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Post by hsomcokesniper on Dec 5, 2016 7:28:39 GMT
Not gonna comment on the ugliness, but the facial animations look awkward as hell. Also the designs look somewhat cartoony IMO. Nah, I'll wait for the finished product before I'll judge...
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 5, 2016 9:12:27 GMT
I actually like the look of SisRyder. As for the NPC with the post-apolyptic travel pillow around her neck, she's more likely someone we can shoot before we can romance so I don't see why her appearance very much matters. The "SJW's" are starting to seem like some sort of boogeyman for internet forums. I don't like the romance options. An SJW did it. Xena was riding a winged appaloosa in one scene then was riding a flying arabian in another. An SJW did it.
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Post by KaiserShep on Dec 5, 2016 9:15:00 GMT
Not gonna comment on the ugliness, but the facial animations look awkward as hell. Also the designs look somewhat cartoony IMO. Nah, I'll wait for the finished product before I'll judge… Really, BioWare's games always had some sort of cartoonish quality to their aesthetic. Every Dragon Age and Mass Effect game has been more stylized and veered away from hard realism. To be honest, I hope that this never changes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 9:49:55 GMT
so refreshing to see most of the replies to this thread. for once, thank you bsn.
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Post by Gileadan on Dec 5, 2016 9:57:58 GMT
This is an expedition to explore and settle a new galaxy. Attractiveness is as secondary as it gets here. If you want romance and happiness in life, you don't get on the cryo express to a different galaxy without a return ticket. You don't worry about how good your men and women look, you worry about how competent and mentally and emotionally stable they are. How well suited for their jobs they are. You know, like that former security chief on the right image.
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Post by dalinne on Dec 5, 2016 9:58:26 GMT
Don't worry, OP, I'm with ya. I hate to say it, but hope to the goddess that Cora is the space babe we're looking for. Otherwise, we're all out of moves, and it's going to be a very dry game. And we don't want to wake up next to Javik, either. So hopefully Bioware doesn't punk anyone with a romanceless Ryder who rejects the makeupless Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer types infecting Bioware's games while reserving good looks ( why is Scott model-looking for a guy while Sara looks like someone hit her in the face with a shovel?) for themselves hypocritically. I think that's not completely fair because: 1) Personally, I think Sara is hot since the first moment I saw her. I guess the appreciation of her looks varies from one person to another. However, if you don't like her looks, you can CUSTOMIZE HER whether you play her, whether she is your NPC sister (it's something everybody is pointing out). 2) Scott is hot, we can agree on that. And HE. IS. YOUR. BROTHER. Why on Earth I want to feel sexually attracted to my brother??? And if you play him as the PC, you can customize him in order to make him less like a model (I will certainly customize him because everytime I see the character makes me feel conflicted as fuck ). 3) Everybody has said it before: we've barely seen people from this game. Relax.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 10:06:58 GMT
Don't worry, OP, I'm with ya. I hate to say it, but hope to the goddess that Cora is the space babe we're looking for. Otherwise, we're all out of moves, and it's going to be a very dry game. And we don't want to wake up next to Javik, either. So hopefully Bioware doesn't punk anyone with a romanceless Ryder who rejects the makeupless Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer types infecting Bioware's games while reserving good looks ( why is Scott model-looking for a guy while Sara looks like someone hit her in the face with a shovel?) for themselves hypocritically. I think that's not completely fair because: 1) Personally, I think Sara is hot since the first moment I saw her. I guess the appreciation of her looks varies from one person to another. However, if you don't like her looks, you can CUSTOMIZE HER whether you play her, whether she is your NPC sister (it's something everybody is pointing out). 2) Scott is hot, we can agree on that. And HE. IS. YOUR. BROTHER. Why on Earth I want to feel sexually attracted to my brother??? And if you play him as the PC, you can customize him in order to make him less like a model (I will certainly customize him because everytime I see the character makes me feel conflicted as fuck ). 3) Everybody has said it before: we've barely seen people from this game. Relax. Even better, actually: You can customize them both, no matter which of the two you end up playing! Still doesn't change the fact PeeBee also looks... strange? It could really be that "too detailed" character expressions... we'll see.
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Post by SofaJockey on Dec 5, 2016 10:11:58 GMT
I rather like default Sara...
