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Post by Awkward Octopus on Dec 9, 2016 16:56:55 GMT
Hey, I wanted to respond to you without cluttering the Twitter thread further. (A re we still doing the spoiler tag thing here? Uh, until I know for sure I guess I'll do the tag...)
I completely agree with what you said about EDI - giving her a body was a mistake, in my opinion. I dunno, maybe there would have been a better way to go about it. Like, perhaps making her reasoning more about being able to help via combat, and then making the body not look like a sex bot. Like, it's a robot body, it could be anything. It could be made out of guns. Maybe because my mind immediately went to JARVIS as a comparison, I agree that a disembodied voice companion is more interesting to me. But, just because he used the word robot doesn't necessarily mean that it will be like EDI. I mean, as I said, a robot body could be anything. It could be more akin to a Star Wars droid, maybe, or like Avina where it has hologram stations. EDIT: I guess no spoiler tags, then! If Fabrice was being literal, "robot" implies a machine body of some sort, so cool little omnitool holograms would be eliminated as SAM's only face. Shame, that. You're right that it's body could take any form, though I bet it will be humanoid. It's too easy for them to do otherwise; and fans would complain that SAM was "less advanced" than EDI if it weren't just as human-like. It sounds like it's an AI created to assist the Pathfinder, specifically. I imagine it will also assist with all sorts of tasks aboard Tempest. We have a salarian pilot, but we know nothing of any other specific crew. Should be interesting, I guess, as long as it's nothing like EDI 2.0. I'll trust them to make it different. That's fair. I do believe they'll take the criticisms about EDI into account, at the very least. Beyond that, I guess we'll have to wait and see!
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 17:15:16 GMT
I was speculating that SAM was around pre-trip to Andromeda and Alec had it raise the twins while he was away on duty (he's the first N7 we see with "time" for a family, so I suspect he wasn't around much). Effectively making SAM a surrogate parent to the twins and it gives them an emotional connection to it that isn't just "it used to be used by my father". I also got the crazy idea that SAM isn't an artificial intelligence, but a synthetic based off the real Mama Ryder's brain, but that's another story and might be too crazy. I'm all for crazy ideas, after all they said " way closer emotionally", that's a lot to say, I don't know if I 'd feel very differently about EDI just because I can talk to her while I'm not in the ship too I'm pretty confident that SAM is physically bound to the Pathfinder. Pathfinders have implants that give them unique versatility and abilities. This is tied to the narrative, according to the GI article. SAM is likely the AI "embedded" in this Pathfinder implant(s). It links you to your ship, your Pathfinder computer systems, helps you manage your unique abilities, etc... SAM is always on, omnipresent, once you take on your role as Pathfinder. That's a pretty close relationship.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 9, 2016 17:22:10 GMT
I'm all for crazy ideas, after all they said " way closer emotionally", that's a lot to say, I don't know if I 'd feel very differently about EDI just because I can talk to her while I'm not in the ship too I'm pretty confident that SAM is physically bound to the Pathfinder. Pathfinders have implants that give them unique versatility and abilities. This is tied to the narrative, according to the GI article. SAM is likely the AI "embedded" in this Pathfinder implant(s). It links you to your ship, your Pathfinder computer systems, helps you manage your unique abilities, etc... SAM is always on, omnipresent, once you take on your role as Pathfinder. That's a pretty close relationship. Yeah, I agree with this. Another hint of this type of relationship was on the polish preview magazine about that start of the game.
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Post by javeart on Dec 9, 2016 17:26:43 GMT
I'm all for crazy ideas, after all they said " way closer emotionally", that's a lot to say, I don't know if I 'd feel very differently about EDI just because I can talk to her while I'm not in the ship too I'm pretty confident that SAM is physically bound to the Pathfinder. Pathfinders have implants that give them unique versatility and abilities. This is tied to the narrative, according to the GI article. SAM is likely the AI "embedded" in this Pathfinder implant(s). It links you to your ship, your Pathfinder computer systems, helps you manage your unique abilities, etc... SAM is always on, omnipresent, once you take on your role as Pathfinder. That's a pretty close relationship. ok, that's intrusive I'm not sure how confortable I am with that . But, yes, that sounds like a reasonable explanation The Elder King, what was that hint? I think it missed it
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 9, 2016 17:31:47 GMT
I'm pretty confident that SAM is physically bound to the Pathfinder. Pathfinders have implants that give them unique versatility and abilities. This is tied to the narrative, according to the GI article. SAM is likely the AI "embedded" in this Pathfinder implant(s). It links you to your ship, your Pathfinder computer systems, helps you manage your unique abilities, etc... SAM is always on, omnipresent, once you take on your role as Pathfinder. That's a pretty close relationship. ok, that's intrusive I'm not sure how confortable I am with that . But, yes, that sounds like a reasonable explanation The Elder King , what was that hint? I think it missed it (Spoiler about the start of the game) When Ryder 'crashed' on the initial planet (apparently he survived thanks of the jet packs) we can see in the trailer that his visor is damages. The article states nanorobots helps repairing his visor. He was likely SAM, which is an hint he's directly connected with Ryder.
