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Post by RageUnderFire on Nov 14, 2016 22:49:21 GMT
Play with it. Feel free to draw up your own scenarios. This is money. We ultimately tap Asari azz. Asari use their diplomatic savvy to stroke the Khet off and maximize the chances of survival. But Khet hate us. So we form a Human-Krogan-Turian-Salarian coalition to run a train on those Asari siding with Khet
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 15, 2016 0:30:48 GMT
It would be a hugely wasted opportunity not to exploit the old intergalactic baggage.
Jien Garson: What? Salarians are turning up dead? Some kind of alien virus you say? And what's wrong with those krogans over there?
Pathfinder: If I didn't know better, they are either very constipated, or trying very hard to look innocent.
And if I had to rank who is most likely to sell-out every other species for the greater good, the Asari would not top the list. Humans hold that crown.
Yes, yes, the hidden Beacon, yes. So Asari are #2. At least they didn't get Indoctrinated for the good of humanity.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Nov 15, 2016 0:57:28 GMT
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Post by Pearl on Nov 15, 2016 1:16:44 GMT
If we wind up waiting five years to go to a different galaxy only to predominantly shoot at more Milky Way races, I'll be pretty disappointed famalam.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 15, 2016 3:39:44 GMT
If we wind up waiting five years to go to a different galaxy only to predominantly shoot at more Milky Way races, I'll be pretty disappointed famalam. Who said anything about shooting?
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 15, 2016 3:52:56 GMT
I think you'll see more cooperation, in the end, than infighting. Such behavior would be self-destructive.
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Post by Pearl on Nov 15, 2016 4:10:36 GMT
If we wind up waiting five years to go to a different galaxy only to predominantly shoot at more Milky Way races, I'll be pretty disappointed famalam. Who said anything about shooting? It's pretty heavily implied, isn't it? Asari use their diplomatic savvy to stroke the Khet off and maximize the chances of survival. But Khet hate us. So we form a Human-Krogan-Turian-Salarian coalition to run a train on those Asari siding with Khet
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2016 7:32:25 GMT
I doubt they would just put random humans, turians, asari, salarians and krogans onto Nexus and arks ships. Plotwise it seems they would specifically assemble crew of each Ark to be able to co-operate within the Ark and members of other Arks, so that no senseless war between sibling Milky Way races would occur. Harsh-feelings / First Contact War resentiments / racism ect. are notions they wouldn't want among any of the crews, so they had to scan every individual to prevent such things.
There is a limited amount of members of each Milky Way race in Andromeda, than there are members of Quarians spieces left in Milky way during ME1-ME3 and look how batsh*t crazy about survival of the whole race Quarians were. So killing each other would just directly hamper the whole point and chance of success for the entire Andromeda expedition.
If any conflicts arise, it would probably be due to lack of consensus what to do against Kett/Remnants.
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Post by ravenous on Nov 15, 2016 15:06:01 GMT
I will be extremely disappointed if they go back to infighting while on the nexus ships, enough is enough on infighting let it just die. They are to work together and are allies in a new galaxy against the new races and new threat if there is one
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 15, 2016 15:49:43 GMT
I doubt they would just put random humans, turians, asari, salarians and krogans onto Nexus and arks ships. Plotwise it seems they would specifically assemble crew of each Ark to be able to co-operate within the Ark and members of other Arks I guess that's why we have one of these random people in our team. I wonder if there will be an option to ask "So when you saw that MW species are on the edge of extinction, you decided that you need some freedom?"
