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Post by Onecrazymonkey1 on Jul 24, 2024 16:13:59 GMT
Nothing is wrong with being old and I didn't say there was, but I'm not attracted to people in 70s or 80s age ranges. Age also has nothing to do with good or bad writing though, nor did I say as such either, what I said was "hopefully the writing is good and he'll probably be one of the better characters (in my opinion)". I'll hard disagree with you on Wynne too, she was nosy and self righteous for me. Different opinions and all that jazz. Given your first sentence was about age and being a manic pixie (although I don't think that term means what you think it means), followed by the comment about good writing, I was under the impression they were connected. Apologies.
Self righteousness is one of Wynne's character flaws though, surely she would be a worse character without it. And you can talk to her later about her nosiness and she apologizes, in fact in most instances where she disagrees you can convince her otherwise. But sure, agree to disagree.
The manic pixie comment was about this tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ManicPixieDreamGirl a trope I hate and which he doesn't seem to be, but basically it was a joke. Unfortunately for Wynne, her character flaw is one I hate the most, so while it makes her realistic and well written, I can't say I'd ever jive with her well or other characters like her.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 24, 2024 16:18:54 GMT
I figured it was a joke, it's just one of my pet peeves when people use the concept of the manic pixie dream girl to describe any girl that is even a little bit eccentric and/or quirky.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jul 25, 2024 3:06:56 GMT
How was Wyll treated? Genuine question. A lot of his issues could have easily been fixed if he just walked up and introduced himself to Tav like Shadowheart does if you haven't found her until the Grove.
And I'll be honest, the forced tiefling-or-devil-or-whatever-he-is-now transformation didn't do him any favors. Even the devils looked more human than he did.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 25, 2024 4:55:31 GMT
A lot of his issues could have easily been fixed if he just walked up and introduced himself to Tav like Shadowheart does if you haven't found her until the Grove.
And I'll be honest, the forced tiefling-or-devil-or-whatever-he-is-now transformation didn't do him any favors. Even the devils looked more human than he did. I think some sort of transformation was always planned for Wyll, but yeah I wasn’t crazy about it either. It wasn’t quite ‘turn the Black character into an animal for most of the story’ levels but it certainly felt… adjacent to that idea.
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Post by Felya87 on Jul 25, 2024 6:03:24 GMT
I think the real problem with Wyll was the astonishing lack of content (no spicy scene, less dialogues overall than all the others companions) and his own personal mission ending up... Not being about him in the slightest.
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Post by Reznore on Jul 25, 2024 6:12:03 GMT
Poor Wyll is 25/26 and he's talking like a wise elderly. The last minute rewrite just failed a bit with him.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 25, 2024 6:39:13 GMT
I think the real problem with Wyll was the astonishing lack of content (no spicy scene, less dialogues overall than all the others companions) and his own personal mission ending up... Not being about him in the slightest. Meanwhile the no spicy scene made him one of my favorite romances.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jul 25, 2024 7:19:51 GMT
A lot of his issues could have easily been fixed if he just walked up and introduced himself to Tav like Shadowheart does if you haven't found her until the Grove.
And I'll be honest, the forced tiefling-or-devil-or-whatever-he-is-now transformation didn't do him any favors. Even the devils looked more human than he did. Funnily enough that was one of the factors that guaranteed my Dragonborn romancing him. Smooth squishy hornless humans not so sexy to a scaled reptile person.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Jul 25, 2024 8:17:21 GMT
How was Wyll treated? Genuine question. There are many mods "fixing" Wyll by whitewashing him. This reminds me of the whitewashing mods for Isabela. Plain awful, whichever way you look at it. How was Wyll treated? Genuine question. He doesn't get a lot of love from the fanbase, and a lot of people ignore him or call him boring. He was rewritten at the last second and you can tell. I imagine they did this to make him more likable even though I thought he was pretty interesting as he was in EA. His story is underdeveloped and he's buggy as hell. I think he's receiving a lot of updates in Patch 7 so that should help. More egregiously, he's been a target of modders who make him white and such. Anyway I'm not as worried about Davrin. BioWare doesn't go out of their way to mellow their characters and play them super safe like Larian does, and there's no indication that he's going to be underdeveloped, especially with how much they have emphasized companions in DAVG. Interesting! I didn't see Wyll as particularly boring (I found Gale to be quite insufferable, though), perhaps because his VA is absolutely charming, imo.
