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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 10, 2024 11:13:39 GMT
![](https://i.ibb.co/P9q2pJ5/dragon-age-the-veilguard-screenshot-03-groupb-3840x2160-1718088902401-1.png) No idea if people have already done this but if they have then perhaps their comments could be posted here so they are all in one place. I was wondering if there might be any significance to the items on the table and who they are in front of. So, to kick it off, in front of Neve are an open book and a key. Is it just one of Varric's novels she is relaxing with or is she researching something? In the centre of the table is a stranger looking "map". It is nearest to Emmrich. Could it be a map of the Fade? I seem to recall the mages of Tevinter attempted mapping the Fade at one time but gave it up because of the shifting nature of the place. May be spirits have been helping Emmrich make a better job of it. There are several sealed scrolls but the one to the left at the front of the table is open. I was trying to identify the waxed image at the top. Is it the seal of the Wardens or something else? Close to it in the very centre appears to be some sort of dinger. Is it for use by Rook during meetings? Perhaps when things started to get heated. Ding! Next to the "Fade" map appears to be a map made up of triangles and a parchment with an eye symbol. It isn't in front of Bellara but could she be the one making sense of it? Does the eye indicate it was sent by the Inquisitor or some other, more ancient meaning?
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Post by colfoley on Jul 10, 2024 11:25:22 GMT
This screenshot will be the most picked over in the history of CSI BSN at this point I swear. ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png)
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Post by themikefest on Jul 11, 2024 2:11:36 GMT
Before I mention the items on the table, I want to take a look at the characters.
Bellara just told a joke making her giddy while looking at Harding and Neve who are smiling out of respect, but inside both know the joke was terrible. Davrin was offended by the joke that he's tempted to stab her. Taash is wondering why she even bothered to listen to that joke while at the same time would not complain if Darwin stab's her. Emmrich is wondering why he wasted a night of watching Vincent Price movies to listen to this mumble jumble Lucanis will make sure his next drink has more alcohol in it
For the tiems
The two books in front of Harding. One is book title Can a Dwarf be a Mage. The other is a copy of the Writ seen at the beginning of DAI in case they fail to stop the baddies. The next group could reestablish the Inquisition
The notes/sheets in front of Neve is a book she is writing. There are rumors she might call it I have my Eye on You or The Life of a Detective.
In front of Tassh are a couple of scrolls and a couple of qunari cigars. One scroll teaches how to use Gaatlock when using a bow. The archer can craft Gaartlook tips for their arrows. The other scroll is a recipe to craft qunari armor for dwarves. elves and humans as well as qunari.
The map in the middle is the basement of Bioware. This is where they keep all their cut content from previous games.
The 3 books stack on top of each other are the scripts for the dlc's
The paper with the red seal is from the Inquisitor authorizing them to use whatever means to stop the Solas threat.
The photographer is rook. He/she wanted to be in the picture, but because the camera doesn't have a timer, it wasn't to be.
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Post by Ice-Quinn on Jul 11, 2024 3:13:20 GMT
I think Bellara just farted, silent but deadly. Taash just noticed and looks annoyed, that enhanced Qunari sense of smell. And Davrin was chilling, quietly sharpening his blade, thought he’d sensed darkspawn for a second, a foul scent of death and corruption assaulting his nostrils. He’s alarmed. “It’s a Blight!” - he realizes. Emmrich is indifferent, no stranger to the smell of dead things. Neve and Lucanis haven’t felt it yet, they only smell their tea and coffee, respectively, but that’s about to change - ignorance is bliss. But Harding, she knows and is smiling mischievously.
I see nothing of interest on the table, honestly. Dunno… 🧐
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Post by kitcat1228 on Jul 11, 2024 3:39:13 GMT
I don’t think that’s a key next to Neve’s book, to me it looks like a metal tipped quill. I think everyone is taking a break from researching.
I think it’s cute that Harding is wearing slippers and Lucanis’s buttons are little crow heads. Also, Darvin’s leather pants are badly stitched and I a leather crafting novice could do a better job. I love these little details that show the characters personality.
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Post by Absafraginlootly on Jul 11, 2024 4:24:57 GMT
First thoughts for the strange map was it was an underground map like a sewer system or the deeproads.
