe this just a crazy idea but maybe big maybe you can ignore this thread entirely or atleast stop posting about the Mass Effect stuff. But i guess you can´t do that for some Hanako reason. I want a discussion about DAD DLCs and not about the Quarian Ark which is only example. And you know what? I am absolutely right about the part that it doesn´t matter which unfinished Andromeda plot i could chosen instead because you seem to "arguing for the sake of arguing".
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 30, 2022 20:27:30 GMT
Ignoring most of your response arguing for the sake of arguing I'm going to request a little chill on this potential skirmish. There are clearly different perspectives and it's getting somewhat unproductive... Can we give it a rest for a while, or would anyone else like to continue the discussion for now?
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 30, 2022 20:38:10 GMT
There are clearly different perspectives and it's getting somewhat unproductive... Honest question should i rename the threadtitle because there are different perspectives or should it stay because well facts? I personal prefer the latter because in my view the Quarian Ark has been one if not most discussed idea for Andromeda Story DLC? But i guess you as mod have to decide here. Maybe i wrong and totally fool in thinking that way who knows?
By the way i really wish that we talk more in this thread about Dragon Age or more precise Dreadwolf story DLC but i guess the real topic is about stuff which has little to do with the actual discussion of this thread.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 30, 2022 20:49:13 GMT
Hmmmm, if I understand correctly, you don't want loose-ended teases to potential DLC that hasn't been green-lit in Dreadwolf unless it already has been and will happen. (If that's wrong, then the title has misled me) From my perspective, if anyone's still reading by page 2, they have a sense of the discussion, but please do as you prefer.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 30, 2022 20:57:45 GMT
Hmmmm, if I understand correctly, you don't want loose-ended teases to potential DLC that hasn't been green-lit in Dreadwolf unless it already has been and will happen. (If that's wrong, then the title has misled me) Correct. Because that´s way to long for a threadtitle i have chosen the Quarian Ark in short as example. I thought that everyone will get it. I also could have pick an other example the DA 2 DLC Exalted March or the Mythal Temple but i guess this would be a bit outdated and more confusing. Yes Anthem has been the latest Bioware game but i really don´t know what DLC policy it had planned so Andromeda.
Edit: By the way what is your opinion on this topic? Agree or disagree that Dreadwolf shouldn´t have teased story parts in its maingame? Thanks.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 30, 2022 21:05:58 GMT
By the way what is your opinion on this topic? The Quarian Ark tease is counter-productive. I would have preferred it that if a Quarian Ark DLC was made, THEN (and only then) do they drop the starting conversation into the game. Dragon Age DLCs (correct me if I'm wrong) were all added 'clean' of teases in the original Dragon Age game.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 30, 2022 21:09:47 GMT
Dragon Age DLCs (correct me if I'm wrong) were all added 'clean' of teases in the original Dragon Age game. Isn´t Trespasser a tease or more continuation of stuff which happened in DAI? Edit Nr. 2: The same could be said about Exalted March if it were released of course. Also what about Witch Hunt in general? I know the DLC isn´t that much about Morrigan but for some few moments it is. Edit: Return to Ostagar i would rule out because there weren´t any tease in the maingame for a return.
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 30, 2022 23:12:57 GMT
Well... I don't see any of those teased in such a pointed way as Quarian Ark.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Oct 31, 2022 10:27:20 GMT
Well... I don't see any of those teased in such a pointed way as Quarian Ark. So for you Solas as the Dreadwolf absorbing Flemeth wasn´t a tease or what happened to Morrigan after DAO? Ok...
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Post by SofaJockey on Oct 31, 2022 14:46:21 GMT
So for you Solas as the Dreadwolf absorbing Flemeth wasn´t a tease or what happened to Morrigan after DAO? Ok... It was a tease of something, but it wasn't specific. There was no way of knowing whether it would be picked up in DLC or the next game. There's a separate question here of whether end-game teases (that you have to wait 8 years for) are they way to go.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 2, 2022 18:47:40 GMT
I liked the end-game tease at the end of Trespasser, FWIW.
As for the Quarian Ark issue, I think Hanako is almost certainly right on the substance. So many non-human models in a DLC? In Frostbite? I don't see how it passes any sort of initial budget review.
However, Bio should probably know by now that their fans will always jump to conclusions. Best not to do anything that could be so easily misinterpreted.