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Post by our_lady_of_darkness on Jul 25, 2024 8:26:05 GMT
How was Wyll treated? Genuine question. Oh man, this is a sore topic for me. So I've been playing BG3 since early access, and was privy to Wyll's personality before they turned him into a pod person. In his original conception, he was much more grounded in his writing, his backstory bound initially to the goblins, and also much more theatrical and humorous in how he was played. (I know, Wyll, funny, can you imagine? I certainly couldn't have if I'd never played early access.) He was also more obviously a hypocrite, his relationship to Mizora more fleshed out before that was dumpstered for a connection with Karlach in which they don't interact for 80% of the game before deciding to run off into the hells together. Fast forward to the rewrite, now he's this tragic hero who fought Tiamat and is the son of a Grand Duke, his personality replaced with epic cool connections to random bits of lore in the Forgotten Realms. And, because it's a re-write, he has far fewer lines than anyone else in the game by a significant margin. I had been planning on romancing him in my main run and was so disappointed by the changes that I shifted to Shadowheart and never looked back.
But the most frustrating part of all of this is that they cited the reason for the re-write was because people weren't using Wyll. Wyll, in early access, was very easy to miss, and could even die in one of the opening fights without you ever realizing he could be a companion. He also isn't conventionally attractive in the same way as the other characters, given he's heavily scarred and missing an eye. A lot of his issues could have easily been fixed if he just walked up and introduced himself to Tav like Shadowheart does if you haven't found her until the Grove.
And yes, there are also mods that turn Wyll white and other gross things like that.
I didn't play early access so I can't compare early Wyll with his final version, but from what you're saying he does come across as a far more nuanced character. It's a shame he was so drastically "paragonized", but I still found him quite endearing (the VA did the trick). But here's hoping that Patch 7 restores some of his original ambiguity.
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Post by fylimar on Jul 25, 2024 9:18:14 GMT
There are many mods "fixing" Wyll by whitewashing him. This reminds me of the whitewashing mods for Isabela. Plain awful, whichever way you look at it. He doesn't get a lot of love from the fanbase, and a lot of people ignore him or call him boring. He was rewritten at the last second and you can tell. I imagine they did this to make him more likable even though I thought he was pretty interesting as he was in EA. His story is underdeveloped and he's buggy as hell. I think he's receiving a lot of updates in Patch 7 so that should help. More egregiously, he's been a target of modders who make him white and such. Anyway I'm not as worried about Davrin. BioWare doesn't go out of their way to mellow their characters and play them super safe like Larian does, and there's no indication that he's going to be underdeveloped, especially with how much they have emphasized companions in DAVG. Interesting! I didn't see Wyll as particularly boring (I found Gale to be quite insufferable, though), perhaps because his VA is absolutely charming, imo. I don't find Wyll boring either. I prefer him to fan favourite Astarion honestly ( which in all honesty has more to do with the sometimes toxic, because bigger, fancrowd of Astarion. His writing is good). He is the classic hero type with a twist and I like it. As for Davrin: he sounds interesting. So far he, Lace and Emmrich are the companions, I find the most promising. Maybe Neve too.
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Post by Lebanese Dude on Jul 25, 2024 11:30:00 GMT
And I'll be honest, the forced tiefling-or-devil-or-whatever-he-is-now transformation didn't do him any favors. Even the devils looked more human than he did. Funnily enough that was one of the factors that guaranteed my Dragonborn romancing him. Smooth squishy hornless humans not so sexy to a scaled reptile person. Fair enough lol
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 25, 2024 11:53:02 GMT
Heh I could only ever romance Lae’zel with a Dragonborn. It just seemed too perfect an opportunity to pass up, especially if you make them red.
