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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 7:38:52 GMT
If S.A.M got a body I don't think would be because he wanted to be human but because he wanted or needed to protect Ryder out in the field. I actually don't see any value in SAM having a body. Its only function seems to be communication between the Pathfinder team and the Nexus as well as being able to relay information and suggestions to the Pathfinder. SAM isn't built or programmed for combat scenarios, so if anything it would be a liability in combat.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 2, 2017 7:41:05 GMT
Maybe it's too early to judge simply based on a few lines, but Sam's VO sounds very bland and generic. That's to be expected from AI, EDI's gimmicks had no reason to exist except Pinocchio ark. However right now it's simply hard to listen because of how muffled it is. It's like we have a voice-chat over dial-up modem. It should have most legible pronunciation, not the other way around.
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Post by leonick on Mar 2, 2017 7:53:54 GMT
Shepard could get mad at EDI but he/she could never turn him off. I dont hate SAM but for roleplaying purposes maybe there could be options to shut him off or be angry/cautious about him because of him being an AI. Also shutting him off if any sexytimes go down in the Tempest captains cabin, I dont want him watching the squishy organics I get the sense you can't shut off an AI that's implanted into your mind. Yes, SAM is going to be involved in all of your "intimate" dealings. I hope you enjoy giving SAM a front seat to the action. He isn't implanted in your brain though. SAM is on Hyperion, the implants provide a link. Could be a connection that can't be severed but seems more likely you can. (Wonder how that will work anyway, QEC is supposed to be expensive isn't it? Be odd to have QEC in every implant. Connects through Tempest which has QEC to Hyperion maybe? Might be missions where we lose connection.)
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 8:00:00 GMT
I get the sense you can't shut off an AI that's implanted into your mind. Yes, SAM is going to be involved in all of your "intimate" dealings. I hope you enjoy giving SAM a front seat to the action. He isn't implanted in your brain though. SAM is on Hyperion, the implants provide a link. Could be a connection that can't be severed but seems more likely you can. (Wonder how that will work anyway, QEC is supposed to be expensive isn't it? Be odd to have QEC in every implant. Connects through Tempest which has QEC to Hyperion maybe? Might be missions where we lose connection.) That's a moot point. SAM is still aware of Ryder's surroundings and giving regular updates, feedback, and suggestions on what Ryder should do. Where SAM is located physically is irrelevant. The point is SAM is aware of anything Ryder is due to the implants. I also don't see why Alec Ryder would provide a way to sever the connection, as SAM's entire function is meant to permanently advance humans.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 2, 2017 8:17:08 GMT
He isn't implanted in your brain though. SAM is on Hyperion, the implants provide a link. Could be a connection that can't be severed but seems more likely you can. (Wonder how that will work anyway, QEC is supposed to be expensive isn't it? Be odd to have QEC in every implant. Connects through Tempest which has QEC to Hyperion maybe? Might be missions where we lose connection.) I also don't see why Alec Ryder would provide a way to sever the connection, as SAM's entire function is meant to permanently advance humans. I think Alec did envision the possibility. Not because his kids may be too shy to take shower with AI watching them, but rather as an emergency option in case of malfunction. Unless he has severe case of megalomania, of course, and thinks that SAM is 100% fail safe.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 8:33:04 GMT
I also don't see why Alec Ryder would provide a way to sever the connection, as SAM's entire function is meant to permanently advance humans. I think Alec did envision the possibility. Not because his kids may be too shy to take shower with AI watching them, but rather as an emergency option in case of malfunction. Unless he has severe case of megalomania, of course, and thinks that SAM is 100% fail safe. All I can say is that Alec's work on SAM was clearly illegal and his philosophy with human advancement seems to align with TIM. I don't know what Alec's feelings are towards his children, but they could easily be guinea pigs for him to gather more data. There's just not enough we know, but I certainly wouldn't give Alec the benefit of the doubt. We have far more questions than answers and I am hugely concerned with the potential pitfalls of having an AI lodged within one's mind.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 2, 2017 9:33:30 GMT
I think Alec did envision the possibility. Not because his kids may be too shy to take shower with AI watching them, but rather as an emergency option in case of malfunction. Unless he has severe case of megalomania, of course, and thinks that SAM is 100% fail safe. I don't know what Alec's feelings are towards his children, but they could easily be guinea pigs for him to gather more data. At least this is not the case. Alec is first to undergo modification and to most extent.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 9:49:08 GMT