But since it's in front of Emmrich perhaps it's a lower level of the Necropolis?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2024 7:34:23 GMT
First thoughts for the strange map was it was an underground map like a sewer system or the deeproads. Or the catacombs in Minrathous. There is meant to be a vast underground network there. Part of it is taken up with the Ambassadoria and part by the storage area of a year's worth of food supplies in the event of a siege but I seem to recall it mentioned that there was a lot more beyond that. There could be a lot of hidden secrets down there. But since it's in front of Emmrich perhaps it's a lower level of the Necropolis? Or it could be that too. We are certainly going to be visiting the Necropolis and green light does seem to be associated with it. I think it’s cute that Harding is wearing slippers and Lucanis’s buttons are little crow heads. I hadn't noticed that detail. So, he is still reasonably attached to the Crows or Caterina's influence still lies heavy upon him. Perhaps that is a waistcoat his granny gave him for his last birthday and it turns out he is sentimental about these things. ![:lol:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/qUctXNjCPgwPaLsZeKry.png) Are they really crow heads though? They make me think more of cobra heads, like Neve's leg. A nod to the Viper perhaps? Also, Darvin’s leather pants are badly stitched and I a leather crafting novice could do a better job. Poor chap probably doesn't have much time to devote to stitching between hunting monsters and caring for Assan. Perhaps Rook can offer to help.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 11, 2024 7:38:41 GMT
What is that in Bellara's hair? It looks like a dragon head.
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Post by helios969 on Jul 11, 2024 7:44:37 GMT
Or the catacombs in Minrathous. There is meant to be a vast underground network there. Part of it is taken up with the Ambassadoria and part by the storage area of a year's worth of food supplies in the event of a siege but I seem to recall it mentioned that there was a lot more beyond that. There could be a lot of hidden secrets down there. Location to one of Ghilan'nain's ancient laboratories (I speculate, hopefully).
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Post by colfoley on Jul 11, 2024 7:49:53 GMT
Or the catacombs in Minrathous. There is meant to be a vast underground network there. Part of it is taken up with the Ambassadoria and part by the storage area of a year's worth of food supplies in the event of a siege but I seem to recall it mentioned that there was a lot more beyond that. There could be a lot of hidden secrets down there. Location to one of Ghilan'nain's ancient laboratories (I speculate, hopefully). Is that a hopefully you are right or a hopefully that it stays just as speculation? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/CeRUIfXurYhaBmWjMBkt.png)
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Post by helios969 on Jul 11, 2024 8:08:20 GMT
Location to one of Ghilan'nain's ancient laboratories (I speculate, hopefully). Is that a hopefully you are right or a hopefully that it stays just as speculation? ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/CeRUIfXurYhaBmWjMBkt.png) ![:whistle:](//storage.proboards.com/6576594/images/KsWEGtwHLHUtTuiWt0OV.png) The truth is out there.
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Post by kitcat1228 on Jul 12, 2024 4:39:07 GMT
Are they really crow heads though? They make me think more of cobra heads, like Neve's leg. A nod to the Viper perhaps?
I thought about snakes at first but they look a lot like the crow hoods Zevran and others wear in the artwork. Plus we don’t know if Lucanis has any connection with the Viper. Isn’t that the head of the shadow dragons? Neve is their representative and Lucanis is the Crows rep.