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Post by RageUnderFire on Nov 15, 2016 17:32:37 GMT
Watch this movie again and tell me the people of the Milky Way aren't going to do some gangster shit to one another Pink Pimp Suit Krogan™ puts ugly human to sleep. "Dad" and his Krogan goonie drop that same ugly human in the next movie. If we wind up waiting five years to go to a different galaxy only to predominantly shoot at more Milky Way races, I'll be pretty disappointed famalam. I think you'll see more cooperation, in the end, than infighting. Such behavior would be self-destructive. I doubt they would just put random humans, turians, asari, salarians and krogans onto Nexus and arks ships. Plotwise it seems they would specifically assemble crew of each Ark to be able to co-operate within the Ark and members of other Arks, so that no senseless war between sibling Milky Way races would occur. Harsh-feelings / First Contact War resentiments / racism ect. are notions they wouldn't want among any of the crews, so they had to scan every individual to prevent such things. There is a limited amount of members of each Milky Way race in Andromeda, than there are members of Quarians spieces left in Milky way during ME1-ME3 and look how batsh*t crazy about survival of the whole race Quarians were. So killing each other would just directly hamper the whole point and chance of success for the entire Andromeda expedition. If any conflicts arise, it would probably be due to lack of consensus what to do against Kett/Remnants. I will be extremely disappointed if they go back to infighting while on the nexus ships, enough is enough on infighting let it just die. They are to work together and are allies in a new galaxy against the new races and new threat if there is one I doubt they would just put random humans, turians, asari, salarians and krogans onto Nexus and arks ships. Plotwise it seems they would specifically assemble crew of each Ark to be able to co-operate within the Ark and members of other Arks I guess that's why we have one of these random people in our team. I wonder if there will be an option to ask "So when you saw that MW species are on the edge of extinction, you decided that you need some freedom?"
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Post by RageUnderFire on Nov 15, 2016 17:37:10 GMT
THe game would be much better with some infighting between various Milky Way racial factions. Call it Omega in Androma. Think Urdnot vs Weyrloc.
As opposed to the generic let all band together to go kill the big bad galactic threat known as Khet.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 15, 2016 18:13:55 GMT
Watch this movie again and tell me the people of the Milky Way aren't going to do some gangster shit to one anotherI think you'll see more cooperation, in the end, than infighting. Such behavior would be self-destructive. No doubt; but that's why I said we'd see more cooperation than infighting. Plus, that's clearly not species infighting when you view more of the scene. That's fighting with some other agenda. If Ark Hyperion goes off the rails early, and/or not everyone is eager to follow the lead of their Pathfinders and/or Jien, it's not surprising that tensions ensue. It's the Wild West out there; the only law will be what we make ourselves, which is something that was mentioned in the GI article regarding the removal of Paragon/Renegade pseudomorality.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 15, 2016 20:06:35 GMT
THe game would be much better with some infighting between various Milky Way racial factions. Call it Omega in Androma. Think Urdnot vs Weyrloc. As opposed to the generic let all band together to go kill the big bad galactic threat known as Khet. It's not even a matter of better or worse -- it's unavoidable. Bioware is insisting the Arks departed prior to widespread knowledge of the Reaper threat. So consider the political tensions between the species at that point in the trilogy's history. It's absurd to assume krogans and salarians will get along. For asari to consider humans equals and partners. So that's the one-liner that sums it up: A huge retcon would be needed for all the species in the Arks to get along and cooperate with each other.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Nov 15, 2016 20:12:20 GMT
I want an excuse to shoot some gangsta Krogan.
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Post by dagr on Nov 16, 2016 13:49:12 GMT
They found only several habitable worlds in this sector. I suspect there will be some bad blood between different pathfinders, because of "I found it/was here FIRST!!!". And if something bad happens to their Arks what will add up problems.
On the other hand there will be only several 100k of each species so sharing a whole planet is not such a big a deal.
Possibility of several small groups becoming rogue... 100%
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Post by Sifr on Nov 16, 2016 15:01:02 GMT
Even if the old prejudices are meant to be left in the Milky Way, I could imagine that conflict might eventually occur between the members of the Ark Coalition, due to how each species might approach colonisation of Andromeda.
Salarians are more likely to want to set up a centralised infrastructure first before expanding outwards, send out scouts to survey the local surroundings and establish scientific enclaves where they can develop new technology or reverse-engineer Andromeda tech in secret.
Humans are more likely to want to explore first, so will likely focus on setting up outposts on various worlds as they go, both to stake a claim and so that they have the foundation for future colonisation.
Turians are more likely to want to focus on their military presence, build up their forces for defensive purposes and to secure their territory before they expand outwards.
Krogans (much like Humans) will probably go into Andromeda like a bull in a china shop, heading out into the black straight away to stake a claim on whatever rocks are up for the taking.
Asari are more likely to create a centralised location from which to expand their influence, continue to foster diplomatic relations between the various factions and probably will attempt to create another Council at some point to ensure peace.
