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Post by themikefest on Nov 11, 2016 19:21:38 GMT
" Cerberus " Nobody mentioned them, so there. Whatever happened to ma Ryder, it was Cerberus. But in all seriousness there could be a number of tropes tied to her story. Who knows. Its possible we've seen her before. Her name is Jana Ryder. hahahahaha. She is a Cerberus scientist. She is seen in the video talking to TIM on Chronos.
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Post by MrR40 on Nov 11, 2016 19:40:25 GMT
" Cerberus " Nobody mentioned them, so there. Whatever happened to ma Ryder, it was Cerberus. But in all seriousness there could be a number of tropes tied to her story. Who knows. Its possible we've seen her before. Her name is Jana Ryder. hahahahaha. She is a Cerberus scientist. She is seen in the video talking to TIM on Chronos. Good find, makes me curious as to the motivation of the Ryder family to join the A.I. Are they on the run from TIM and his band of flunkies ? Did Kai Lame assassinate Jana ? The possibilities are endless where Cerberus is concerned. This tidbit might be the link Bioware needs to fit in Cerberus into ME:Andromeda. Note: This is wild conjecture on my part, I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry if they have any presence in the game.
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 11, 2016 19:47:45 GMT
My gut says that she was a casualty of the Eden Prime War or some earlier conflict, and that's part of why her husband and children are okay with leaving the galaxy behind. I feel like something like that is likely, as well, but not for the sibling's motivations as much as Alec's. He was among the first to travel with Jon Grissom through the Charon relay (Relay 314) and be attacked by turians, so I could certainly see Alec being: 1. A bit xenophobic if his partner was killed by aliens as well as personally being attacked without provocation. 2. Motivated to leave the Milky Way/less attached to staying. 3. Incredibly irritated, to say the least, that basically the exact same thing happened to him again - a peaceful endeavour being mercilessly attacked upon unknowingly entering the territory of an alien species. I could even see that leading to him being in an antagonistic role with more extreme ideas about how to establish a homeworld in Andromeda (genocide-type ideas). Or maybe you can agree with him. Or maybe he'll just be very cynical. I hope there'll be multiple options the player can select for why their Ryder were fine with leaving. Or if they are fine with leaving at all. I think there should be options as well for you not being okay with it. I'm all for more options, especially about motivations, but it wouldn't really make sense for the sibling to have not wanted to leave. They're an adult and wouldn't be obliged to, and wouldn't be forced. So I agree with shechinah, the best you can hope for is an option to regret the trip, which I'm sure we'll get. Big, tough, alpha, captain heroman/Alec Ryder is our Heroes father. He is an elite Alliance marine with the iconic N7 designation, and was one of the first human explorers to map some milkyway relay (or so I've read). ...and he will probably die/go missing/be taken prisoner early on, so that we can be the hero of the big cool adventure. But what about dear old mom? Will she die long before the story begins, similar to Hawke's father? Fail to be mentioned similar to spacer Shepard's dad? Who was she? A soldier/scientist/civilian? Or my favourite theory... Gian (Jian?) is our mother. Probably not the case, it just occurred to me while herself and Alec were standing around together during the human AI recruitment trailer. Maybe Alec volunteered to raise the kids while she devoted herself to the Andromeda Initiative? Anyhow, what do YOU think? Will she play into the Ryder families big "secret" or will she just be a ghost of a character? That idea crossed my mind too! ... but I don't see if it can work. The siblings are a product of an affair maybe? Or simply Jien didn't adopt her husband's surname? Maybe they are not even married. Nah, probably mama Ryder died somehow (Sovereign Attack, Colony attack by the Collectors...) or she left for an Asari. The only reason I don't think that would work is that we'll likely see Jieng's (I think that was the spelling) face at some point, leading to complications of ethnicity. I'm not sure why it would matter that she has a different last name though. Plenty of women keep their own surnames even now, and I definitely wouldn't see that as odd in 2185. Also, as you said, they might not be married or even together anymore. I would like to hear/read a well-fleshed-out story about her, and how she influenced the siblings. If ME:A Initiation can ever become a reality, that seems like a nice place for us to read about her personal story. Her story is fine, but not how the siblings were influenced by her, because that's a breach of roleplaying. She's dead because protagonists can't have mothers. They have to either be orphans, or only have a father. It's law. Spacer Shepard was an aberration. It wasn't just Shepard in Bioware games. Hawke, too, and some of the other backgrounds in DA have both parents alive even if you don't meet them. Anyway, there is another possibility: Alec is a single dad and never wanted a partner. Through either surrogacy or advanced science, there was never really a mother in the picture.