I didn’t notice Bellara’s hair ornament but looking at it I agree it’s probably a dragon. Which makes sense since she seems to be interested in ancient technology and the ancient evanuris seem like the dragon form (or at least Mythal). Crackpot theory: the triangle motif she has going on relates to the executors and she is one of their agents. I could be mistaken but I think the chalk marks the executors were making were triangles? I went and re-read TN and the executor wasn’t described as having triangle patterns on his clothes so I’m probably wrong. But I thought about how in the mark of the assassin, Talis had a big ole’ Qun symbol on the chest plate (which I only noticed years later when someone pointed it out). So maybe it’s a sneaky clue?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 7:29:43 GMT
Location to one of Ghilan'nain's ancient laboratories (I speculate, hopefully). Oh dear Lord, now you come to mention it. Those pools were green weren't they? Something to do with being powered by green lyrium crystals. Also, if you squint a bit there is a sort of spiral there, which is also associated with the pools. Then, linking to Razikale (because certain connections have now been made between her and Ghilan'nain), she is said the wind the skein of wisdom and is associated with a labyrinth. Finally, in the Descent there are a lot of weird references including this one: The Deep Roads wind in deceitful spirals, concealing the sigil from casual observance. I could not discern its true pattern until I stood in the Fade and gazed down upon the vast malevolent engraving. So the strange map could be part of the Deep Roads as seen from the Fade (would likely need the assistance of spirits for this), revealing the location of the pools. Anyway, whatever it is, I'm sure that map is significant and has a creepy quest associated with it.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 8:06:07 GMT
Plus we don’t know if Lucanis has any connection with the Viper. Isn’t that the head of the shadow dragons? We don't know who his mysterious sponsor was in Tevinter Nights. He would seem to have done more than one job for them and always targeting Venatori, or at least other corrupt mages. He was getting assistance from some sort of underground network and it seems likely they were part of the Shadow Dragon network, since he told Illario they would help get the slaves to safety. Of course, he may not know the identity of his sponsor, working through an intermediary, or that he is indirectly working for the Shadow Dragons but I think there is a link there. However, Crow masks would make more sense than snake heads unless he knows he is working for the Viper. Neve is their representative and Lucanis is the Crows rep. On the face of it. However, unless we discover the whole fake death thing was cooked up by Caterina, he would seem to have cut ties with the Crows and is working independently of them now. Nevertheless, he would be able to give us much inside information on them as an organisation and if we need to make contact with them for strategic reasons, it may be he will be forced to confront his past and his tyranical grandmother in order to further the cause. We shall see. I didn’t notice Bellara’s hair ornament but looking at it I agree it’s probably a dragon. Which makes sense since she seems to be interested in ancient technology and the ancient evanuris seem like the dragon form (or at least Mythal). I've seen it in another image and there it did remind me of the symbol of the Veil Jumpers, a halla head. So, that would make sense. It still doesn't fill me with confidence though. Obviously, if she is a genuine Dalish then they don't know about the history of Ghilan'nain we found in the Temple of Mythal but I am still puzzled why they would make her associated with the Veil Jumpers. The other possibility is Andruil as Strife and his "clan" seemed to have a devotion to her. At least he knew that apparently Arlathan Forest was the domain of Andruil. The fact that the Dalish have such a positive image of her and Ghil would make sense considering most of the elven slaves in ancient Tevinter came from the city in Arlathan Forest. They have retrieved at least one ancient artifact associated with Ghil in the location. Both ancient writings and the Dalish seem to agree that they were allies, so that makes sense. If Strife's clan are genuine Dalish then I wonder how long they have been focusing on this area. He joined them close to Starkhaven, after which they traveled north but I don't think his story in Tevinter Nights made it clear how long ago that was. Was it before or after their strange book started re-writing itself? (see Ruins of Reality). How and when did they acquire that? Why did the Keeper give it to Strife to read, or how come a mere city elf could read something a Dalish Keeper couldn't? How did he/they have a map of Arlathan? Was that also an ancient artifact or had they been there long enough to map it out before the strange anomalies started occurring? I wonder how they are going to react now Ghil is free? Crackpot theory: the triangle motif she has going on relates to the executors and she is one of their agents. I could be mistaken but I think the chalk marks the executors were making were triangles? Not such a crackpot theory as plenty of people have been making the same connection ever since the illustration to the Ruins of Reality. I wouldn't read too much into the agent that was in Dread Wolf Take You because that was a really creepy dude, likely an actual Executor from Across the Sea, as opposed to those they may have recruited from the local population. Those mentioned in codices in DAI seemed to be just normal looking humans and elves. So, the Veil Jumpers could genuinely be just trying to recover artifacts and deal with the strange magic in Arlathan Forest without realising who they are aligned with. The fact that they are not just Dalish but a collection of interest parties, including humans, does hint to me that the Executors could be behind it. So, the question then would be who is in the know? Strife is the one I would be most suspicious of in that case. I never bought the idea he was just a simple City Elf on the run from the authorities in Starkhaven for general insubordination. I always felt he was likely an agent of some sort and even before the illustration in Ruins of Reality I had wondered about the Executors. On the other hand, Bellara could be an entirely innocent Dalish elf who got involved with them without knowing who she was really serving. The thing that makes me suspicious is not just her fixation with triangles but her strange vallaslin. That seems more than just a regional variation to me and has some deeper meaning. Also, just noticed the plinth that the table is resting on has a triangle motif. That's weird because the Lighthouse is meant to be the refuge of Solas and the Executors are opposed to him.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 8:21:31 GMT
I was just contemplating that they are sitting at (gathered round) a Round Table. The Veil Jumpers Guard are the new Knights of the Round Table. Who fills what role I wonder? I imagine Solas is Merlin, trapped in a cave. Ghil is Morgan le Fey and Elgar'nan is Mordred (first born of the Sun/true King). Also, what Holy Grail are we searching for?