Conflict could occur because one or more species expand more rapidly than the others, leading to resentment when the others finally are prepared to colonise themselves? Worlds that have been claimed might end up being contested, depending on whether or not the claimant species has the capacity to actually defend it, or should that world fall into the sphere of influence of another Ark faction.
Otherwise, conflict could occur because one (or more) Ark species might do something to rub an Andromedan race up the wrong way, leading that native species targetting everyone from the Milky Way as a result. It would be rather hard to maintain positive relations and feelings towards another Ark faction, if mere association with them was enough for your own species to be shot at.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 16, 2016 15:27:13 GMT
BTW Have they told how Nexus government is called? Referring to it as "Initiative" sounds kinda weird.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 16, 2016 20:04:46 GMT
BTW Have they told how Nexus government is called? Referring to it as "Initiative" sounds kinda weird. Nope. That's all still very much in the dark. I suspect this will be the source some tension, in-game. Since this is a privately funded expedition, and apparently not a "Citadel Council venture", the issue of " who are you to decide?" will inevitably arise. At some point, I suspect Jien and the Nexus hierarchy might give us some directive, or reveal some agenda, with which we take exception. It's hard to say in which direction the writers will take it. They can't have too much infighting, or the entire effort will implode. We are already fighting the kett. A little internal strife is going to happen, though, to keep things interesting.
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Post by Ahriman on Nov 16, 2016 20:59:27 GMT
BTW Have they told how Nexus government is called? Referring to it as "Initiative" sounds kinda weird. Nope. That's all still very much in the dark. I suspect this will be the source some tension, in-game. Since this is a privately funded expedition, and apparently not a "Citadel Council venture", the issue of " who are you to decide?" will inevitably arise. At some point, I suspect Jien and the Nexus hierarchy might give us some directive, or reveal some agenda, with which we take exception. It's hard to say in which direction the writers will take it. They can't have too much infighting, or the entire effort will implode. We are already fighting the kett. A little internal strife is going to happen, though, to keep things interesting. Well, Bioware rarely goes beyond "politics are jerks" in such cases, but Jien's position seems quite shaky from here. Since majority of humans are lost at the beginning, they are probably in minority on Nexus, so if she tries to take all power that wouldn't possibly end good for her. Other species aboard Nexus would naturally demand equal representation, perhaps when we finally establish contact with Nexus, there will be new Council to greet us. Or not. Wonder what "Nexus uprising" has to do with all that.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 16, 2016 21:14:47 GMT
Nope. That's all still very much in the dark. I suspect this will be the source some tension, in-game. Since this is a privately funded expedition, and apparently not a "Citadel Council venture", the issue of " who are you to decide?" will inevitably arise. At some point, I suspect Jien and the Nexus hierarchy might give us some directive, or reveal some agenda, with which we take exception. It's hard to say in which direction the writers will take it. They can't have too much infighting, or the entire effort will implode. We are already fighting the kett. A little internal strife is going to happen, though, to keep things interesting. Well, Bioware rarely goes beyond "politics are jerks" in such cases, but Jien's position seems quite shaky from here. Since majority of humans are lost at the beginning, they are probably in minority on Nexus, so if she tries to take all power that wouldn't possibly end good for her. Other species aboard Nexus would naturally demand equal representation, perhaps when we finally establish contact with Nexus, there will be new Council to greet us. Or not. Wonder what "Nexus uprising" has to do with all that. I'm eager to see what the power structure is. I'm not even sure Jien really is as important as people assume she will be. She seems important at present, but things can change. As you alluded, hundreds of thousands (?) wouldn't have signed up to be bossed around by Jien Garson and some vague group. There definitely has to be a clear, multilateral structure in place. Initially, we are cutoff from the Nexus and have to rise to the occasion. Once that is resolved, we'll get our look at the new way of things in Andromeda, no doubt. I'd be shocked if Ark Hyperion isn't mostly saved. It will likely be disabled and in grave danger, but I don't see humanity being largely lost at the outset. That's too depressing a start. Ryder will find a way to save them, and the Nexus presumably knows we were headed for Habitat 7. Eventually, they'd come looking. (My post assumes people have read the GI article. I'm encountering a lot of confusion and resistance to "my ideas", as people who haven't yet read it think I'm inventing some of this stuff I've read.)