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2016 10:20:13 GMT
I don't think Peebee looks strange, at least from the tech demo. There might be some weird or funny animation (like the one @linkeski used as his avatar), but overall she looks as the other asari in the trilogy. The more details might lead to her face seeming strange, I don't know. As for Sara's default, I'll wait and see how she looks on the full game/later on when they had more time to work on her facial animations.
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Post by hsomcokesniper on Dec 5, 2016 11:48:44 GMT
Not gonna comment on the ugliness, but the facial animations look awkward as hell. Also the designs look somewhat cartoony IMO. Nah, I'll wait for the finished product before I'll judge… Really, BioWare's games always had some sort of cartoonish quality to their aesthetic. Every Dragon Age and Mass Effect game has been more stylized and veered away from hard realism. To be honest, I hope that this never changes. Yeah, but now it seems like it's ramped up to eleven. (could be the engine) I mean just look at the screencap in the OP. It looks like the characters could be Civ 6 rulers.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 11:54:59 GMT
Really, BioWare's games always had some sort of cartoonish quality to their aesthetic. Every Dragon Age and Mass Effect game has been more stylized and veered away from hard realism. To be honest, I hope that this never changes. Yeah, but now it seems like it's ramped up to eleven. (could be the engine) I mean just look at the screencap in the OP. It looks like the characters could be Civ 6 rulers. That's the thing when you put a cartoonish, exaggerated mimic on a somewhat realistic face...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 14:10:32 GMT
I would not call Sara attractive, but the second girl referred to in the OP looked really pretty to me in the trailer. (Shrug) Asian MMOs --> that way, there, all females are Barbies....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 15:57:21 GMT
Don't worry, OP, I'm with ya. I hate to say it, but hope to the goddess that Cora is the space babe we're looking for. Otherwise, we're all out of moves, and it's going to be a very dry game. And we don't want to wake up next to Javik, either. So hopefully Bioware doesn't punk anyone with a romanceless Ryder who rejects the makeupless Lena Dunham and Amy Schumer types infecting Bioware's games while reserving good looks ( why is Scott model-looking for a guy while Sara looks like someone hit her in the face with a shovel?) for themselves hypocritically. I think that's not completely fair because: 1) Personally, I think Sara is hot since the first moment I saw her. I guess the appreciation of her looks varies from one person to another. However, if you don't like her looks, you can CUSTOMIZE HER whether you play her, whether she is your NPC sister (it's something everybody is pointing out). 2) Scott is hot, we can agree on that. And HE. IS. YOUR. BROTHER. Why on Earth I want to feel sexually attracted to my brother??? And if you play him as the PC, you can customize him in order to make him less like a model (I will certainly customize him because everytime I see the character makes me feel conflicted as fuck ). 3) Everybody has said it before: we've barely seen people from this game. Relax. You're, of course, right about being able to customize each Ryder. However, your own statements confirm that there's a disparity in their appearances. "Scott is hot," you say, and you didn't qualify that at all. You assumed no need to do so: "We can agree on that." However, you clearly qualified your statement about Sara: "Personally, I think Sara is hot." You revealed that your opinion may not quite line up with others' opinion of her. So my point? This disparity in their appearances is inherently unfair and hypocritical. One is clearly better looking than the other. This is simply more evidence to my argument that Bioware is on a social agenda at the behest of liberal, progressive feminists, in part, to help themselves and hurt the opponents they've chosen to declare war upon. So be it. But own it. And own and accept that by catering to this group you're screwing over another group, hetero males. Worse yet, keeping males beautiful but uglying down females is a contradiction. "Good looking love interests for me, but not for thee," is what is virtually being announced on a megaphone. Furthermore, this has been a worrying trend that many players noticed actually started in Dragon Age: Inquisition. So far, there has been no evidence to contradict that male hetero players have been intentionally screwed over yet again, while female and gay players have been rewarded or have been allowed to keep their rewards. Yes, it matters, especially since romance is a key part of these games that people enjoy.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:05:01 GMT
I think that's not completely fair because: 1) Personally, I think Sara is hot since the first moment I saw her. I guess the appreciation of her looks varies from one person to another. However, if you don't like her looks, you can CUSTOMIZE HER whether you play her, whether she is your NPC sister (it's something everybody is pointing out). 2) Scott is hot, we can agree on that. And HE. IS. YOUR. BROTHER. Why on Earth I want to feel sexually attracted to my brother??? And if you play him as the PC, you can customize him in order to make him less like a model (I will certainly customize him because everytime I see the character makes me feel conflicted as fuck ). 3) Everybody has said it before: we've barely seen people from this game. Relax. Worse yet, keeping males beautiful but uglying down females is a contradiction. "Good looking love interests for me, but not for thee," is what is virtually being announced on a megaphone. . Good-looking males, sorry... WHERE? So far it's Scott, the Protagonist, and three girls on the crew of every desirable species, a Human babe, an Asari babe and a Turian babe, while one alien crewmate is a Krogan (of course), so unless Liam is the bioWARE's gift to womankind, with a chameleon quality to induce sighs and occasional swoons from every woman out there, there ain't any handsome men to be seen so far. Scott and Sara are both customizable, so it doesn't matter what they look like.