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Post by colfoley on Jul 12, 2024 8:24:49 GMT
I was just contemplating that they are sitting at (gathered round) a Round Table. The Veil Jumpers are the new Knights of the Round Table. Who fills what role I wonder? (I imagine Solas is Merlin, trapped in a cave) Also, what Holy Grail are we searching for? Hmm how many knights were there in Arthurian Legend?
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 8:27:03 GMT
Hmm how many knights were there in Arthurian Legend? Not entirely sure. Probably more than seven in total but only a few actually feature in major roles. Will have to check. It also depends on which version you are using.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 12, 2024 9:21:20 GMT
I was just contemplating that they are sitting at (gathered round) a Round Table. The Veil Jumpers are the new Knights of the Round Table. Who fills what role I wonder? (I imagine Solas is Merlin, trapped in a cave) Also, what Holy Grail are we searching for? Hmm how many knights were there in Arthurian Legend? A lot, and like Gervaise mentioned, it could vary depending on the version, anywhere from 12 to over 100 knights. In Le Morte d’Arthur, one seat was always reserved for the Judas, the betrayer, and the siege perilous, for the one that succeeds in the quest for the Holy Grail. Hmm this is fun idea though. Emmerich could be Hector, Bellara as Tristram, Taash as Gawain, Davrin as Lancelot, maybe…? Would there be a Guinevere and an Arthur, in this scenario? If Kieran wasn’t quantum, I would have suggested him as the Galahad.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 9:41:03 GMT
I made an error as well, called them the Veil Jumpers instead of the Veilguard. I do think they should have given us a name that was substantially different to one of the factions. Hmm this is fun idea though. Emmerich could be Hector, Bellara as Tristram, Taash as Gawain, Davrin as Lancelot, maybe…? One of the features of many of the Arthurian legends is the theme of unrequited love or betrayal by a lover. Given how they say that the group grow close and if we don't romance someone, they might hook up with someone else, perhaps there could be an element of unrequited love going on, even if they don't go so far as someone betraying us for love. However, it does feed into the earlier themes with Andraste and Flemeth and of course there has always been speculation about the relationship between Mythal and Elgar'nan, Mythal and Solas and whether Mythal was literally betrayed by her "husband" in a similar way to Flemeth. For that matter there are two different versions of the Flemeth story depending on whether you are listening to Leliana or Morrigan. In Leliana's version, Flemeth runs away with her lover Osen and is tricked into returning by her husband, who kills Osen and imprisons her. In Morrigan's version Osen is the husband who essentially pimps out his wife to Conobor in exchange for wealth and power but is betrayed and killed by him, after which Flemeth exacts her revenge. Either way, it seems to me that Flemeth was the one betrayed by her husband. Anyway, I think Davrin would be better as Percival/Galahad and Assan is the equivalent of the holy grail in his case. Lancelot was never pure enough to find and receive the grail. However, if we think of the holy grail as the cure for the blight, then it becomes more significant in the story and the Veilguard are essentially the grail knights searching for a way to save/cleanse the world. Also, the ritual blade becomes Excalibur.
