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Post by Element Zero on Nov 5, 2016 16:27:16 GMT
I'd wonder why the asari and salarians haven't figured that out in two thousand years of space exploration
Because the Asari are like the dude who maxes the physics 404 final exam ... we think, "what an awesomely smart person" ... until we learn he broke into the instructor's office and stole the test answers. The Asari didn't create anything that wasn't cribbed from the Prothean beacon. So if they didn't get the tech from the beacon, the analogue doesn't exist in all the "advanced" Asari technology. Ya know, when all you have time for in your first two hundreds years of life is to be a stripper or merc, it doesn't leave much time for actual scientific discovery and invention. Then you enter the matron stage and priorities change. And Matriarchs? Well, someone has to be in charge. No time for inventing "stuff" when you're running the joint.
The Salarians ... it's cultural as well as physiological. If the Dalatrass doesn't think it's a good idea, then the scientific inquiry into that area is strangled in the crib. With a lifespan ~1/4 of a human (in 2187), they have a different perspective. Long-term projects tend to not get funded, only those things that show potential in the near-term (relative to the Salarian lifespan) are seen to have value.
Think of it like a garden golden world ... Asari lifespan makes them complacent, Salarian lifespan makes them too impatient ... maybe humans hit the sweet spot ... plus a giant dose of not knowing when something is "impossible" and going after it anyway. Our brains are wired differently than the Asari or Salarian brains. We're just too "dumb" to know better. Or maybe we are better at connecting dots ... taking three, five, nine disparate concepts and combining them into something new.
Given how far humans advanced ... not quite, but nearly on par with the "superior" races after less than 100 years of space travel (with a big boost in capability after discovering the mass relay) ... these Asari and Salarians, with 2,000 years of space travel under their belts, are not the "super genius super races" you're looking for.
It's not like humans are "superior" ... there are things humans really suck at ... things Asari and Salarians do quite well ... like needing only facemasks in the vacuum of space. Even then, using human cloning technology and genetic modifications, we could achieve the same result with Miranda. Of course, like Morinth, she was sterile, so I guess she wasn't exactly the evolutionary destiny of the human race, just a genetically perfect Cerberus cheerleader bosh'tet.
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Nov 5, 2016 16:37:48 GMT
I'd wonder why the asari and salarians haven't figured that out in two thousand years of space exploration
Because the Asari are like the dude who maxes the physics 404 final exam ... we think, "what an awesomely smart person" ... until we learn he broke into the instructor's office and stole the test answers. The Asari didn't create anything that wasn't cribbed from the Prothean beacon. So if they didn't get the tech from the beacon, the analogue doesn't exist in all the "advanced" Asari technology. Ya know, when all you have time for in your first two hundreds years of life is to be a stripper or merc, it doesn't leave much time for actual scientific discovery and invention. Then you enter the matron stage and priorities change. And Matriarchs? Well, someone has to be in charge. No time for inventing "stuff" when you're running the joint.
The Salarians ... it's cultural as well as physiological. If the Dalatrass doesn't think it's a good idea, then the scientific inquiry into that area is strangled in the crib. With a lifespan ~1/4 of a human (in 2187), they have a different perspective. Long-term projects tend to not get funded, only those things that show potential in the near-term (relative to the Salarian lifespan) are seen to have value.
Think of it like a garden golden world ... Asari lifespan makes them complacent, Salarian lifespan makes them too impatient ... maybe humans hit the sweet spot ... plus a giant dose of not knowing when something is "impossible" and going after it anyway. Our brains are wired differently than the Asari or Salarian brains. We're just too "dumb" to know better. Or maybe we are better at connecting dots ... taking three, five, nine disparate concepts and combining them into something new.
Given how far humans advanced ... not quite, but nearly on par with the "superior" races after less than 100 years of space travel (with a big boost in capability after discovering the mass relay) ... these Asari and Salarians, with 2,000 years of space travel under their belts, are not the "super genius super races" you're looking for.