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Post by theflyingzamboni on Nov 11, 2016 19:52:42 GMT
She's dead because protagonists can't have mothers. They have to either be orphans, or only have a father. It's law. Spacer Shepard was an aberration. It wasn't just Shepard in Bioware games. Hawke, too, and some of the other backgrounds in DA have both parents alive even if you don't meet them. Anyway, there is another possibility: Alec is a single dad and never wanted a partner. Through either surrogacy or advanced science, there was never really a mother in the picture. And how did that work out for her?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 19:53:20 GMT
Or if they are fine with leaving at all. I think there should be options as well for you not being okay with it. They would have to provide a reason for why they'd went on the ARK since I don't think that they could be forced along. I could see Ryder feeling like they had to go because their family, in the form of their sibling and papa, were going. Maybe with papa putting on some pressure courtesy of him secretly knowing about the Reapers. Could also be that Ryder had delayed regret about going. Hmm... Or if they are fine with leaving at all. I think there should be options as well for you not being okay with it. I'm all for more options, especially about motivations, but it wouldn't really make sense for the sibling to have not wanted to leave. They're an adult and wouldn't be obliged to, and wouldn't be forced. So I agree with shechinah , the best you can hope for is an option to regret the trip, which I'm sure we'll get. You could be forced along. For example if you are in the military your father outranks you and he can order you to go. But if we are stuck with those few options you say, great 'my' character is already not my character and instead a predetermined protagonist.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2016 21:04:47 GMT
You could be forced along. For example if you are in the military your father outranks you and he can order you to go. But if we are stuck with those few options you say, great 'my' character is already not my character and instead a predetermined protagonist. If you are hoping for the levels of control and determination over Ryder that your post here suggests, then I doubt you are going to find it in Andromeda and in Ryder. A Bethesda silent protagonist would probably be a safer bet. BioWare arent exactly known for giving you a protagonist you can completely sculpt as your own beyond appearance, choices in dialogues and in game and with relationships etc. there has always been a strong predetermination for Shepard within the trilogy. Many likely didn't want to go along with Cerberus in ME2, but they had no choice in the matter, other than the option to choose to be salty about working with/for them etc. i expect this will be the same in Andromeda regarding Ryder and leaving etc.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 11, 2016 21:12:23 GMT
You could be forced along. For example if you are in the military your father outranks you and he can order you to go. But if we are stuck with those few options you say, great 'my' character is already not my character and instead a predetermined protagonist. If the mission is only for those who volunteered, then I don't see why dad would order his kids to go.
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Post by dalinne on Nov 11, 2016 22:06:42 GMT
It wasn't just Shepard in Bioware games. Hawke, too, and some of the other backgrounds in DA have both parents alive even if you don't meet them. Anyway, there is another possibility: Alec is a single dad and never wanted a partner. Through either surrogacy or advanced science, there was never really a mother in the picture. And how did that work out for her? We could be adopted?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 22:12:10 GMT
You could be forced along. For example if you are in the military your father outranks you and he can order you to go. But if we are stuck with those few options you say, great 'my' character is already not my character and instead a predetermined protagonist. If you are hoping for the levels of control and determination over Ryder that your post here suggests, then I doubt you are going to find it in Andromeda and in Ryder. A Bethesda silent protagonist would probably be a safer bet. BioWare arent exactly known for giving you a protagonist you can completely sculpt as your own beyond appearance, choices in dialogues and in game and with relationships etc. there has always been a strong predetermination for Shepard within the trilogy. Many likely didn't want to go along with Cerberus in ME2, but they had no choice in the matter, other than the option to choose to be salty about working with/for them etc. i expect this will be the same in Andromeda regarding Ryder and leaving etc. Seems so. Bioware did it with the Inquisitor, but I guess that was too much to expect out of the Mass Effect team. If what the others are saying is true, we won't even get to do what we did with ME2 since we'll be stuck with only being totally for this mission. You could be forced along. For example if you are in the military your father outranks you and he can order you to go. But if we are stuck with those few options you say, great 'my' character is already not my character and instead a predetermined protagonist. If the mission is only for those who volunteered, then I don't see why dad would order his kids to go. Well Bioware suggested that some people involved knew about the imminent Reaper invasion. Your father is one of the highest members of the Initiative so would most likely be one of those who do know, so could force his kids along as a way to protect them from the Reapers.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 11, 2016 22:35:03 GMT
Well Bioware suggested that some people involved knew about the imminent Reaper invasion. Your father is one of the highest members of the Initiative so would most likely be one of those who do know, so could force his kids along as a way to protect them from the Reapers. I would tell my father to stuff it where the sun don't shine especially if I'm old enough to decide if I want to go on the trip or not. Even if he was able to force me to go, it would put a strain on our relationship.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 11, 2016 22:36:40 GMT
Well Bioware suggested that some people involved knew about the imminent Reaper invasion. Your father is one of the highest members of the Initiative so would most likely be one of those who do know, so could force his kids along as a way to protect them from the Reapers. I would tell my father to stuff it where the sun don't shine especially if I'm old enough to decide if I want to go on the trip or not. Even he was able to force me to go, it would put a strain on our relationship. And I would like that to be an option instead of Ryder being stuck as "We're going to Andromeda! This is cool! Thanks dad!".