I don't know what Alec's feelings are towards his children, but they could easily be guinea pigs for him to gather more data. At least this is not the case. Alec is first to undergo modification and to most extent. That doesn't disqualify the possibility that they could still be guinea pigs. As I said, I'm not ruling anything out. Alec has a shady backstory and the idea of having an AI in your mind could be a terrible idea for all sorts of reasons. We need to learn more about SAM as well and what exactly its capabilities are entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 16:26:39 GMT
Corvette @corvettestorm Do the other Arcs pathfinder teams have something similar to S.A.M or is that just Hyperion? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Every pathfinder team has a SAM. SimoN7 Gray @ssv_Simon a different SAM or the same? And are all members of the pathfinder team hooked up to SAM? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon I'm not telling you any more than what's been in the AI briefings.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 2, 2017 16:52:58 GMT
Corvette @corvettestorm Do the other Arcs pathfinder teams have something similar to S.A.M or is that just Hyperion? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Every pathfinder team has a SAM. SimoN7 Gray @ssv_Simon a different SAM or the same? And are all members of the pathfinder team hooked up to SAM? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon I'm not telling you any more than what's been in the AI briefings. Now this is weird, previous somehow made me believe that SAM is human gimmick pushed by Alec. Apparently aliens are quite trusting if they allow humans to put implants and freaking AI into their brain. He did answer second question though, you don't use "a SAM" if there is only one in existence.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 2, 2017 17:55:09 GMT
Corvette @corvettestorm Do the other Arcs pathfinder teams have something similar to S.A.M or is that just Hyperion? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Every pathfinder team has a SAM. SimoN7 Gray @ssv_Simon a different SAM or the same? And are all members of the pathfinder team hooked up to SAM? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon I'm not telling you any more than what's been in the AI briefings. Getting too greedy with those questions! That's interesting that the other council races would be okay with having an AI implanted into their brain. I suppose it's not too surprising as Alec Ryder was one of the original founders of the Andromeda Initiative. It makes it that much more interesting to wonder what happened to the other arks and whether SAM would have any knowledge about their disappearance.
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Post by warbaby2 on Mar 3, 2017 15:37:57 GMT
Simulated adaptive matrix...
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Mar 3, 2017 17:36:09 GMT
SAM: The Remnant Monolith suggests this was indeed supposed to be a Golden World. (1:39)
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Mar 4, 2017 10:21:20 GMT
There is just one issue with SAM. Specifically, I am referring to the neural implants that the Pathfinder team uses to interface with SAM.
Are they not bound by the laws of time and space ? By that I mean won't the connection between SAM and the Pathfinder (or anyone on the Pathfinding team) via the neural implants be affected if they go to places where it is difficult to maintain a constant connection, like deep underground inside a Remnant vault ? Can't the neural implants be hacked by someone else ?
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Post by Revan Reborn on Mar 4, 2017 14:44:22 GMT
There is just one issue with SAM. Specifically, I am referring to the neural implants that the Pathfinder team uses to interface with SAM. Are they not bound by the laws of time and space ? By that I mean won't the connection between SAM and the Pathfinder (or anyone on the Pathfinding team) via the neural implants be affected if they go to places where it is difficult to maintain a constant connection, like deep underground inside a Remnant vault ? Can't the neural implants be hacked by someone else ? That's the big question, isn't it? SAM seems to be very much a double-edged sword. Sure, it provides a wide variety of perks and benefits to help aid the Pathfinder team. At the same time, if SAM could be hacked or if the connection could be severed (or even used to trace the Pathfinder's location), I could see a lot of drawbacks. I'd assume some of these potential issues may be addressed in MEA. Otherwise, it's going to be a missed opportunity for some creative storytelling.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 4, 2017 15:24:42 GMT
There is just one issue with SAM. Specifically, I am referring to the neural implants that the Pathfinder team uses to interface with SAM. Are they not bound by the laws of time and space ? By that I mean won't the connection between SAM and the Pathfinder (or anyone on the Pathfinding team) via the neural implants be affected if they go to places where it is difficult to maintain a constant connection, like deep underground inside a Remnant vault ? Since SAM is aboard Hyperion and it doesn't have to follow Tempest, I think it's safe enough to assume that their connection is through QTE.