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Post by hammerstorm on Dec 5, 2016 16:07:53 GMT
I think that's not completely fair because: 1) Personally, I think Sara is hot since the first moment I saw her. I guess the appreciation of her looks varies from one person to another. However, if you don't like her looks, you can CUSTOMIZE HER whether you play her, whether she is your NPC sister (it's something everybody is pointing out). 2) Scott is hot, we can agree on that. And HE. IS. YOUR. BROTHER. Why on Earth I want to feel sexually attracted to my brother??? And if you play him as the PC, you can customize him in order to make him less like a model (I will certainly customize him because everytime I see the character makes me feel conflicted as fuck ). 3) Everybody has said it before: we've barely seen people from this game. Relax. You're, of course, right about being able to customize each Ryder. However, your own statements confirm that there's a disparity in their appearances. "Scott is hot," you say, and you didn't qualify that at all. You assumed no need to do so: "We can agree on that." However, you clearly qualified your statement about Sara: "Personally, I think Sara is hot." You revealed that your opinion may not quite line up with others' opinion of her. So my point? There's a disparity in their appearances. One is clearly better looking than the other. This is simply more evidence to my argument that Bioware is on a social agenda at the behest of liberal, progressive feminists, in part. So be it. But own it. And own and accept that by catering to this group you're screwing over another group, hetero males. Worse yet, keeping males beautiful but uglying down females is a contradiction. "Good looking love interests for me, but not for thee," is what is virtually being announced on a megaphone. Furthermore, this has been a worrying trend that many players noticed actually started in Dragon Age: Inquisition. So far, there has been no evidence to contradict that male hetero players have been intentionally screwed over yet again, while female and gay players have been rewarded or kept their rewards. Yes, it matters, especially since romance is a key part of these games that people enjoy. First, how is 3 characters appearance (of which we can change 2) proof for this "agenda"? And second, Who are you to speak for ALL HETRO MALE? If you have any kind of proof that all hetero male are being screwed over, because of your dislike, please show it. otherwise shove it. And I must have played a better DA:I than you, because I never get that feeling. You maybe should by the correct game next time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:08:57 GMT
Worse yet, keeping males beautiful but uglying down females is a contradiction. "Good looking love interests for me, but not for thee," is what is virtually being announced on a megaphone. . Good-looking males, sorry... WHERE? So far it's Scott, the Protagonist, and three girls on the crew of every desirable species, a Human babe, an Asari babe and a Turian babe, while one alien crewmate is a Krogan (of course), so unless Liam is the bioWARE's gift to womankind, there ain't any handsome men to be seen so far. Scott and Sara are both customizable, so it doesn't matter what they look like. Scott's your handsome man. That's one right there. Call me a mad prophet, but watch when the other males are also shown to be good looking and not average or ugly. Also, you grossly overexaggerate Peebee as a space babe. I don't think so. Same with Vetra. They're both unattractive. Search the boards and you'll find lots of guys saying the same thing. Simply calling their races desirable makes no sense. That's like saying any member of said race will do. I don't think so. They're not all the same in attractiveness, at the least.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:13:23 GMT