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Post by Andraste_Reborn on Jul 25, 2024 12:20:37 GMT
Heh I could only ever romance Lae’zel with a Dragonborn. It just seemed too perfect an opportunity to pass up, especially if you make them red. I just finished a run that was Dragonborn Dark Urge and romanced Lae'zel and they were absolutely perfect together. Get you a girl who will (BG3 spoilers!) tie you up and yell at you all night if you need her to ![:wub:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/scRQRZMETVOTXDUFItkV.png) .
Wyll was the first romance I did and still my favourite male romance option even if I wish he had more content. Halsin is delightful but barely a fling, Astarion's is well-written and well-acted but not appealing to me personally for reasons that are even more off-topic than the rest of this comment, and Gale is so insufferable that I don't know how I'm ever going to get around to romancing him at all.
... uh, anyway, back to the topic of this thread: people who are planning to romance Davrin, what class/lineage combinations are you thinking of? If he doesn't lure my first Rook away from Harding, I'm currently thinking Crow elf Spellblade could be an interesting combination with a Dalish Grey Warden warrior. They'd have some things in common due to both being elves while having very different experiences of the world.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 25, 2024 12:48:11 GMT
Heh I could only ever romance Lae’zel with a Dragonborn. It just seemed too perfect an opportunity to pass up, especially if you make them red. I just finished a run that was Dragonborn Dark Urge and romanced Lae'zel and they were absolutely perfect together. Get you a girl who will (BG3 spoilers!) tie you up and yell at you all night if you need her to ![:wub:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/scRQRZMETVOTXDUFItkV.png) .
Wyll was the first romance I did and still my favourite male romance option even if I wish he had more content. Halsin is delightful but barely a fling, Astarion's is well-written and well-acted but not appealing to me personally for reasons that are even more off-topic than the rest of this comment, and Gale is so insufferable that I don't know how I'm ever going to get around to romancing him at all.
... uh, anyway, back to the topic of this thread: people who are planning to romance Davrin, what class/lineage combinations are you thinking of? If he doesn't lure my first Rook away from Harding, I'm currently thinking Crow elf Spellblade could be an interesting combination with a Dalish Grey Warden warrior. They'd have some things in common due to both being elves while having very different experiences of the world.
I also prefer a friendship path with Astarion to his romance, so I feel that. And Wyll’s romance is nice in that it’s a lot more stable than anyone else. Agreed though that I vastly preferred the writing for the female romances. I’m leaning elf spellblade too, but they’re a Lord of Fortune instead. I’m still working out their personality since I don’t really want elf Isabela or anything like that, but I imagine they’ll be more carefree and reckless than Davrin, which will make for a fun contrast.
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Post by jennica on Jul 25, 2024 13:05:40 GMT
... uh, anyway, back to the topic of this thread: people who are planning to romance Davrin, what class/lineage combinations are you thinking of? If he doesn't lure my first Rook away from Harding, I'm currently thinking Crow elf Spellblade could be an interesting combination with a Dalish Grey Warden warrior. They'd have some things in common due to both being elves while having very different experiences of the world.
I definitely will play as Lords of Fortune Human Slayer in my first playthrough. I'm still not sure about her personality though. Also, while i plan to romance Davrin first, who knows, maybe it will be the same with him as it was with Lae'Zel. I planed to romance her in my first (completed) playthrough, but ended up romancing Gale.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 25, 2024 14:25:12 GMT
I'm definitely playing an elf first run but leaving my options open as to who I romance as I think I'll let it develop naturally. I definitely see Davrin as a good friend rather than just a member of the team, even if it doesn't go further than that. Him being an elf obviously is part of that as my elves tend to gravitate towards the other elves out of solidarity due to the common adversity and prejudice all elves seem to face. I am fascinated to discover what made him join the Wardens. Also, I can imagine us bonding over Assan. I am waiting to discover more about how they describe our involvement with the factions and what the specialisms entail before making a final decision on that. I wonder if it will alter whether our backstory is Dalish or City elf. At the moment I am leaning towards a Shadow Dragon Spell Blade but the alternative would be a Veil Jumper.