It's not like humans are "superior" ... there are things humans really suck at ... things Asari and Salarians do quite well ... like needing only facemasks in the vacuum of space. Even then, using human cloning technology and genetic modifications, we could achieve the same result with Miranda. Of course, like Morinth, she was sterile, so I guess she wasn't exactly the evolutionary destiny of the human race, just a genetically perfect Cerberus cheerleader bosh'tet.
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Post by goishen on Nov 5, 2016 16:43:41 GMT
I'd wonder why the asari and salarians haven't figured that out in two thousand years of space exploration They did, but the solution wouldn't fit into ships of practical size. Or... The Asari have been sitting on the solution for years. Greedy, tech-hoarding... (That one is really lame, I know.) Or... This was never an issue before they decided to take the story beyond the relay network, so there were bound to be issues. Maybe the writers will surprise us with a creative answer. (I'll admit I'm not holding my breath. Asspulls have been detected on long-range scanners. ETA 2 days.) I know I've been hammering away a bit too much on this, so I'll leave it alone for a while. Could very well be that it's too large and takes up too much space where nothing else can be stored. Take the shadow broker's ship. How large is that thing? How few people could live on that ship? |
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Post by Iakus on Nov 5, 2016 16:44:22 GMT
I'd like this tech to have nothing to do with element zero. Maybe the ftl tech came from the abandoned jump zero and doesn't need to be discharged but has some other side effects. Nice idea, but unfortunately as soon as eezo was discovered, all other "goose chase" ftl research was abandoned and they never looked back. |
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Post by KirkyX on Nov 5, 2016 17:28:31 GMT
I don't really mind how they explain it - heck, I wouldn't care overmuch if they just ignored the issue - but I'm gonna stick with the whole, 'they reverse engineered the drives from the wreckage of Sovereign, with it being established that Reaper FTL drives don't need to be discharged' theory until we get something more concrete. My whole, dramatically over-thought theory goes thus: Construction started on the Arks before Mass Effect 1, as part of a plan to explore the Milky Way using conventional FTL. They were essentially a workaround for the Council's prohibition on opening new relays, with the idea being that, if you couldn't just go around opening up relays for fear of what might come out of them, you could instead send large, self-sufficient exploration vessels further from the edge of the existing relay network than any ship had gone before. That way, all the risk would be borne exclusively by those who had chosen to go, rather than the entirety of galactic civilisation. The project was discontinued, with the Arks in a state of partial construction, when the political will to complete it evaporated. Either a change of administration, or ballooning costs, or a more pressing concern--there's any number of potential reasons why an undertaking of that magnitude might become problematic to complete. This all changes with the Battle of the Citadel, and the reveal of the Reaper threat. Early research on fragments of Sovereign reveals the potential for a discharge-less FTL drive, and so the Ark project is restarted--with the stated public goal of exploring another galaxy in a grand adventure, intended to draw the best and brightest to sign up to take part, but the actual objective being to act as a 'lifeboat' for Milky Way civilisation. I dunno, I'm probably completely off base, but I enjoy this sort of speculation.  |
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Post by goishen on Nov 5, 2016 21:54:40 GMT
I don't really mind how they explain it - heck, I wouldn't care overmuch if they just ignored the issue - but I'm gonna stick with the whole, 'they reverse engineered the drives from the wreckage of Sovereign, with it being established that Reaper FTL drives don't need to be discharged' theory until we get something more concrete. My whole, dramatically over-thought theory goes thus: Construction started on the Arks before Mass Effect 1, as part of a plan to explore the Milky Way using conventional FTL. They were essentially a workaround for the Council's prohibition on opening new relays, with the idea being that, if you couldn't just go around opening up relays for fear of what might come out of them, you could instead send large, self-sufficient exploration vessels further from the edge of the existing relay network than any ship had gone before. That way, all the risk would be bourne exclusively by those who had chosen to go, rather than the entirety of galactic civilisation. The project was discontinued, with the Arks in a state of partial construction, when the political will to complete it evaporated. Either a change of administration, or ballooning costs, or a more pressing concern--there's any number of potential reasons why an undertaking of that magnitude might become problematic to complete. This all changes with the Battle of the Citadel, and the reveal of the Reaper threat. Early research on fragments of Sovereign reveals