You're, of course, right about being able to customize each Ryder. However, your own statements confirm that there's a disparity in their appearances. "Scott is hot," you say, and you didn't qualify that at all. You assumed no need to do so: "We can agree on that." However, you clearly qualified your statement about Sara: "Personally, I think Sara is hot." You revealed that your opinion may not quite line up with others' opinion of her. So my point? There's a disparity in their appearances. One is clearly better looking than the other. This is simply more evidence to my argument that Bioware is on a social agenda at the behest of liberal, progressive feminists, in part. So be it. But own it. And own and accept that by catering to this group you're screwing over another group, hetero males. Worse yet, keeping males beautiful but uglying down females is a contradiction. "Good looking love interests for me, but not for thee," is what is virtually being announced on a megaphone. Furthermore, this has been a worrying trend that many players noticed actually started in Dragon Age: Inquisition. So far, there has been no evidence to contradict that male hetero players have been intentionally screwed over yet again, while female and gay players have been rewarded or kept their rewards. Yes, it matters, especially since romance is a key part of these games that people enjoy. First, how is 3 characters appearance (of which we can change 2) proof for this "agenda"? And second, Who are you to speak for ALL HETRO MALE? If you have any kind of proof that all hetero male are being screwed over, because of your dislike, please show it. otherwise shove it. And I must have played a better DA:I than you, because I never get that feeling. You maybe should by the correct game next time. It's confirming proof, not definitive proof. There's a difference. I'd be very happy to be proven wrong, you know. And you know why. Second, I speak for many hetero males, not all. Search the boards here and elsewhere to find men making similar complaints. In fact, the OP is one such fellow, and you're posting in his thread! But I'm not going to do the searching for it. Shove it? Ok, internet tough guy. If you want to get down and trade insults, we can go there. But you won't like it. I'm Deadpool for a reason. You'd be wise to remember it. Lastly, I didn't play DA:I. But I've read across a number of sites tons of complaints about love interests for male hetero players. 'Nuff said.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:17:49 GMT
Good-looking males, sorry... WHERE? So far it's Scott, the Protagonist, and three girls on the crew of every desirable species, a Human babe, an Asari babe and a Turian babe, while one alien crewmate is a Krogan (of course), so unless Liam is the bioWARE's gift to womankind, there ain't any handsome men to be seen so far. Scott and Sara are both customizable, so it doesn't matter what they look like. Scott's your handsome man. That's one right there. Call me a mad prophet, but watch when the other males are also shown to be good looking and not average or ugly. Also, you grossly overexaggerate Peebee as a space babe. I don't think so. Same with Vetra. They're both unattractive. Search the boards and you'll find lots of guys saying the same thing. Simply calling their races desirable makes no sense. That's like saying any member of said race will do. I don't think so. They're not all the same in attractiveness, at the least. And I will concede your point the moment the other two crewmates (Liam and Unknown) will be even shown to us, and I will issue forth the gasp and a bunch of little squeals of delight. I might even jump up and down and clap my hands.
So far, all I see is, there are more eligible females on the crew, and as a Male Ryder I will have no problems based on the appearances alone to taking the Flirt Options with Peebee and Vetra. Scott Ryder default doesn't float my personal boat of male handsomeness, so I will customize his appearance.
For a female Ryder I know I have no interest in Krogan and in Liam. I will also customize her appearance.
So... where is the alleged sausage-fest again? Scott, and... ?????
