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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 16, 2017 11:44:55 GMT
First, it depends on if this is a beta or a demo. A beta implies unfinished game but approaching finished status) and the developer is seeking feedback from a selected group of people to tell them bugs found, things that seem weird/need improvement, suggestions for making the game better, and stuff like that. Stuff they can either tweak before the game launches, or build into a patch that will come out later, or ignore entirely. Generally, players submit this feedback through a private/secret forum or using survey links provided by the developer. Helping with a beta like that is just what it sounds like - helping to identify issues and submit feedback. It is not a party for you to bring your friends into/take video/share with the world UNLESS the developer says that's okay. More often than not, it is NOT okay and you have to sign an NDA and then risk legal action from them if you proceed to break that NDA and tell the forum all the pretty shiny things you saw in the beta. A beta isn't for hype - a beta is to try and do your part to assist the devs with making the game as good as possible at launch. It doesn't make you a BioWare (or any other game company) employee, but you should approach it with that manner and seriousness. If it's a demo, that's generally a game that's about ready to release and the point of the demo is to be public and raise hype, while also possibly doing a stress test of how the game handles an influx of people suddenly playing it. Those don't require NDAs and you can share all the information your heart desires. These days, and ever since the Halo 3 beta a decade ago, it's used for both. You crowdsource playtesting and build hype based on the hands on feedback for fans. That's literally the only reason why anyone says "hey, we have a beta! Sign up!" Otherwise, they can stick with the QA teams getting paid minimum wage to play the name non-stop for twelve hours a day for three weeks straight before they get laid off or fired entirely because they're no longer needed. Betas and the people who play them, livestream them, and upload their gameplay clips to youtube are all part of pre-launch marketing and are factored in to the overall marketing strategy. Won't be everytime like this but it pays off for the major titles, since they are likely to get attention anyway. It wouldn't really work that well with a no name dev / publisher I guess, but if you want to see how free marketing is generated by beta admission today just look at Battlefield 1.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 16, 2017 23:38:55 GMT
These days, and ever since the Halo 3 beta a decade ago, it's used for both. You crowdsource playtesting and build hype based on the hands on feedback for fans. That's literally the only reason why anyone says "hey, we have a beta! Sign up!" Otherwise, they can stick with the QA teams getting paid minimum wage to play the name non-stop for twelve hours a day for three weeks straight before they get laid off or fired entirely because they're no longer needed. Betas and the people who play them, livestream them, and upload their gameplay clips to youtube are all part of pre-launch marketing and are factored in to the overall marketing strategy. Won't be everytime like this but it pays off for the major titles, since they are likely to get attention anyway. It wouldn't really work that well with a no name dev / publisher I guess, but if you want to see how free marketing is generated by beta admission today just look at Battlefield 1. But it does work for them. It worked so well for them that they charge people money to play alpha builds.
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Post by Pounce de León on Feb 16, 2017 23:48:38 GMT
Won't be everytime like this but it pays off for the major titles, since they are likely to get attention anyway. It wouldn't really work that well with a no name dev / publisher I guess, but if you want to see how free marketing is generated by beta admission today just look at Battlefield 1. But it does work for them. It worked so well for them that they charge people money to play alpha builds. You mean early access? I'd rather pin that down to the availability of early access via e.g. Steam. It's similar, but the classic beta/demo is more about condensing the hype and sales pitch in a limited time rather than ship a game early.
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Post by Cypher on Feb 16, 2017 23:53:42 GMT
But it does work for them. It worked so well for them that they charge people money to play alpha builds. You mean early access? I'd rather pin that down to the availability of early access via e.g. Steam. It's similar, but the classic beta/demo is more about condensing the hype and sales pitch in a limited time rather than ship a game early. Early Access is only a thing because public betas to crowdsource fandoms and interested parties into expending resources to help aid in the final product took off. The only difference is that Early Access makes you pay for the game upfront while the traditional beta has you pay at the end, if you end up paying at all.
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Post by Pearl on Feb 17, 2017 2:20:58 GMT
Early Access was a mistake.
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Post by spacev3gan on Feb 17, 2017 3:51:39 GMT
Early Access was a mistake. Why is that?
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Post by Cypher on Feb 17, 2017 4:04:43 GMT
Early Access was a mistake. Why is that? Let's say when Bioware put out that "hey guys, we're making the next Mass Effect game" video back in 2014, they started selling it in whatever state it was in at the time a few months later with the promise of allowing those who buy the game to essentially be paying their way into helping them debug, test, and ultimately finish the game. Now imagine that in 2015, they just stop working on the game entirely, while it's still in what's pretty much an alpha state and then decide to use the money they got from the people who bought into Early Access to go fund some other game. That's why Early Access is a mistake. The idea of Early Access is fine; small devs make their beta or demo and sell it to the community, using those funds to further along the development with those who paid into it being supplied milestone demos once they're met, providing free buzz to get more people to buy into it and eventually giving the developer the money to actually finish the game and sell it like normal. However, very rarely does that pan out. People buy unfinished games that ultimately never get finished or get abandoned.