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Post by TabithaTH on Jul 26, 2024 18:08:37 GMT
uh, anyway, back to the topic of this thread: people who are planning to romance Davrin, what class/lineage combinations are you thinking of? If he doesn't lure my first Rook away from Harding, I'm currently thinking Crow elf Spellblade could be an interesting combination with a Dalish Grey Warden warrior. They'd have some things in common due to both being elves while having very different experiences of the world. I feel conflicted about this. I feel a GW rook would be too ‘been there, done that’, but at the same time, it just feels nostalgic and fitting.
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Post by cymercenary285 on Jul 26, 2024 19:50:22 GMT
Not sure if this already mentioned but if anyone want a hint on how Darvin would sound there is a brief cameo of his va and a line in the first DA4 behinds the scenes trailer: at 3:18
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 27, 2024 0:47:59 GMT
uh, anyway, back to the topic of this thread: people who are planning to romance Davrin, what class/lineage combinations are you thinking of? If he doesn't lure my first Rook away from Harding, I'm currently thinking Crow elf Spellblade could be an interesting combination with a Dalish Grey Warden warrior. They'd have some things in common due to both being elves while having very different experiences of the world. I feel conflicted about this. I feel a GW rook would be too ‘been there, done that’, but at the same time, it just feels nostalgic and fitting. Yeah that' swhy I' mthinkin gGre ywarden mage fo rm yfirs tRook
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 27, 2024 7:26:57 GMT
I feel conflicted about this. I feel a GW rook would be too ‘been there, done that’, but at the same time, it just feels nostalgic and fitting. Apart from not wishing to saddle my Rook with a terminal condition in the Joining, I think I would prefer not to play a faction I was part of before because of how they may alter our perception of it. With DAI I played as a Dalish elf, thinking I already knew plenty about them from when I played as a Dalish Warden, plus further information gained in DA2 from Merrill. However, I kept being contradicted with the explanation being that the clans had grown apart over the years to explain the differences. It annoyed me at the time and made it less a case of revisiting my past role than making my experience and knowledge seem null and void. Now there have been hints in the epilogue to DAI that something of a schism may have developed between the southern Wardens and the HQ at Weishauppt. So, that may account for any differences in practice. Also, there were hints in the lore books that possibly the First Warden is less interested in fighting the Blight than political power, whilst in the Last Flight, where the griffons returned, it seemed the Wardens were engaged in some sort of research into Wardens behaving strangely in the past, intelligent darkspawn and the use of blood magic. All this seems to suggest that if I did decide to play a Grey Warden, I should not expect it to be a reprise of my experience in DAO and Awakening but should approach it as though it was a completely new faction about which I know nothing, as is the case with the majority of the others. It would be similar if I played a Crow, which would seem weird as they have always been antagonists in the past (Zevran was a defector and turned against them if we let him live), so I would have to forget all the negative associations I have with them. This is why I am more likely to choose one of the other factions since I have never encountered them before or had associations with them either good or bad, so can simply enjoy the learning experience like I did when playing the origin stories in DAO. Then I can let Davrin teach me about the Wardens from his PoV and not worry if it substantially differs from my own previous experience.
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Post by Grog Muffins on Jul 27, 2024 19:03:43 GMT
... uh, anyway, back to the topic of this thread: people who are planning to romance Davrin, what class/lineage combinations are you thinking of? If he doesn't lure my first Rook away from Harding, I'm currently thinking Crow elf Spellblade could be an interesting combination with a Dalish Grey Warden warrior. They'd have some things in common due to both being elves while having very different experiences of the world.