the potential for a discharge-less FTL drive, and so the Ark project is restarted--with the stated public goal of exploring another galaxy in a grand adventure, intended to draw the best and brightest to sign up to take part, but the actual objective being to act as a 'lifeboat' for Milky Way civilisation. I dunno, I'm probably completely off base, but I enjoy this sort of speculation. I actually like that theory. Has anyone ever said if we activated our relay, or did we just go to another system and they had a relay as well. Then, we tried to activate it as well ('cause why not?) and the turians attacked? Because it would seem to me that we would find the citadel pretty f'ing quickly if we had activated the one outside of our solar system? Thus avoiding the entire first contact war? It does seem entirely possible that the arks were made to sustain large civilizations, and I'm thinking that they were made to sustain large civilizations inside the MW galaxy. Then the first contact war happened, the turians got the council involved... The council found out about us and called off the turians and activated both relays. Thus leading to Joker's punchline about needing technical support from the asari. Yeh, I'm liking it. *AND*, I'm thinking that at least one had to have been already built to transport those people to Shanxi. The Alliance just had it mothballed. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 5, 2016 22:14:08 GMT
Has anyone ever said if we activated our relay, or did we just go to another system and they had a relay as well. Then, we tried to activate it as well ('cause why not?) and the turians attacked? Because it would seem to me that we would find the citadel pretty f'ing quickly if we had activated the one outside of our solar system? Thus avoiding the entire first contact war? It does seem entirely possible that the arks were made to sustain large civilizations, and I'm thinking that they were made to sustain large civilizations inside the MW galaxy. Then the first contact war happened, the turians got the council involved... The council found out about us and called off the turians and activated both relays. Thus leading to Joker's joke about needing technical support from the asari. We activated the Charon Relay first. That led us to Arcturus, and we expanded from there. Eventually, we activated a Mass Relay that the Turians detected us doing, so to prevent another Rachni War from possibly happening they attacked us, resulting the the Relay 314 Incident for them and the First Contact War for us. The Asari and Salarians learned that the Turians and Humans were fighting, so intervened and ended the conflict with humanity becoming a member of Citadel Space. |
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Post by goishen on Nov 5, 2016 22:16:35 GMT
Has anyone ever said if we activated our relay, or did we just go to another system and they had a relay as well. Then, we tried to activate it as well ('cause why not?) and the turians attacked? Because it would seem to me that we would find the citadel pretty f'ing quickly if we had activated the one outside of our solar system? Thus avoiding the entire first contact war? It does seem entirely possible that the arks were made to sustain large civilizations, and I'm thinking that they were made to sustain large civilizations inside the MW galaxy. Then the first contact war happened, the turians got the council involved... The council found out about us and called off the turians and activated both relays. Thus leading to Joker's joke about needing technical support from the asari. We activated the Charon Relay first. That led us to Arcturus, and we expanded from there. Eventually, we activated a Mass Relay that the Turians detected us doing, so to prevent another Rachni War from possibly happening they attacked us, resulting the the Relay 314 Incident for them and the First Contact War for us. The Asari and Salarians learned that the Turians and Humans were fighting, so intervened and ended the conflict with humanity becoming a member of Citadel Space. Awww crap, yeh. I forgot that some people call it the relay 314 incident. Why do I consistently feel I need a map? How far is Arcturus from there? Dammit! |
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Post by KirkyX on Nov 5, 2016 23:36:06 GMT
We activated the Charon Relay first. That led us to Arcturus, and we expanded from there. Eventually, we activated a Mass Relay that the Turians detected us doing, so to prevent another Rachni War from possibly happening they attacked us, resulting the the Relay 314 Incident for them and the First Contact War for us. The Asari and Salarians learned that the Turians and Humans were fighting, so intervened and ended the conflict with humanity becoming a member of Citadel Space. Awww crap, yeh. I forgot that some people call it the relay 314 incident. Why do I consistently feel I need a map? How far is Arcturus from there? Dammit! Hanako kinda beat me to it.  I'll just add that I was thinking of the Ark project as a post-first-contact thing, conceived in response to the Council's restrictions on opening new relays, rather than an old pre-first-contact endeavour. Though I think that idea could potentially work, depending on how they handled it... |
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