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Post by SalMasRac on Feb 17, 2017 7:17:21 GMT
Let's say when Bioware put out that "hey guys, we're making the next Mass Effect game" video back in 2014, they started selling it in whatever state it was in at the time a few months later with the promise of allowing those who buy the game to essentially be paying their way into helping them debug, test, and ultimately finish the game. Now imagine that in 2015, they just stop working on the game entirely, while it's still in what's pretty much an alpha state and then decide to use the money they got from the people who bought into Early Access to go fund some other game. That's why Early Access is a mistake. The idea of Early Access is fine; small devs make their beta or demo and sell it to the community, using those funds to further along the development with those who paid into it being supplied milestone demos once they're met, providing free buzz to get more people to buy into it and eventually giving the developer the money to actually finish the game and sell it like normal. However, very rarely does that pan out. People buy unfinished games that ultimately never get finished or get abandoned. It's a different genre so I dunno if many of your guys are familiar with it, but exactly this happend with Everquest Next. What was one of the first major MMPORPGs (back then it had the extra P) was supposedly going to reinvigorate and reinvent the genre, with a new ground-breaking game packed full of features. They had reps posting videos of conferences where they would show Powerpoint presentations of how awesome and innovative EQN was going to be. They had a spinoff game, "Landmark", which was nothing more than your character hanging out in EQN's equivalent of Minecraft. Your constructs could be submitted and included in EQN. People spent hundreds, in some cases THOUSANDS, of dollars on Founders Packs. Everyone was feeling pretty good. And then one day they came onto their forums and said that they weren't confident that the game would be as fun as they wanted it to be, so they were scrapping it entirely. EQN is officially dead. I wonder if any of those people got refunds? And how legit were those presentations all along?
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Post by MzAdventure on Feb 17, 2017 15:24:36 GMT
Checking back in ... desperate for news. WHY ISN'T IT MARCH YET??????
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Post by thebobzilla84 on Feb 21, 2017 22:43:51 GMT
Any news on the Beta?Its been quite a while without news.
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Post by bruhmanfifthfloor on Feb 21, 2017 23:57:17 GMT
I remember trying the mp beta for me3, never been so hooked on a game in my life. The asari adept and biotic explosion in their prime . can't wait to see how ME:A feels, i hope it's alot more smooth and fluid.
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Post by Pearl on Feb 22, 2017 4:52:02 GMT
Any news on the Beta?Its been quite a while without news. Nope. Nothing public, anyway.
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Post by MzAdventure on Feb 23, 2017 1:01:07 GMT
I'm still maniacally checking my email in vain hopes....
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Feb 23, 2017 6:04:52 GMT
Still nothing?...
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Post by Kenny Bania on Feb 23, 2017 12:13:53 GMT
The whole thing is a scam. Nobody here will get selected, and you'd never be able to prove it didn't take place.
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 24, 2017 5:44:38 GMT
The whole thing is a scam. Nobody here will get selected, and you'd never be able to prove it didn't take place. careful, this place is full of bioware fanboys who will rip you apart for posting such facts.
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Post by zorinho20 on Feb 24, 2017 6:00:11 GMT
The whole thing is a scam. Nobody here will get selected, and you'd never be able to prove it didn't take place. careful, this place is full of bioware fanboys who will rip you apart for posting such facts. That's the reason I stay clear from sp forum.I have a feeling, if you say something against their favorite anything, they will come to your home and slaughter you.
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Post by missileglitcher on Feb 24, 2017 6:02:22 GMT
careful, this place is full of bioware fanboys who will rip you apart for posting such facts. That's the reason I stay clear from sp forum.I have a feeling, if you say something against their favorite anything, they will come to your home and slaughter you. uh oh...im probably gonna have to move to another country and go off the grid (or disguise myself as a fanboy, but i fear they might see right through me). ive spent too much time in the sp section
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 6:17:14 GMT
careful, this place is full of bioware fanboys who will rip you apart for posting such facts. That's the reason I stay clear from sp forum.I have a feeling, if you say something against their favorite anything, they will come to your home and slaughter you. Go tell the Cora fans that her hair sucks. I really dont understand why they had a beta for Mass Effect 3 and not for this one.
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Post by zorinho20 on Feb 24, 2017 6:27:21 GMT
That's the reason I stay clear from sp forum.I have a feeling, if you say something against their favorite anything, they will come to your home and slaughter you. Go tell the Cora fans that her hair sucks. I really dont understand why they had a beta for Mass Effect 3 and not for this one. Or how about those creepy eyes. Good thing some mp characters look smoking,so I could heal my wounds.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Feb 24, 2017 10:18:29 GMT
The whole thing is a scam. Nobody here will get selected, and you'd never be able to prove it didn't take place. careful, this place is full of bioware fanboys who will rip you apart for posting such facts. They can try...
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Post by TheWhiteWolf on Feb 24, 2017 11:07:18 GMT
careful, this place is full of bioware fanboys who will rip you apart for posting such facts. That's the reason I stay clear from sp forum.I have a feeling, if you say something against their favorite anything, they will come to your home and slaughter you. Yeah, but it's still fun watching the peanut gallery go full retard over who's waifu is the best or "does my LI ass look big in this armour" type threads.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 20:15:40 GMT
For those that don't go to general or character section: BioWare @biowareMass Effect: Andromeda has gone gold. Looks like they finalized everything (except for a day 1 patch)
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Post by Heroicmass on Feb 24, 2017 20:47:41 GMT
They could still have a beta as most of the tweaks they would make would be balance changes that don't require patches.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Feb 25, 2017 6:22:42 GMT
Why did we sign up for a beta if they don't have a beta? I'm so confused...
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