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Post by burningcherry on Mar 19, 2019 18:52:36 GMT
Return of anyone of Shepard's old crew, maybe except Liara, is improbable, and Miranda is a special case because if she is to return and be trustworthy in the slightest, the entire "Shepard's clone and all lies regarding it" circus (so, ME3: The Citadel and ME: Foundation 8, 11 and 13) would have to be cancelled. This could happen if Mac Walters wanted Liara to return as a squadmate and realized that the positions mentioned above incriminate her as much as Miranda, but it's highly doubtful that he can spot simplest mistakes he made.
And I hope that the next time a "biotic" is written, someone checks the timeline. Humans creating biotics in 2150, what the f*ck, this is where doors for further blatant inconsistencies in ME were opened.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 22, 2019 11:49:30 GMT
Return of anyone of Shepard's old crew, maybe except Liara, is improbable, and Miranda is a special case because if she is to return and be trustworthy in the slightest, the entire "Shepard's clone and all lies regarding it" circus (so, ME3: The Citadel and ME: Foundation 8, 11 and 13) would have to be cancelled. This could happen if Mac Walters wanted Liara to return as a squadmate and realized that the positions mentioned above incriminate her as much as Miranda, but it's highly doubtful that he can spot simplest mistakes he made. And I hope that the next time a "biotic" is written, someone checks the timeline. Humans creating biotics in 2150, what the f*ck, this is where doors for further blatant inconsistencies in ME were opened. What do you mean except t'soni? As far as trust goes, why should I trust the asari? Isn't that the same asari who decided that it would be a good idea not to inform anyone that Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus? Got to love that friend crap, right? My Shepard trusts Lawson more than t'soni.
You keep bringing up the comics. Why? How many people do you believe that played the game read the comics?
I don't see a problem with Lawson returning as a squadmate, if there's to be an ME4.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 22, 2019 14:04:15 GMT
Return of anyone of Shepard's old crew, maybe except Liara, is improbable, and Miranda is a special case because if she is to return and be trustworthy in the slightest, the entire "Shepard's clone and all lies regarding it" circus (so, ME3: The Citadel and ME: Foundation 8, 11 and 13) would have to be cancelled. This could happen if Mac Walters wanted Liara to return as a squadmate and realized that the positions mentioned above incriminate her as much as Miranda, but it's highly doubtful that he can spot simplest mistakes he made. And I hope that the next time a "biotic" is written, someone checks the timeline. Humans creating biotics in 2150, what the f*ck, this is where doors for further blatant inconsistencies in ME were opened. What do you mean except t'soni? As far as trust goes, why should I trust the asari? Isn't that the same asari who decided that it would be a good idea not to inform anyone that Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus? Got to love that friend crap, right? My Shepard trusts Lawson more than t'soni.
You keep bringing up the comics. Why? How many people do you believe that played the game read the comics?
I don't see a problem with Lawson returning as a squadmate, if there's to be an ME4.
I think what was being said is that BioWare would force her return, as they did in the entire MET. She even had her voice heard in MEA. On the other hand, she could have died on the beam run so maybe she's not such a shoo-in for future games. We can only hope.
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Post by themikefest on Mar 22, 2019 15:04:36 GMT
What do you mean except t'soni? As far as trust goes, why should I trust the asari? Isn't that the same asari who decided that it would be a good idea not to inform anyone that Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus? Got to love that friend crap, right? My Shepard trusts Lawson more than t'soni.
You keep bringing up the comics. Why? How many people do you believe that played the game read the comics?
I don't see a problem with Lawson returning as a squadmate, if there's to be an ME4.
I think what was being said is that BioWare would force her return, as they did in the entire MET. She even had her voice heard in MEA. On the other hand, she could have died on the beam run so maybe she's not such a shoo-in for future games. We can only hope. I know. If Bioware were to include the asari in some way in a sequel that takes place far in the future, I would want them to acknowledge my playthrough with her being killed. She's nothing special.
I don't have a problem with the asari returning, if Shepard returns. Miranda can be a squadmate just as Vakarian and Tali were squadmates in ME3 even though both can be dead before the events of ME3.