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Post by illuminated11 on Jul 12, 2024 9:46:27 GMT
I made an error as well, called them the Veil Jumpers instead of the Veilguard. I do think they should have given us a name that was substantially different to one of the factions. Hmm this is fun idea though. Emmerich could be Hector, Bellara as Tristram, Taash as Gawain, Davrin as Lancelot, maybe…? One of the features of many of the Arthurian legends is the theme of unrequited love or betrayal by a lover. Given how they say that the group grow close and if we don't romance someone, they might hook up with someone else, perhaps there could be an element of unrequited love going on, even if they don't go so far as someone betraying us for love. However, it does feed into the earlier themes with Andraste and Flemeth and of course there has always been speculation about the relationship between Mythal and Elgar'nan, Mythal and Solas and whether Mythal was literally betrayed by her "husband" in a similar way to Flemeth. For that matter there are two different versions of the Flemeth story depending on whether you are listening to Leliana or Morrigan. In Leliana's version, Flemeth runs away with her lover Osen and is tricked into returning by her husband, who kills Osen and imprisons her. In Morrigan's version Osen is the husband who essentially pimps out his wife to Conobor in exchange for wealth and power but is betrayed and killed by him, after which Flemeth exacts her revenge. Either way, it seems to me that Flemeth was the one betrayed by her husband. Anyway, I think Davrin would be better as Percival/Galahad and Assan is the equivalent of the holy grail in his case. Lancelot was never pure enough to find and receive the grail. However, if we think of the holy grail as the cure for the blight, then it becomes more significant in the story and the Veilguard are essentially the grail knights searching for a way to save/cleanse the world. Also, the ritual blade becomes Excalibur. Assan as the Holy Grail is adorable and I love it, ha. Sold. If we went with your second interpretation, what about the Inquisitor as the one betrayed? And Rook is the Galahad/Percival of the story. Perhaps they could also function as the betrayer, if that is the twist this time around.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 12, 2024 9:53:15 GMT
If they are bold enough to cure the Blight you really have to wonder where the franchise goes from there.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 10:38:15 GMT
If they are bold enough to cure the Blight you really have to wonder where the franchise goes from there. There could be a whole load of new possibilities. It is after all Dragon Age, not Blight Age. Perhaps the dragons will once again rule the skies. We were discussing on the Crazy Thread about an expedition into the Donnarks to establish new colonies. Alternatively, perhaps a sea voyage to discover new lands. Then there is always the politics in the established setting. Perhaps the dwarves will have a revival with the threat of the darkspawn out of the way. What will happen with Tevinter? Of course, a lot will depend on how they do resolve the Solas story, which they have promised to do this game.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 10:45:03 GMT
It just struck me how Taash in this image has totally the wrong skin colour. It is not blue/black and blue/grey but blue. At least the tarot and in game shots of Taash have the right skin colour: grey or dark grey.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 12, 2024 11:03:41 GMT
If they are bold enough to cure the Blight you really have to wonder where the franchise goes from there. There could be a whole load of new possibilities. It is after all Dragon Age, not Blight Age. Perhaps the dragons will once again rule the skies. We were discussing on the Crazy Thread about an expedition into the Donnarks to establish new colonies. Alternatively, perhaps a sea voyage to discover new lands. Then there is always the politics in the established setting. Perhaps the dwarves will have a revival with the threat of the darkspawn out of the way. What will happen with Tevinter? Of course, a lot will depend on how they do resolve the Solas story, which they have promised to do this game. Yeah you are probably right its just kind of...one of the many mind boggling implications that could result from this game. Just no more Blight. Sure its not the Blight Age but the Blight has pretty much been the one sword of damocles/ ticking time bomb which was just hanging over this setting from the outset. So its just hard to imagine what Thedas would be like without the Blight. But then are right there might be a lot of different other conflicts to explore in other continents and areas.
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Post by gervaise21 on Jul 12, 2024 14:43:39 GMT
So its just hard to imagine what Thedas would be like without the Blight. However, the amount of time the Blight has been out and about so to speak is relatively short in comparison to the history of Thedas, even if it was sealed away somewhere for far longer. Even if you only count the time from the Veil/Quickening the amount of time preceding the Blight was nearly twice as long (2,450 years) compared with the time that has passed since the 1st Blight (1,300). Add on the entire history of Thedas before the Veil 4,600 or so from the founding of Arlathan and you realise the Blight is a modern phenomena. Also, it is only really the dwarves who have it constantly on their mind. Most people had all but forgotten the darkspawn after the 4th Blight, except perhaps in the Anderfels and of course the Grey Wardens. The reason it seems so to the forefront in our minds is because we began our adventures with the 5th Blight in DAO, then had the expedition to the Deep Roads and freeing of Corypheus in DA2, followed by our battle against his rise to power in DAI. Nor does it seem as though we are going to escape the influence of the taint in DAV, so I can see where you are coming from when you say that as players the Blight had been very much tied up with our experience of the world. Still, that doesn't mean we can't move on from the trauma of the Blight if we manage to finally defeat it, just as the people of Thedas do.
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