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Post by Toyish Batphone on Mar 4, 2017 17:02:01 GMT
There is just one issue with SAM. Specifically, I am referring to the neural implants that the Pathfinder team uses to interface with SAM. Are they not bound by the laws of time and space ? By that I mean won't the connection between SAM and the Pathfinder (or anyone on the Pathfinding team) via the neural implants be affected if they go to places where it is difficult to maintain a constant connection, like deep underground inside a Remnant vault ? Since SAM is aboard Hyperion and it doesn't have to follow Tempest, I think it's safe enough to assume that their connection is through QTE. So, we are not only experimenting with AI who interfaces with our protagonist directly via implants but we also interface with them via quantum technology - & all this is being done without any prior knowledge or experience about the effects of quantum technology on organics or the effects AI interface technology on organics. Gotta love being a lab rat. Not.
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Post by zaefkol on Mar 4, 2017 19:25:16 GMT
Since SAM is aboard Hyperion and it doesn't have to follow Tempest, I think it's safe enough to assume that their connection is through QTE. So, we are not only experimenting with AI who interfaces with our protagonist directly via implants but we also interface with them via quantum technology - & all this is being done without any prior knowledge or experience about the effects of quantum technology on organics or the effects AI interface technology on organics. Gotta love being a lab rat. Not. Gotta love parents who put experimental tech inside their children's heads. For science!
But more seriously, I do think that there are issues about SAM, both practical and philosophical, that need to be addressed in game; however, those issues are also great hooks for storytelling if they do it right.
If they do it wrong, though...
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Post by Sifr on Mar 5, 2017 8:57:33 GMT
Conventional comm buoys might work just as well.
According to the codex, each comm buoys is essentially a "primitive, miniature mass relay" that creates a low-mass corridor of space, which tightbeam communication lasers are piped through. These signals are then carried in a chain between the buoys deployed across the system, allowing real-time communication to be maintained (as long as you're within one light-second of the nearest buoy).
In the Milky Way, they were able to extend the range of their network by tapping into the Mass Relays, allowing them to piggy-back the signal via the Relay Network across the entire galaxy. In Andromeda however, they're probably going to be limited to communications only within the system they're currently in.
That being said, since QEC's aren't constrained by distance, they could get around this limitation and allow them to communicate between systems. The Nexus might use this in order to remain in direct contact with the Tempest and other Pathfinder teams.
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Post by leonick on Mar 6, 2017 10:05:21 GMT
Since SAM is aboard Hyperion and it doesn't have to follow Tempest, I think it's safe enough to assume that their connection is through QTE. So, we are not only experimenting with AI who interfaces with our protagonist directly via implants but we also interface with them via quantum technology - & all this is being done without any prior knowledge or experience about the effects of quantum technology on organics or the effects AI interface technology on organics. Gotta love being a lab rat. Not. The QEC doesn't have to be in the implant. It probably isn't. Would be a lot of connections to make. Might not have to be a direct connection. Could use whatever network is available to reach SAM on the Hyperion, first connect to the Tempest or Nexus, whichever is closest, both of which seem likely candidates for QEC connection to the Hyperion.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Mar 6, 2017 18:27:26 GMT
Pathfinder's use AI to help determine if worlds are viable for life. (2:36)
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Post by skepticgaymer on Mar 7, 2017 11:30:13 GMT
I get that 'Lawson' vibe from this, I'm almost afraid (strangely intrigued) that the Ryder twins themselves aren't all they seem. And the fact that their father is a scientist particularly fond of AI is also far from comforting. I guess we'll see what SAM is all about in conversation and in-game, hopefully he has more depth than a portable codex. Although I hear you can have some pretty interesting conversations about existence and stuff.
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 7, 2017 13:19:48 GMT
I get that 'Lawson' vibe from this, I'm almost afraid (strangely intrigued) that the Ryder twins themselves aren't all they seem. And the fact that their father is a scientist particularly fond of AI is also far from comforting. And I find it comforting meta-wise. Without it Ryders would be just your regular "simple guy becomes a hero" cliche. Yeah, it wasn't done in ME as Wallters says, but it was done countless times everywhere. With SAM it has potential to be more than that. In fact the creeper it gets the better (for me, not for Ryders). DS2 done that part nicely for example.
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 7, 2017 15:58:24 GMT
From IGN who got to play MEA pre-release build.Among the main cast, S.A.M. seems to have the highest potential for causing galactic controversy. In Andromeda, Ryder is always accompanied by an integrated AI that acts a little like The Legend of Zelda’s Navi, but instead of being talkative like the squadmates he occasionally chimes in to offer analysis and advice for objectives. He doesn’t seem to have as much personality as the original trilogy’s EDI, but S.A.M.’s mysterious relationship with the Ryder family makes his side quests intriguing. Having true AI is taboo in Mass Effect, so it’ll be interesting to see how issues with S.A.M. pan out in the Andromeda galaxy.
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