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Post by elanor on Apr 24, 2017 18:22:42 GMT
I like SAM too. I hope he will evolve with us during the story.
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Post by Dukemon on Apr 24, 2017 20:17:19 GMT
I like his dialogue with Ryder, when Ryder is in a relationship. SAM is watching this experience and try learn about what happening. I think, he is wondering if something like that could affect himself.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 9, 2017 2:56:15 GMT
I wanted the option to say, "Open the pod bay doors, SAM".
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Post by wright1978 on May 12, 2017 21:56:10 GMT
Was wondering playing the section regarding Sam and prolonging the mother's life, will Sam mean Ryder's natural lifespan could be much longer than a regular human?
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Post by Iakus on May 13, 2017 1:12:38 GMT
Was wondering playing the section regarding Sam and prolonging the mother's life, will Sam mean Ryder's natural lifespan could be much longer than a regular human? Unlikely, unless SAM can tinker with Ryder at the genetic or even molecular level. Humans have an upper limit of around 115 (give or take) years, and that appears to be hardwired into our cells.
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Post by wright1978 on May 13, 2017 7:17:36 GMT
Was wondering playing the section regarding Sam and prolonging the mother's life, will Sam mean Ryder's natural lifespan could be much longer than a regular human? Unlikely, unless SAM can tinker with Ryder at the genetic or even molecular level. Humans have an upper limit of around 115 (give or take) years, and that appears to be hardwired into our cells. Then how does Sam extend the mothers life & implied notion that she shouldn't have died from it due to sam's abilities.
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Post by Iakus on May 13, 2017 15:31:56 GMT
Unlikely, unless SAM can tinker with Ryder at the genetic or even molecular level. Humans have an upper limit of around 115 (give or take) years, and that appears to be hardwired into our cells. Then how does Sam extend the mothers life & implied notion that she shouldn't have died from it due to sam's abilities. I thought SAM was treating her disease? My assumption is Ellen was suffering from some sort of cancer brought about by eezo exposure, and SAM was managing the tumors, but couldn't cure the disease itself.
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Post by wright1978 on May 14, 2017 8:52:03 GMT
Then how does Sam extend the mothers life & implied notion that she shouldn't have died from it due to sam's abilities. I thought SAM was treating her disease? My assumption is Ellen was suffering from some sort of cancer brought about by eezo exposure, and SAM was managing the tumors, but couldn't cure the disease itself. But if as implied Sam could have continued managing tumour growth if she herself hadn't resigned herself to death, doesn't that entail some element of biological manipulation
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Post by Iakus on May 14, 2017 16:03:22 GMT
I thought SAM was treating her disease? My assumption is Ellen was suffering from some sort of cancer brought about by eezo exposure, and SAM was managing the tumors, but couldn't cure the disease itself. But if as implied Sam could have continued managing tumour growth if she herself hadn't resigned herself to death, doesn't that entail some element of biological manipulation Depends on how SAM was treating the cancer. Nanobots to destroy the tumors? Close medical observation for timed medical treatments? Implanted pharmacological package controlled by SAM?
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Post by beholderess on May 28, 2017 0:21:45 GMT
Scanned everything during Liam's loyalty mission. SAM surely has opinions about the repair job. A lot of opinions Snarky Ryder is such a bad influence
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Post by beholderess on May 28, 2017 23:15:21 GMT
A question: what is the exhaustive list of differences between a SAM (like the ones issued to other Pathfinders) and Ryder's SAM?
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Post by Melcara on May 28, 2017 23:38:56 GMT
A question: what is the exhaustive list of differences between a SAM (like the ones issued to other Pathfinders) and Ryder's SAM? I think that the only actual difference that is explicitly stated in the game is the unrestricted access to the Pathfinder's physiology, which the other SAMs don't have. But SAM also said that Alec continued modifying him until the Hyperion's departure, which made him much more advanced than the other SAMs. So I suppose that Ryder's SAM possesses a higher level of sentience/more complex thought processes? I base this off SAM saying that his sentience is "beyond what even the Initiative understands", Ryder telling their twin that SAM's "way smarter than he pretended to be" and also the Turian ark mission, where the Turian SAM was focused only on its prime objective - getting to the Turian homeworld, and ejecting various cryopods in the process, which kind of indicates that the Turian SAM couldn't come up with any other solution. I think that Ryder's SAM would have been able to find his way around that. I haven't encountered any other differences in the game. I think that these are the only stated/apparent ones.
