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Post by Liepsnele on Aug 16, 2024 6:55:39 GMT
I assume Flemeth is dead, since Solas killed her in order to absorb her powers, but she managed to sent the spirit of Mythal to Morrigan through an eluvian. Glad to see her back
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Post by trengilly on Aug 16, 2024 7:05:27 GMT
Her outfit is ATROCIOUS, but good to see her back. I agree, the outfit is bad. What is it with all the shoulders and collars in this game? I'm surprised they went with Flemeth's headpiece for Morrigan. That thing clipped through Flemeth's face constantly throughout Inquisition. Hopefully they have solved that issue. But even if they fixed the clipping . . . why the heck would Morrigan wear the same thing her mother did? That's exactly the opposite of what Morrigan would do, she wants to be nothing like her mother. It literally goes against Morrigan's character to have her dress like Flemeth.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2024 7:35:21 GMT
I assume Flemeth is dead, since Solas killed her in order to absorb her powers, but she managed to sent the spirit of Mythal to Morrigan through an eluvian. Glad to see her back Actually I think Mythal killed Flemeth when she transferred to Solas. He didn't take her, she left of her own accord and he accepted the transfer. However, you are right, Flemeth/Mythal had a contingency plan in anticipation of his arrival. May be it was purely that she couldn't trust him not to mess up again in the future, so she had been preparing Morrigan all along as her insurance. It is possible that what she bequeathed to Morrigan was the spirit of Flemeth with the knowledge of Mythal, which in the long run might be the better deal than the one with Solas.
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Post by Liepsnele on Aug 16, 2024 8:01:42 GMT
I assume Flemeth is dead, since Solas killed her in order to absorb her powers, but she managed to sent the spirit of Mythal to Morrigan through an eluvian. Glad to see her back Actually I think Mythal killed Flemeth when she transferred to Solas. He didn't take her, she left of her own accord and he accepted the transfer. However, you are right, Flemeth/Mythal had a contingency plan in anticipation of his arrival. May be it was purely that she couldn't trust him not to mess up again in the future, so she had been preparing Morrigan all along as her insurance. It is possible that what she bequeathed to Morrigan was the spirit of Flemeth with the knowledge of Mythal, which in the long run might be the better deal than the one with Solas. You're right that Solas didn't kill her, I used the word loosely. I think Flemeth's/Mythal's power were transferred to him, and that's why Solas has the ability to turn people to stone now (it seems this kind of power belonged to Titans and Mythal learned it when she encountered them). I'm convinced Mythal's spirit has been given to Morrigan. I'm curious to see why Flemeth decided to split the two and give her powers to Solas but pass the essence of godhood to Morrigan.
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Post by fairdragon on Aug 16, 2024 8:11:50 GMT
Her outfit is ATROCIOUS, but good to see her back. I agree, the outfit is bad. What is it with all the shoulders and collars in this game? I'm surprised they went with Flemeth's headpiece for Morrigan. That thing clipped through Flemeth's face constantly throughout Inquisition. Hopefully they have solved that issue. But even if they fixed the clipping . . . why the heck would Morrigan wear the same thing her mother did? That's exactly the opposite of what Morrigan would do, she wants to be nothing like her mother. It literally goes against Morrigan's character to have her dress like Flemeth. If you remember what she said after she drink of the well of sorrow, you wouldn't have say that. What Morrigan want and where she will get are two different thinks. In the end her deeds are the reason why she get where she never wanted to be.
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Post by saandrig on Aug 16, 2024 8:37:44 GMT
Elven Rook "what's a Mythal?" Morrigan perma-kills your character, the save file is deleted and the game opens a store page with the previous DA entries.
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Post by saandrig on Aug 16, 2024 8:45:13 GMT
At the end of DAI, Flemeth always send something through the Eluvian. It was supposed to be a part of Mythal, the "essence of godhood" to Morrigan. I imagine wether she drank from the well or not, she accepts Mythal soul. HoF: So remind me again, why did I have to kill your mother? Did I fight a fkin dragon just so you willingly take up Flemeth's deal? That's it. From now on I win all of our arguments by default. And Kieran will go to college!
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Post by Garo on Aug 16, 2024 8:48:46 GMT
Her presence makes it a legit DA game
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 16, 2024 10:18:59 GMT
Her presence makes it a legit DA game Da2 isn't?