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:21:33 GMT
lol at straight guys complaining. does no one remember how badly femshep got screwed over in me3? or the fact that gay guys had to wait until me3 to get a romance?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 16:24:49 GMT
EDIT: I also want to add, that maybe BioWARE should just keep helmets on both Cora and Liam, with just a mysterious glint of the eyes. It worked wonders for Tali after all, because the human imagination readily supplies whatever is necessary.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2016 16:29:21 GMT
I think that's not completely fair because: 1) Personally, I think Sara is hot since the first moment I saw her. I guess the appreciation of her looks varies from one person to another. However, if you don't like her looks, you can CUSTOMIZE HER whether you play her, whether she is your NPC sister (it's something everybody is pointing out). 2) Scott is hot, we can agree on that. And HE. IS. YOUR. BROTHER. Why on Earth I want to feel sexually attracted to my brother??? And if you play him as the PC, you can customize him in order to make him less like a model (I will certainly customize him because everytime I see the character makes me feel conflicted as fuck ). 3) Everybody has said it before: we've barely seen people from this game. Relax. You're, of course, right about being able to customize each Ryder. However, your own statements confirm that there's a disparity in their appearances. "Scott is hot," you say, and you didn't qualify that at all. You assumed no need to do so: "We can agree on that." However, you clearly qualified your statement about Sara: "Personally, I think Sara is hot." You revealed that your opinion may not quite line up with others' opinion of her. So my point? This disparity in their appearances is inherently unfair and hypocritical. One is clearly better looking than the other. This is simply more evidence to my argument that Bioware is on a social agenda at the behest of liberal, progressive feminists, in part, to help themselves and hurt the opponents they've chosen to declare war upon. So be it. But own it. And own and accept that by catering to this group you're screwing over another group, hetero males. Worse yet, keeping males beautiful but uglying down females is a contradiction. "Good looking love interests for me, but not for thee," is what is virtually being announced on a megaphone. Furthermore, this has been a worrying trend that many players noticed actually started in Dragon Age: Inquisition. So far, there has been no evidence to contradict that male hetero players have been intentionally screwed over yet again, while female and gay players have been rewarded or have been allowed to keep their rewards. Yes, it matters, especially since romance is a key part of these games that people enjoy. Yeah, sorry, but it didn't start with Inquisition. People complained in the same way for Isabela and Merrill in DA2, as well as labeling Isabela and Aveline manly and ugly as it happened with Cassandra. We had people criticizing some female LI in Mass effect as well. If this really started, it started long before Inquisition. I also disagree on the supposed 'screwing' being intentional. As well, you have men who think Cassandra and Josephine were hot, women that disliked the Blackwall and Bull, lesbians that hated Sera with passion, and gays that though bull and Dorian were ugly or not attractive. Truth to be told the only romance that you can qualify as conventionally attractive on the men LI is Cullen. That were discussion about this during DAI actually, with some people saying the female LI were hot why most of the men LI were not conventionally attractive. There is no actually proof that Bioware screwed anyone since Peebee, from the tech demo, looks attractive and feminine. The one actually screwed over are those who want to play with the default Sara, if she'll look like this in the final game, and most of those are women, most likely.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 5, 2016 16:30:25 GMT
Good-looking males, sorry... WHERE? So far it's Scott, the Protagonist, and three girls on the crew of every desirable species, a Human babe, an Asari babe and a Turian babe, while one alien crewmate is a Krogan (of course), so unless Liam is the bioWARE's gift to womankind, there ain't any handsome men to be seen so far. Scott and Sara are both customizable, so it doesn't matter what they look like. Scott's your handsome man. That's one right there. Call me a mad prophet, but watch when the other males are also shown to be good looking and not average or ugly. Also, you grossly overexaggerate Peebee as a space babe. I don't think so. Same with Vetra. They're both unattractive. Search the boards and you'll find lots of guys saying the same thing. Simply calling their races desirable makes no sense. That's like saying any member of said race will do. I don't think so. They're not all the same in attractiveness, at the least. Most of the criticism on Peebee were about her E3 appearance which is clearly different from her actual one.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 16:31:47 GMT
lol at straight guys complaining. does no one remember how badly femshep got screwed over in me3? or the fact that gay guys had to wait until me3 to get a romance? Hate to break it to you, but "straight guys" are still the main demographic in anything related to gaming... they just complain far less then other demographics... or frequent forums.
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Post by Panda on Dec 5, 2016 16:34:03 GMT
lol at straight guys complaining. does no one remember how badly femshep got screwed over in me3? or the fact that gay guys had to wait until me3 to get a romance? Hate to break it to you, but "straight guys" are still the main demographic in anything related to gaming... they just complain far less then other demographics. Not really anything gaming. In terms of complaining- I haven't yet seen women or gay men doing threads about complaining about LI's looks. But maybe this vocal part of this straight male demography is also quite vain
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 5, 2016 16:35:50 GMT
Hate to break it to you, but "straight guys" are still the main demographic in anything related to gaming... they just complain far less then other demographics. Not really anything gaming. In terms of complaining- I haven't yet seen women or gay men doing threads about complaining about LI's looks. But maybe this vocal part of this straight male demography is also quite vain That they are indeed my friend!
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