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Post by Kantr on Nov 12, 2016 0:38:27 GMT
Plot Twist. Mom is FShep after a drunken nights stand and were transferred to an artificial womb.
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Post by TheChosenOne on Nov 12, 2016 0:49:33 GMT
pfff...... MCs don't have mothers,stupid!
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Post by BansheeOwnage on Nov 13, 2016 4:28:49 GMT
Seems so. Bioware did it with the Inquisitor, but I guess that was too much to expect out of the Mass Effect team. If what the others are saying is true, we won't even get to do what we did with ME2 since we'll be stuck with only being totally for this mission. If the mission is only for those who volunteered, then I don't see why dad would order his kids to go. Well Bioware suggested that some people involved knew about the imminent Reaper invasion. Your father is one of the highest members of the Initiative so would most likely be one of those who do know, so could force his kids along as a way to protect them from the Reapers. I have a hard time seeing them being forced along even if Alec knew about the Reapers and wanted to. Out of curiosity, are you wanting to specifically play a character who would never want to leave the Milky Way? Plot Twist. Mom is FShep after a drunken nights stand and were transferred to an artificial womb. I know you're not being serious, but Shepard would be like 10, maximum, when the Ryder twins were born, so...
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Post by KaiserShep on Nov 13, 2016 4:34:18 GMT
They would have to provide a reason for why they'd went on the ARK since I don't think that they could be forced along. I could see Ryder feeling like they had to go because their family, in the form of their sibling and papa, were going. Maybe with papa putting on some pressure courtesy of him secretly knowing about the Reapers. Could also be that Ryder had delayed regret about going. Hmm... I'm all for more options, especially about motivations, but it wouldn't really make sense for the sibling to have not wanted to leave. They're an adult and wouldn't be obliged to, and wouldn't be forced. So I agree with shechinah , the best you can hope for is an option to regret the trip, which I'm sure we'll get. You could be forced along. For example if you are in the military your father outranks you and he can order you to go. But if we are stuck with those few options you say, great 'my' character is already not my character and instead a predetermined protagonist. How is it different from Shepard being ordered to go down to Eden Prime, or the PC of Dragon Age Origins being forced to drink darkspawn blood with no option to fight Duncan?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 13, 2016 4:41:48 GMT
Seems so. Bioware did it with the Inquisitor, but I guess that was too much to expect out of the Mass Effect team. If what the others are saying is true, we won't even get to do what we did with ME2 since we'll be stuck with only being totally for this mission. Well Bioware suggested that some people involved knew about the imminent Reaper invasion. Your father is one of the highest members of the Initiative so would most likely be one of those who do know, so could force his kids along as a way to protect them from the Reapers. I have a hard time seeing them being forced along even if Alec knew about the Reapers and wanted to. Out of curiosity, are you wanting to specifically play a character who would never want to leave the Milky Way? Yes, I had a few characters in mind that were not going to have positive feelings about going to Andromeda. For example if they knew of the Reapers I was planning on having one feel guilt over abandoning those in need. Other than that, I just don't think your character should be forced to be a certain way. You could be forced along. For example if you are in the military your father outranks you and he can order you to go. But if we are stuck with those few options you say, great 'my' character is already not my character and instead a predetermined protagonist. How is it different from Shepard being ordered to go down to Eden Prime, or the PC of Dragon Age Origins being forced to drink darkspawn blood with no option to fight Duncan? Last I checked we did have an option to oppose drinking the Darkspawn blood or show hesitation. Duncan replies by stating you have no choice, made clear when he murders Jory when he still opposes. As for Shepard, not a good defense with me because a predetermined protagonist like Shepard is what I'm hoping they avoid. Even then Shepard was able to express dislike at most things, like working with Cerberus. Plus big difference between landing on a planet and leaving your home galaxy never to return.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 13, 2016 6:15:20 GMT