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Post by saandrig on Aug 16, 2024 10:22:38 GMT
Her presence makes it a legit DA game Da2 isn't? I guess Flemeth>Morrigan.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2024 10:24:32 GMT
I'm convinced Mythal's spirit has been given to Morrigan. I'm curious to see why Flemeth decided to split the two and give her powers to Solas but pass the essence of godhood to Morrigan. What exactly is "essence of godhood"? Her memories as separate from her soul? The Well was a sort of repository of knowledge and Cole seemed to think it was more than just a data bank but that it had the sentience of all the priesthood that had contributed to it. "You don't want all those voices in your head." Solas also warned the Inquisitor they would be inextricably bound to the will of Mythal and that everything they did from then on, whether they knew it or not, would be for her. So whichever person who drank from the Well is no longer has freewill if it contradicts the plans of Mythal. However, the person absorbing her soul would seem to gain something more than this, although from what Flemeth said it was now at most a partnership of like minded individuals and it was difficult to differential between the two. Flemeth died because Mythal transferred to Solas, that is undeniable, but was that all of Mythal? We know it is possible to split the soul between vessels. Flemeth did this with her amulet (although she could only "escape" with the correct ritual) and Corypheus did it with his dragon. With the latter we were told this was effectively his insurance against death. I've repeatedly questioned if the dragon existed before the Wardens imprisoned him and perhaps went into hibernation at the same time has he did in the prison. If the dragon was necessary for his regeneration to work, then that is the only answer. After we kill it, the split soul (essence if you choose) returned to Corypheus and allegedly we could now kill him without him regenerating. We do not know exactly how much the dragon could "think" for itself and how much, possibly, was Corypheus seeing the world through its eyes and controlling it. However, based off the information given in DAI, it would seem that the "soul" can be in two vessels simultaneously. If the dragon was able to act independently of Corypheus' control, but was using memories given by the split soul to inform its actions, then it is equally possibly that both Morrigan and Solas have a "piece" of Mythal, both pieces granting the knowledge that gives them the powers of Mythal beyond their own acquired knowledge and ability. This being the case, which would take precedence when it came to something like control of the drinker of the Well? Also, whilst both would appear to be aiding us initially against her enemies, what will happen when they are defeated? It will be fascinating to see whether this will ultimately result in a confrontation between them or they will unite against us. Remember whilst Solas may be in the Fade, Morrigan is very much active in the world. That could be significant.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2024 10:27:01 GMT
I guess Flemeth>Morrigan. Flemeth mentions her in DA2 in our conversations with her. So, she is present in spirit if not in person. She is, after all, part of Flemeth/Mythal's long term plan, so in a way that means she is also present in DAV in spirit if not in person. They sort of go together as a package. Whatever Solas acquired at the end of DAI, Morrigan is the real link to her mother and the ancient being that inhabited her.
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Post by Garo on Aug 16, 2024 11:30:23 GMT
Her presence makes it a legit DA game Da2 isn't? TBH I forgot that she wasn't there But yea, as others mentioned Flemeth was, so that plot link was present in all games.
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Post by phoray on Aug 16, 2024 11:35:05 GMT
The way y'all talk makes me feel like we had different understandings of Flemeth.
She ain't Morrigan's bio mom right? She adopted her off the side of the road or traded for her or something. Flemeth looks 70 when we meet her.
Flemeth groomed her to be the next vessel, it's on you if you want to take the word to mean some modern pedophilic slang. It's what she did. She did not mother Morrigan, she provided the bare necessities and a rigorous education in magic in complete isolation. While simultaneously abusing her emotionally regarding any natural human desires she could have. Did we forget the mirror story? Did we forget an elderly woman sharing inappropriate murdery/sex stories with a minor to help guide her towards never having a normal healthy relationship so Morrigan would never stop following her dictation? It'd be terrible if Morrigan got a friend, she'd be less maleable.