My first two Rooks will be ladies (elf Grey Warden and qunari Veli Jumper) romancing Lucanis and Emmrich, maybe my third will be a male Rook romancing Davrin, maybe Shadow Dragon or Mortalitassi, human or elf (I've very rarely played dwarves). Or the female Rook voices will enchant me so much I don't make a male Rook until much later. This happened with DA2 in reverse, I have more male Hawkes because I prefer the male voice so much more.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Aug 9, 2024 9:52:24 GMT
www.youtube.com/live/qu09x-GtI10?si=oycVU_aWliytagtcThey start taking about Davrin around 1:18:33 Kara: I'm going to be totally honest and I, maybe this will make people mad, I don't particularly care about the grey Wardens [...] With Davrin though I felt like actually pretty invested, like when he was in the party and when he was talking and stuff. And his voice is very nice, Amadi does a very good job and that's all I'll say on that [...] also Davrin always had his tits out, he's like 'look at my huge muscular tits' Ghil: On like the EA website where they have like a little blurb about each of the characters and I believe it mentioned that Davrin's a Monster Hunter.[...] And i think that people kind of went past that and like didn't really think about it.. but I think that's actually a major character point for him then it was there for a reason. Um, he loves hunting, that's like his thing. [...] He's kinda sexy about it, I don't know it's like it's the artform of hunting and like learning your beast um, like your opponents weakeness and exploiting that and it's very like intelligent and artform about it. It's almost like when you talk to a- in like media tropes i mean, where you get like the master of their art and there's like all these things you've never thought about and your like 'oh okay' Kara: you mean he's confident? Ghil: Yeah! Kara: he is confident yeah. I think that Davrin's is going to maybe surprise people by how much, maybe bravado, he has. Does that- do you agree with that? Ghil: yeah i was expecting one thing with his flirts and then another thing happened and i was like 'oh, we're going, oh, f***, I'm... okay'
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 9, 2024 17:29:43 GMT
Um, he loves hunting, that's like his thing. [...] He's kinda sexy about it, I don't know it's like it's the artform of hunting and like learning your beast um, like your opponents weakeness and exploiting that and it's very like intelligent and artform about it. Hmm, I don't mind someone being a perfectionist but I do hope he is not going to be a repeat of Iron Bull, who seems to get aroused by hunting dragons and to a certain extent killing generally or at least he seemed to enjoy it a bit too much. Solas pulled him up on it, which was one of the reasons I so loved him at that time because he was saying what I thought and believed but wasn't allowed to express myself. Admittedly if the monster or biped enemy is threatening others then that is different issue but I was always somewhat uncomfortable with killing dragons just because they were dragons, when they were miles from the nearest settlements and just minding their own business. In fact my first run I didn't engage any other than the one in the Hinterlands, the one in the Exalted Plains and the one in Crestwood, which without a doubt posed a threat to people. I also freed the dragon in Trespasser. Also, having something of an obsession with monster hunting is exactly what caused problems with Andruil in ancient times and also led to Ghilan'nains monster creation project, so I'm feeling a lot less positive about Davrin as a result of this information even if he does have a fluffy griffons for me to pet. also Davrin always had his tits out, he's like 'look at my huge muscular tits' ![:facepalm:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/LnUBktUNmyIRZJVJhGSZ.png) Strike two. An elven exhibitionist. ![:nupe:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/EPlwuDsjU0uMQykfdUHf.gif) Come back, Solas, all is forgiven!
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Post by celestielf on Aug 9, 2024 17:38:21 GMT
If I don't end up romancing Davrin on my first playthrough with my planned "canon" Rook, I think I'll make a Dalish Veil Jumper mage to romance him specifically. It can be a call back to the tragic Dalish romance with Tamlen in DAO, lol. Not that Davrin's romance is confirmed to be tragic, but . . . Wardens tend to be.
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