I have a hard time seeing them being forced along even if Alec knew about the Reapers and wanted to. Out of curiosity, are you wanting to specifically play a character who would never want to leave the Milky Way? Yes, I had a few characters in mind that were not going to have positive feelings about going to Andromeda. For example if they knew of the Reapers I was planning on having one feel guilt over abandoning those in need. Other than that, I just don't think your character should be forced to be a certain way. How is it different from Shepard being ordered to go down to Eden Prime, or the PC of Dragon Age Origins being forced to drink darkspawn blood with no option to fight Duncan? Last I checked we did have an option to oppose drinking the Darkspawn blood or show hesitation. Duncan replies by stating you have no choice, made clear when he murders Jory when he still opposes. As for Shepard, not a good defense with me because a predetermined protagonist like Shepard is what I'm hoping they avoid. Even then Shepard was able to express dislike at most things, like working with Cerberus. Plus big difference between landing on a planet and leaving your home galaxy never to return. There are limits to how open a VG RPG can be made. This is not a TTRPG that we are all sitting down to play. I'm not saying that I can't see your point; I just think your desires often seem to be just out of reach.
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Post by themikefest on Nov 13, 2016 13:33:53 GMT
Mom could've died giving birth to the twins. As someone mentioned, she may of been killed on Eden Prime. I wonder if Ashley knew her? She could've been killed on one of the ships that Sovereign destroys. Maybe the Ryder family are colonists and mom was abducted by the collectors while dad and kids were somewhere doing whatever.
If mom is alive and not going to Andromeda, I would be curious why she isn't. For me, I would not leave if she was to stay in the Milky Way. And knowing my father, he would stay as well especially if I chose to stay.
Maybe she does come to Andromeda, but Bioware won't say anything because it would be a big spoiler? Possible.
She might die when they first arrive in Andromeda. That would suck. I've mentioned that I wouldn't want any family deaths in the game. If there has to be a death, have another character die.
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Post by hopeless on Nov 13, 2016 16:35:29 GMT
Interesting thoughts posted here! I was wondering if Jian is actually their Aunt and she had their mother killed to insure Alec and the kids came along?
She's just as much in love with Alec but her sister... huh I could see her wanting them somewhere safe after all if that was their mother then she KNOWS about the Reaper invasion and indoctrination so it would make more sense she faked her own death and persuaded her sister to go along to insure her family survived?!
If their mother was Cerberus then maybe so is Jian and she had her own reasons for wanting Alec and the kids only her sister's link to Cerberus was discerned and whilst she was able to prove her loyalty, Alec and the rest on Hyperion couldn't so they assumed they were Cerberus and arranged an accident to explain why the entire Ark went off course?
Some scary stuff indeed!
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Post by Kantr on Nov 14, 2016 21:50:47 GMT
Plot Twist. Mom is FShep after a drunken nights stand and were transferred to an artificial womb. I know you're not being serious, but Shepard would be like 10, maximum, when the Ryder twins were born, so... Oh I wasn't super clear on the timelines. So the ship is leaving sometime during Mass Effect 1?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Nov 14, 2016 22:59:16 GMT
I know you're not being serious, but Shepard would be like 10, maximum, when the Ryder twins were born, so... Oh I wasn't super clear on the timelines. So the ship is leaving sometime during Mass Effect 1? The mission launches after ME2 and before ME3.
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Post by General Mahad on Nov 14, 2016 23:15:26 GMT
After she finds out her hubby wants to join a group to go to another galaxy, she dumps the clown. The children liked the idea of exploring another galaxy, so they side with their father. Mom is currently working at Purgatory as a bartender Best backstory to any Mass Effect character ever.
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