Morrigan deserves lots of things but the idea that she has to have a heart to heart with her abuser on screen to have closure is insulting to Morrigan.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2024 13:21:14 GMT
She ain't Morrigan's bio mom right? She adopted her off the side of the road or traded for her or something. Flemeth looks 70 when we meet her. As we have already discussed, people can look different to their actual age. Some look younger than they really are, others look older. When we meet her in DAO she looks like this: You say she looks 70. Even assuming that most people think the same, perhaps she is only 60. Morrigan is around 20 when we meet her isn't she? Or possibly older. According to WoT2 a group of Templars met her in the wilds when they judged her to be around 12 years of age. They had several unsuccessful forays into the Korcari Wilds before they gave up hunting Flemeth. Then a "number of years later" in 9:20 some Avvar hunters encountered her. So if this was several years after the encounter with the Templars, that means she was probably in her mid-teens. That was 10 years before the Blight, which would make her more like her mid-twenties when we meet her, say 25. Deduct 25 from 60 and that gives you 35, so perfectly feasible for her to be her natural mother. Even if she was 70, given Flemeth seems to have access to some sort of fertility magic and women can still conceive past 40, it was still possible for her to be Morrigan's natural mother, bearing in mind that Flemeth is really hundreds of years old so there is no real way of knowing how old she is based off her appearance, which she appears able to alter to suit herself. However, if anything that makes her treatment of Morrigan worse because she did deliberately seek out the father in order to mate with him with the sole purpose of giving her another heir that she could utilise when she saw fit. She accuses Morrigan of doing the same when she did the Dark Ritual, which to an extent was true since that is how Flemeth taught her, but then Morrigan rejected that path once the child was born and became a true mother to him. That's why she hid him from Flemeth, why she rejects Flemeth's offer utterly for the sake of her son, though she would willingly sacrifice herself to save him, why she declares: "I will not be the mother you were to me". I will admit though that Morrigan does also say: "He is not your grandson", so perhaps that does imply there is no blood connection, or Morrigan just feels that Flemeth has forfeited the right to call anyone her family. What worries me is that if she did finally accept the "gift" from Flemeth, how much did it alter her? If Flemeth or Mythal or the pair of them united in some way joined with her consciousness, how much influence do they have over her thinking? This is without the added complication of drinking from the Well. If she did, presumably Flemeth could have commanded her to give up Kieran, but she didn't. So perhaps the bargain she offered Morrigan was some sort of test, which she appeared to pass if Flemeth still wanted to pass on some of her power to her. There is a lot more to learn about what happened back then and why Flemeth acted as she did but unfortunately the only way that is going to happen is if either Morrigan or Solas tells us.
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Post by sloth on Aug 16, 2024 13:26:04 GMT
We don't know for sure that she appears in all world states, though I hope she does. Alistair's appearance in an Inquisition trailer ended up being variable between him, Loghain, and Stroud. did we have Alistair in an Inquisition trailer? wow, I really saw nothing before playing DA:I wish I could do the same for DAVe and be surprised with those appearances
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Post by sloth on Aug 16, 2024 13:29:59 GMT
Her outfit is ATROCIOUS, but good to see her back. I agree, the outfit is bad. What is it with all the shoulders and collars in this game? I'm surprised they went with Flemeth's headpiece for Morrigan. That thing clipped through Flemeth's face constantly throughout Inquisition. Hopefully they have solved that issue. But even if they fixed the clipping . . . why the heck would Morrigan wear the same thing her mother did? That's exactly the opposite of what Morrigan would do, she wants to be nothing like her mother. It literally goes against Morrigan's character to have her dress like Flemeth. the thing I didnt like that much was her hair will have to wait to see if it's just the trailer about Morrigan dressing like Flemeth, maybe this is one thing that would differ between worldstates? like, if she drank from the well, she wears that outfit. If she didnt, she wears different clothes?
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 16, 2024 13:33:35 GMT
I thought that Morrigan drinking from the well was deliciously viscously ironic. Spent years running from her toxic mother, only to end up her potential mental slave. As much as I love Morrigan, that was kind of deserved for her arrogance. Both Morrigan and Solas are two arrogant know it all brats who needed to be knocked down a peg and learn humility.
My impression of Flemythal was that while, yes, she was a horrible abusive mother, she was grooming her for greatness. I think in her own fucked up way she loved Morrigan and genuinely thought she would do great things and change the world for the better. I thought it was a nice twist that Morrigan feared her so much but in the end never had anything to fear from her.
Morrigan had a shit upbringing and Mythal knows it. But when you're playing the long game, you have different priorities. So pimping Morrigan out to create a god baby was something that was worth doing to her, as fucked up as that was. Sometimes I still can't believe that happened. Would not fly anymore today, I think. Basically forcing Morrigan to be raped as part of a ritual. She was still a kid basically. All kinds of horrifying what went on there with those two.