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Post by Mir Aven on May 29, 2017 4:59:14 GMT
A question: what is the exhaustive list of differences between a SAM (like the ones issued to other Pathfinders) and Ryder's SAM? I think that the only actual difference that is explicitly stated in the game is the unrestricted access to the Pathfinder's physiology, which the other SAMs don't have. But SAM also said that Alec continued modifying him until the Hyperion's departure, which made him much more advanced than the other SAMs. So I suppose that Ryder's SAM possesses a higher level of sentience/more complex thought processes? I base this off SAM saying that his sentience is "beyond what even the Initiative understands", Ryder telling their twin that SAM's "way smarter than he pretended to be" and also the Turian ark mission, where the Turian SAM was focused only on its prime objective - getting to the Turian homeworld, and ejecting various cryopods in the process, which kind of indicates that the Turian SAM couldn't come up with any other solution. I think that Ryder's SAM would have been able to find his way around that.I haven't encountered any other differences in the game. I think that these are the only stated/apparent ones. I agree with everything except the bolded part. That mission isn't really a good example. The Turian SAM was traumatised/malfunctioning because he didn't manage to transfer to Avitus before Macen's death. He wasn't even able to communicate properly without Ryder's SAM help. We don't know how he would have acted if he was operating correctly.
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Post by Melcara on May 29, 2017 5:35:18 GMT
I think that the only actual difference that is explicitly stated in the game is the unrestricted access to the Pathfinder's physiology, which the other SAMs don't have. But SAM also said that Alec continued modifying him until the Hyperion's departure, which made him much more advanced than the other SAMs. So I suppose that Ryder's SAM possesses a higher level of sentience/more complex thought processes? I base this off SAM saying that his sentience is "beyond what even the Initiative understands", Ryder telling their twin that SAM's "way smarter than he pretended to be" and also the Turian ark mission, where the Turian SAM was focused only on its prime objective - getting to the Turian homeworld, and ejecting various cryopods in the process, which kind of indicates that the Turian SAM couldn't come up with any other solution. I think that Ryder's SAM would have been able to find his way around that.I haven't encountered any other differences in the game. I think that these are the only stated/apparent ones. I agree with everything except the bolded part. That mission isn't really a good example. The Turian SAM was traumatised/malfunctioning because he didn't manage to transfer to Avitus before Macen's death. He wasn't even able to communicate properly without Ryder's SAM help. We don't know how he would have acted if he was operating correctly. Oh, yeah. I actually completely forgot about that part. Lol. Thanks for pointing it out. Still, I think that my point stands:)
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Post by Dukemon on May 29, 2017 8:19:15 GMT
That is an issue from the MEA deal, I guess. Bioware is telling us that Ryder's SAM is better than the others but we have only little talk to only one other SAM to learn about the difference in 'real time'. We heard an one liner from Asari SAM however I would not say we could make an opinion about that. The salarian SAM we had never heard.
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Post by Dukemon on Jan 13, 2018 3:04:05 GMT
I had a thought. Every Sam has a connection to the Parthfinder and each Sam can only have one Parthfinder, usually. Is this connection running anybody can split them Sam and Parthfinder, without to kill the organic host. In normally stat no Sam would accepting an order like this. But what if someone has during the development of the Sams someone put an own backdoor into the code to take over Sams and controll the Parthfinders? Alec set forward the development of his first Sam and could have fixed it. Especially after his confirmed suspicion from Jien.
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Post by dmc1001 on May 17, 2018 6:09:33 GMT
This has probably come up somewhere in these 18 pages but I realize SAM isn't really all that different from EDI. I just had the encounter with the kett aboard the Tempest. They took control and SAM took it back. Reminds me of when the Collectors took control of the Normandy and EDI had been able to regain control once unshackled. People want SAM to be this different thing but he's a lot more similar to EDI (though not quite the same) than people claim.
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