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Post by burningcherry on Mar 22, 2019 15:59:46 GMT
What do you mean except t'soni? As far as trust goes, why should I trust the asari? Isn't that the same asari who decided that it would be a good idea not to inform anyone that Shepard's body is in the hands of Cerberus? Got to love that friend crap, right? My Shepard trusts Lawson more than t'soni.
You keep bringing up the comics. Why? How many people do you believe that played the game read the comics? I don't see a problem with Lawson returning as a squadmate, if there's to be an ME4.
I think what was being said is that BioWare would force her return, as they did in the entire MET. She even had her voice heard in MEA. Pretty much this but the corruption runs much deeper than just voices in Andromeda. How many people will ever realize that Cora Harper is a distorted version of Gillian Grayson, intended to promote the asari at the cost of the quarians and the humans? Why forcefully stick Liara into stories totally not about her?
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 22, 2019 16:43:38 GMT
I think what was being said is that BioWare would force her return, as they did in the entire MET. She even had her voice heard in MEA. Pretty much this but the corruption runs much deeper than just voices in Andromeda. How many people will ever realize that Cora Harper is a distorted version of Gillian Grayson, intended to promote the asari at the cost of the quarians and the humans? Why forcefully stick Liara into stories totally not about her? I liked precisely one asari in MEA and that was Lexi T'Perro. Hated Peebee, hated Keri with a passion (after she tried to make me cheat on my LI), hated Peebee's ex, hated Sarissa. Actually, liked Vederia Damali, who can take over for Sarissa.
You might be right about BW pushing an asari agenda and having humans getting caught up in it. Sounds strangely political.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Mar 22, 2019 16:58:13 GMT
Pretty much this but the corruption runs much deeper than just voices in Andromeda. How many people will ever realize that Cora Harper is a distorted version of Gillian Grayson, intended to promote the asari at the cost of the quarians and the humans? Why forcefully stick Liara into stories totally not about her? I liked precisely one asari in MEA and that was Lexi T'Perro. Hated Peebee, hated Keri with a passion (after she tried to make me cheat on my LI), hated Peebee's ex, hated Sarissa. Actually, liked Vederia Damali, who can take over for Sarissa.
You might be right about BW pushing an asari agenda and having humans getting caught up in it. Sounds strangely political.
Yay for liking Lexi and Vederia! Hopefully both will be on our team next game. Though with Keri, she never tries to make you cheat on your LI. You can, but she at most just says she is open to having a relationship if you want it. If you don’t flirt with her she never even brings it up.
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Post by dmc1001 on Mar 23, 2019 4:09:36 GMT
I liked precisely one asari in MEA and that was Lexi T'Perro. Hated Peebee, hated Keri with a passion (after she tried to make me cheat on my LI), hated Peebee's ex, hated Sarissa. Actually, liked Vederia Damali, who can take over for Sarissa.
You might be right about BW pushing an asari agenda and having humans getting caught up in it. Sounds strangely political.
Yay for liking Lexi and Vederia! Hopefully both will be on our team next game. Though with Keri, she never tries to make you cheat on your LI. You can, but she at most just says she is open to having a relationship if you want it. If you don’t flirt with her she never even brings it up. Admittedly, this happened before the patch that stopped you from romancing everyone. That run I romanced everyone male Ryder could romance. It was when I got to Keri and she made the comment about cheating. Now, obviously I was cheating on my "real" LI but this just made me feel all creepy about it. Now I'm happy with the patch in place.
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Post by brfritos on Apr 3, 2019 21:58:09 GMT
themikefest hatred for Liara is one of the funniest things I ever saw. There are always something about her he try to insert in any message. I'm a huge fan of Liara, but hated what they did to her in ME2. From the gentle, sweet, nerdy soul to ruthless demon bitch. Then Bioware can't decide how she should behave in ME3, so we have a dissonance Liara. Just look how she bahave at Eden Prime, then at Lexus and you know what I mean. Concerning Miranda, from my countless runs with Sheploo I dated her one single time and in another, to spice things up, dated first Ashley then Miranda. Hey, Cpt Kirk Shepard has a reputation to live on.
But good lord, after finishing my first playthrough of ME3 I looked and think to myself: "what a waste of potential".