But I believe Mythal meant well and maybe regrets that all she accomplished was for Morrigan to deeply fear and loathe her. That was not what she wanted. It was supposed to be a gift. The greatest gift of all. A worthy successor.
I love their messed up relationship. Definitely a very unique dynamic. It's going to be interesting what Morgan is like now. Is she still her own person or Mythal reborn? If she is still herself what does she think about her "mother" now. Will she finally see the big picture and forgive her? Or will be she horrified and work against her and follow her own path?
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 16, 2024 14:08:13 GMT
Flemeth is one of my favorite characters in the series, but she was an abusive mother. The conversation in Inquisition is a close to a reconciliation as you're going to get, and that's how it should be.
That said, Morrigan's obsession with ancient elvhen culture was always going to come back to bite her. Never forget she formed a friendship with a Dalish clan to steal one of their cultural heirlooms (Witch Hunt) and that she's perfectly willing to kill Abelas for the sake of the Well, if the player allows it to progress to that point.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2024 14:53:01 GMT
My impression of Flemythal was that while, yes, she was a horrible abusive mother, she was grooming her for greatness. I've just realised that Morrigan and Lucanis have a lot in common. Can imagine a conversation between them. Lucanis: "You should meet my grandmother. She beat me and starved me and emotionally abused me to prepare me for my role in life as her successor." Morrigan: "You should have met my mother. She didn't beat me or starve me but she emotionally abused me and prepared me for my role in life as her vessel she could posses." Lucanis: "Okay, you win."
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Post by theascendent on Aug 16, 2024 14:59:29 GMT
If 'regrets' is a major theme of the Veilguard I wonder what are Morrigan'S regrets? She loves her son, OGB or not. She loves the Warden if they pursue a relationship. She would probably regrets drinking from the Well of Sorrows. She probably doesn't regret getting the Warden to kill Flemeth the first time in Origins.
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Post by gervaise21 on Aug 16, 2024 15:07:56 GMT
If 'regrets' is a major theme of the Veilguard I wonder what are Morrigan'S regrets? She also regrets parting with the Warden on bad terms if he didn't agree to the ritual but did father a normal Kieran on her.
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Post by illuminated11 on Aug 16, 2024 15:13:47 GMT
I could also see Morrigan and Kieran relationship becoming more complicated as Kieran gets older and more independent. But that's dependent on world state, so not sure they can centralize her character around it.
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Post by roselavellan on Aug 16, 2024 15:29:07 GMT
While simultaneously abusing her emotionally regarding any natural human desires she could have. Did we forget the mirror story? Did we forget an elderly woman sharing inappropriate murdery/sex stories with a minor to help guide her towards never having a normal healthy relationship so Morrigan would never stop following her dictation? It'd be terrible if Morrigan got a friend, she'd be less maleable. Not saying those things weren't horrible, but after the Evanuris and Veil reveal, I assumed that Mythal minimised human contact for Morrigan possibly to avoid a situation where Morrigan might identify and sympathise with humans over the ancient elvens. I don't know, wasn't there some sort of plan that Mythal and Solas were hatching? Was Mythal part of Solas' veil lifting plan? It's been a while. But I believe Mythal meant well and maybe regrets that all she accomplished was for Morrigan to deeply fear and loathe her. That was not what she wanted. It was supposed to be a gift. The greatest gift of all. A worthy successor. I do think Mythal meant well, as well as she could with fate of the world riding on her anyway. I saw her gentleness with Kieran, and the interactions between them - let's not forget Kieran understands and sees more than we know - and I do believe that in this situation she is genuinely trying to be as benevolent as one can expect. That said, Morrigan's obsession with ancient elvhen culture was always going to come back to bite her. Never forget she formed a friendship with a Dalish clan to steal one of their cultural heirlooms (Witch Hunt) and that she's perfectly willing to kill Abelas for the sake of the Well, if the player allows it to progress to that point. Morrigan seems to be basically Mythal without the bitterness, tbh. I expect her to surpass Mythal in power and wisdom, and I can't wait to see it.
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Post by Reznore on Aug 16, 2024 15:30:06 GMT
Morrigan is sacrificing herself. If she is carrying Mythal, she's carrying a fate that isn't truly hers. Perhaps there is a greater purpose, like saving the world/curing the Blight. But Mythal revenge/reckoning is also there, and Morrigan could die for that. Flemeth was a different story, she was pretty much desperate when she merged with Mythal so it was all win-win. Morrigan not so much.
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