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Post by RageUnderFire on Nov 17, 2016 2:14:05 GMT
THe game would be much better with some infighting between various Milky Way racial factions. Call it Omega in Androma. Think Urdnot vs Weyrloc. As opposed to the generic let all band together to go kill the big bad galactic threat known as Khet. It's not even a matter of better or worse -- it's unavoidable. Bioware is insisting the Arks departed prior to widespread knowledge of the Reaper threat. So consider the political tensions between the species at that point in the trilogy's history. It's absurd to assume krogans and salarians will get along. For asari to consider humans equals and partners. So that's the one-liner that sums it up: A huge retcon would be needed for all the species in the Arks to get along and cooperate with each other.Great points. Although I'd change one thing. It's humans who would consider asari as potential equals. Under dangerous circumstances the people with masculine characteristics shine. In ME universe, humans are decisive and quick to act. Asari are diplomatic indecisive sissies. Their kind shines when civilization is already established. The huge demand for Krogan explorers is telling. Androma IS a galactic wild west. They found only several habitable worlds in this sector. I suspect there will be some bad blood between different pathfinders, because of "I found it/was here FIRST!!!". And if something bad happens to their Arks what will add up problems. On the other hand there will be only several 100k of each species so sharing a whole planet is not such a big a deal. Possibility of several small groups becoming rogue... 100% Remember how all out galactic war occurred the last time Kro Bros went colonizing. Even if the old prejudices are meant to be left in the Milky Way, I could imagine that conflict might eventually occur between the members of the Ark Coalition, due to how each species might approach colonisation of Andromeda. Salarians are more likely to want to set up a centralised infrastructure first before expanding outwards, send out scouts to survey the local surroundings and establish scientific enclaves where they can develop new technology or reverse-engineer Andromeda tech in secret. Humans are more likely to want to explore first, so will likely focus on setting up outposts on various worlds as they go, both to stake a claim and so that they have the foundation for future colonisation. Turians are more likely to want to focus on their military presence, build up their forces for defensive purposes and to secure their territory before they expand outwards. Krogans (much like Humans) will probably go into Andromeda like a bull in a china shop, heading out into the black straight away to stake a claim on whatever rocks are up for the taking.Asari are more likely to create a centralised location from which to expand their influence, continue to foster diplomatic relations between the various factions and probably will attempt to create another Council at some point to ensure peace. Conflict could occur because one or more species expand more rapidly than the others, leading to resentment when the others finally are prepared to colonise themselves? Worlds that have been claimed might end up being contested, depending on whether or not the claimant species has the capacity to actually defend it, or should that world fall into the sphere of influence of another Ark faction. Otherwise, conflict could occur because one (or more) Ark species might do something to rub an Andromedan race up the wrong way, leading that native species targetting everyone from the Milky Way as a result. It would be rather hard to maintain positive relations and feelings towards another Ark faction, if mere association with them was enough for your own species to be shot at. Yes, this why I believe Krogans won't get their very own Ark. They're like humans but more violent.
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 17, 2016 3:19:59 GMT
In ME universe, humans are decisive and quick to act. Asari are diplomatic indecisive sissies. Tell that to a justicar.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Nov 17, 2016 4:24:02 GMT
In ME universe, humans are decisive and quick to act. Asari are diplomatic indecisive sissies. Tell that to a justicar. On average. Remember in part 1 Liara went off about humans being action-oriented due to their shorter lifespans and higher testosterone levels. Meanwhile Asari are crying on their soft beds because that Badboy Jerk Prothean they have a crush on isn't the comforting type.
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Post by Element Zero on Nov 17, 2016 4:59:20 GMT
On average. Remember in part 1 Liara went off about humans being action-oriented due to their shorter lifespans and higher testosterone levels. Meanwhile Asari are crying on their soft beds because that Badboy Jerk Prothean they have a crush on isn't the comforting type. Hmm. I somehow missed that particular turn of phrase in that conversation. Liara's crybaby crap got on my nerves pretty badly; as if we hadn't seen other worlds and peoples in the same shape or 10x worse. Ugh. Different thread, 4 years late.
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