I keep imagining how good she would be as a squadmate AND crew of the Normandy and the firestorm this would create among everyone.
Issues about trusting Shepard? Check. Espionage from Cerberus? Check. Deserting in the middle of a war to look for her sister? Check. Creating ripples among squadmates and NPCs? Check. The list goes on and on.
To summarize, enriching the story.
What a shame.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 1, 2019 10:52:45 GMT
How many people do you believe that played the game read the comics? Which is why I say don't treat supplementary media as canon. It oftentimes contrasts things directly referenced in the games and while he/she lied is also an explanation, it more often then not break characterization. The comics and books are, for the most part, poorly thought out, inferiorly executed and sometimes in direct contrast to the games. For example, Jack referencing Kai Leng as some guy with a sword when she fought and nearly killed Kai Leng in the past, if the comics are to be considered canon.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 1, 2019 14:00:17 GMT
How many people do you believe that played the game read the comics? Which is why I say don't treat supplementary media as canon. It oftentimes contrasts things directly referenced in the games and while he/she lied is also an explanation, it more often then not break characterization. The comics and books are, for the most part, poorly thought out, inferiorly executed and sometimes in direct contrast to the games. For example, Jack referencing Kai Leng as some guy with a sword when she fought and nearly killed Kai Leng in the past, if the comics are to be considered canon. Care to make another thread and elaborate case-by-case?
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 1, 2019 14:27:21 GMT
Care to make another thread and elaborate case-by-case? Not particularly. I already made a reference. You can find soooo many reviews and critiques online that point out discrepancies betweenthe books and comics with the games and often times even themselves that I would not be able to even begin to remember otherwise and I would not even be able to access right now, as I am at work, not to mention, I've personally written them all off in terms of the sheer quality they offer as content, to begin with, exactly because it is so poor that they, quite frankly, disappoint me immeasurably. They are not worth anyone's time, but you can still like them and consider them whatever you want. I strongly advise against them, however.
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Post by burningcherry on Aug 1, 2019 14:58:58 GMT
Care to make another thread and elaborate case-by-case? Not particularly. I already made a reference. You can find soooo many reviews and critiques online that point out discrepancies betweenthe books and comics with the games and often times even themselves that I would not be able to even begin to remember otherwise and I would not even be able to access right now, as I am at work, not to mention, I've personally written them all off in terms of the sheer quality they offer as content, to begin with, exactly because it is so poor that they, quite frankly, disappoint me immeasurably. They are not worth anyone's time, but you can still like them and consider them whatever you want. I strongly advise against them, however. You cherrypicked the second or third worst thing of what BW considers canon (Deception not included because its errors were officially admitted and a rewrite promised). All those reviews and critiques that point on major issues (so, something more than "she couldn't have had this weapon in this year") refer to around 2-5% of the overall book&comic content (page count-wise). Discarding everything because of it is proportional to discarding ME2 because it cancels the previous setting of military power balance in the galaxy or the Reapers change their stance on using the organics.
Karpyshyn's books > the games LOL. Ascension is the peak of Mass Effect.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Aug 1, 2019 15:01:32 GMT
Pun intended burningcherry ? the second or third worst thing of what BW considers canon It was the thing that most easily came to my mind. You want to ignore it, that's fine. You do you. You'll excuse me if I don't however.
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Post by chris2365 on May 28, 2020 19:44:49 GMT
So, I am currently doing a trilogy run (on PC) for the first time since 2013, and I was wondering if the addition of the Citadel DLC, Miranda mod, other DLC/mods makes Miranda's romance one worth continuing. I am debating between Ashley and Miranda for ME3. I usually go with Ashley, since her content is more fleshed out in ME3. I remember there was some complaints about Miranda's arc in ME3, mainly that there was too little content.
But since this will be my first time playing Leviathan, Omega, Citadel, or big mods like EGM or project variety, I just wanted to get some thoughts on if Miranda's arc is satisfying with all that extra content (no spoilers ideally).
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Post by The Hype Himself on May 29, 2020 2:25:27 GMT
Miranda's arc is much improved in ME3 Citadel (for me, about the only really good thing about Citadel.)