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Post by cuthbertbeckett on Nov 2, 2022 18:52:06 GMT
So many non-human models in a DLC? In Frostbite? I don't see how it passes any sort of initial budget review. Again only a handful models would have been used for the DLC and you all forget the main reason why those characters would have been made if this DLC were released. Of course i am talking about Andromedas Multiplayer. I always assumed if the Quarian Ark would be released then we would also get the biggest Update for MP.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 2, 2022 19:11:21 GMT
I liked the end-game tease at the end of Trespasser, FWIW. As for the Quarian Ark issue, I think Hanako is almost certainly right on the substance. So many non-human models in a DLC? In Frostbite? I don't see how it passes any sort of initial budget review. However, Bio should probably know by now that their fans will always jump to conclusions. Best not to do anything that could be so easily misinterpreted. The tease at the end of Trespasser would have been good if we continued as the Inquisitor in DAD. But instead it’s just a final insult to fans of that character as it fully undoes their completed story only to throw them away. Exactly. The amount of resources that would have taken moves it well beyond just a DLC but a full on expansion. And BioWare hasn’t released any expansions for their non-MMO games since Awakening in 2010 and Mass Effect never got an expansion.
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Post by alanc9 on Nov 3, 2022 20:15:31 GMT
Hmmm... I didn't think of that. It's pretty clear that nobody at Bio thought they were implying that the Inquisitor would return as the PC. (A Hawke-style cameo is quite likely, though.)
Now I'm wondering if Bio shouldn't just give up on teasing stuff.
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Post by darthshadielavellan on Nov 3, 2022 22:59:20 GMT
And last but not least please no more exclusive item DLC limited to something else you have to buy. Like this DAI horse who was and still is exclusive to Logitech.
That hose looks so cool and I wanted it but I don't have it and can't get it. Also, I'm on the fence. I love the DLCs that exist. I would prefer the whole game content in one go, so no conclusion through a DLC, BUT I do enjoy receiving more from the game after a time. Then again, it doesn't need to be a DLC for it. It can be longer missions in the game or larger maps that will be interesting.
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Post by colfoley on Nov 4, 2022 20:21:50 GMT
Hmmm... I didn't think of that. It's pretty clear that nobody at Bio thought they were implying that the Inquisitor would return as the PC. (A Hawke-style cameo is quite likely, though.) Now I'm wondering if Bio shouldn't just give up on teasing stuff. Bioware should just wrap themselves in a hermetically sealed plastic bubble and make cat videos.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 4, 2022 22:39:32 GMT
Hmmm... I didn't think of that. It's pretty clear that nobody at Bio thought they were implying that the Inquisitor would return as the PC. (A Hawke-style cameo is quite likely, though.) Now I'm wondering if Bio shouldn't just give up on teasing stuff. How they didn’t think a lot of people would see it that way I’ll never know. As for a Hawke-style cameo, please no. They already ruined my and many other’s Hawkes (and they’re easier to get right than Inky) so really don’t want to see the Inquisitor bastardized like that too. Dream scenario would be a kind of dual protagonist situation. Most of the game with the new PC but a few sequences with the Inquisitor. Many games have proven that to be really good.
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Post by darthshadielavellan on Nov 4, 2022 23:07:24 GMT
Hmmm... I didn't think of that. It's pretty clear that nobody at Bio thought they were implying that the Inquisitor would return as the PC. (A Hawke-style cameo is quite likely, though.) Now I'm wondering if Bio shouldn't just give up on teasing stuff. How they didn’t think a lot of people would see it that way I’ll never know. As for a Hawke-style cameo, please no. They already ruined my and many other’s Hawkes (and they’re easier to get right than Inky) so really don’t want to see the Inquisitor bastardized like that too. Dream scenario would be a kind of dual protagonist situation. Most of the game with the new PC but a few sequences with the Inquisitor. Many games have proven that to be really good. They did say "No magic hand," though at the last trailer. So now I'm just confused. BioWare,please give us clear answers lmao
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Post by coldsteelblue on Nov 5, 2022 8:44:58 GMT
How they didn’t think a lot of people would see it that way I’ll never know. As for a Hawke-style cameo, please no. They already ruined my and many other’s Hawkes (and they’re easier to get right than Inky) so really don’t want to see the Inquisitor bastardized like that too. Dream scenario would be a kind of dual protagonist situation. Most of the game with the new PC but a few sequences with the Inquisitor. Many games have proven that to be really good. They did say "No magic hand," though at the last trailer. So now I'm just confused. BioWare,please give us clear answers lmao
It's just new protagonist nothing more, a cameo at best but don't hold out for it
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