Ashley though? No shade, but she had a 'development' period in ME3? I'm no Ashley fan, but I think she kinda got a heavy shortage of development come the finale.
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Post by Tuchanka Love on Aug 28, 2020 17:34:39 GMT
So, I am currently doing a trilogy run (on PC) for the first time since 2013, and I was wondering if the addition of the Citadel DLC, Miranda mod, other DLC/mods makes Miranda's romance one worth continuing. I am debating between Ashley and Miranda for ME3. I usually go with Ashley, since her content is more fleshed out in ME3. I remember there was some complaints about Miranda's arc in ME3, mainly that there was too little content. But since this will be my first time playing Leviathan, Omega, Citadel, or big mods like EGM or project variety, I just wanted to get some thoughts on if Miranda's arc is satisfying with all that extra content (no spoilers ideally). I'm a sucker for a tragic ending and I absolutely love the scene of Miranda confessing to Shep while she was dying and him doing the same to her. That farewell message when fighting on Earth was too underwhelming and just plain sucks. So my favorite ending must be Miranda dying in Shep's arms, and him dying fighting the reapers. She asked him to finish what was happening, and so he did while thinking of her (hence the LI flashback) and choosing to destroy the reapers. Ignore the inhale scene at the end.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 21, 2020 16:41:43 GMT
I've found I really like Miranda. I mean, really like her. In multiple PTs I only saw her as a super bitch. There's much more depth to her. I'm a little sad that she didn't get a major role in ME3. I'd take her over Liara or Vega any day.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Sept 23, 2020 14:09:17 GMT
I've found I really like Miranda. I mean, really like her. In multiple PTs I only saw her as a super bitch. There's much more depth to her. I'm a little sad that she didn't get a major role in ME3. I'd take her over Liara or Vega any day. I really dislike how small the ME3 crew is and how the few ill reserved spots we got, were occupied by Vega and EDI, or the various side characters/crewmen like Copeland and *sigh* Allers. I mean, come on. And I really don't care if that was "the best bad decision at the time". Customers can only stand for so many "best" bad decisions, before the game falls apart.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Feb 2, 2021 22:38:09 GMT
Where's the 4K screenshots of remastered Miranda People were saying her hair from 3 was used in 2, but I'm not too sure.
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Post by Silvery on Feb 4, 2021 15:28:17 GMT
From an interview GameCentral did with the BioWare developers Mass Effect Legendary Edition interview – changing FemShep’s animation but not the endingArchive version for those who can't access the OG articleIt’s not just the technology that has aged in the original games though, as it’s hard to imagine the Asari, a species of all-female space Amazons, or EDI’s robot form being created in quite the same way for a new game today. They are popular characters though, despite accusations of them pandering to a male audience, so we were curious as to whether there was any thought to alter their portrayal in the remasters. ‘I do think a lot of things have evolved since [the original games] but I don’t know if I would say we were ultra-concerned about it or anything like that, but there were considerations’, admits Walters. ‘Kevin actually called out some camera cuts that were just… why was that focusing on Miranda’s butt? So in some cases we said, ‘Okay, we can make a change there’. But ultimately, to change an entire character model or something like that wasn’t really… it was a decision that was made as part of many creative decisions and just showing it at the best possible fidelity that we could going forward is really the choice for all of the art that we had.‘
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2021 22:36:32 GMT
I am sad to say that for about a 5 year period Miranda was my waifu.
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Post by Silvery on Apr 19, 2021 2:34:19 GMT
A look at Miranda in the Legendary Edition from this tweet announcing photo mode.
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Post by SirSourpuss on Apr 20, 2021 2:44:19 GMT
Here's some fan made stuff. If only Bioware made this kind of merch. I am sad to say that for about a 5 year period Miranda was my waifu. I don't think I'd call her my waifu, but I still feel something. Every time I see her or hear her. We'll always have Yvonne to thank for that. I think what was being said is that BioWare would force her return, as they did in the entire MET. She even had her voice heard in MEA. On the other hand, she could have died on the beam run so maybe she's not such a shoo-in for future games. We can only hope. Oh man ... that conversation aged well.
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