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Post by javeart on Dec 9, 2016 17:34:56 GMT
(Spoiler about the start of the game) When Ryder 'crashed' on the initial planet (apparently he survived thanks of the jet packs) we can see in the trailer that his visor is damages. The article states nanorobots helps repairing his visor. He was likely SAM, which is an hint he's directly connected with Ryder. thanks!
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Post by azarhal on Dec 9, 2016 17:48:49 GMT
I'm all for crazy ideas, after all they said " way closer emotionally", that's a lot to say, I don't know if I 'd feel very differently about EDI just because I can talk to her while I'm not in the ship too I'm pretty confident that SAM is physically bound to the Pathfinder. Pathfinders have implants that give them unique versatility and abilities. This is tied to the narrative, according to the GI article. SAM is likely the AI "embedded" in this Pathfinder implant(s). It links you to your ship, your Pathfinder computer systems, helps you manage your unique abilities, etc... SAM is always on, omnipresent, once you take on your role as Pathfinder. That's a pretty close relationship. I had that idea too after thinking a bit about it. It fits very well with the way respecting was explained. I'm not sure about it being a Pathfinder system element though. SAM is supposed to have a connection (and knew) Alec and from the N7 day trailer you were not a Pathfinder originally and everything point to daddy being missing. If SAM is part of the Pathfinder program, that would mean they implanted your dad's little helper into you. Creepy. Not that Alec implanting an AI into his kid is any less creepy, but it is different kind of creepy.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 17:50:28 GMT
ok, that's intrusive I'm not sure how confortable I am with that . But, yes, that sounds like a reasonable explanation The Elder King , what was that hint? I think it missed it (Spoiler about the start of the game) When Ryder 'crashed' on the initial planet (apparently he survived thanks of the jet packs) we can see in the trailer that his visor is damages. The article states nanorobots helps repairing his visor. He was likely SAM, which is an hint he's directly connected with Ryder. (Spoiler about the start of the game) When Ryder 'crashed' on the initial planet (apparently he survived thanks of the jet packs) we can see in the trailer that his visor is damages. The article states nanorobots helps repairing his visor. He was likely SAM, which is an hint he's directly connected with Ryder. thanks! I don't think this was necessarily SAM, just yet. This is precisely the type of thing that the standard omnitool is supposed to do, per lore. We've just never actually seen it happen in-game, to this point. I don't think we will "bond" with SAM until we replace dad as Pathfinder.
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Post by ssanyesz on Dec 9, 2016 18:26:24 GMT
Welcome back, I'm SAM:
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 9, 2016 20:55:01 GMT
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 21:35:52 GMT
SCREAMS TOO SPOILERY FOR ME. Goodbye SAM thread. I knew thee well. It was only one, small unimportant thing. Stay out of that spoiler box, and you're safe! There was a bunch of stuff put needlessly into spoiler boxes on the previous page. I knew it would scare people away, and tried to break that up immediately.
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Post by Pon.ee on Dec 9, 2016 22:26:38 GMT
SCREAMS TOO SPOILERY FOR ME. Goodbye SAM thread. I knew thee well. It was only one, small unimportant thing. Stay out of that spoiler box, and you're safe! There was a bunch of stuff put needlessly into spoiler boxes on the previous page. I knew it would scare people away, and tried to break that up immediately. I don't mind spoiler boxes I just don't open them. But there is stuff up there that I did not want to know that I would consider a spoiler that's not in a box. I realise I am in a spoilerific section but I'd still appreciate spoiler boxes. For example; you discussing the spoiler outside of the spoiler boxes! I see that post. Sam is apparantly my brain buddy and I didn't want to know that. *grump*
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Post by Sifr on Dec 9, 2016 22:40:18 GMT
What if SAM is not a robot at all, but the crash caused Ryder to suffer some kind of psychosis and auditory hallucinations? You were SAM the entire time!
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Post by AGECCR on Dec 9, 2016 22:40:45 GMT
I'm pretty confident that SAM is physically bound to the Pathfinder. Pathfinders have implants that give them unique versatility and abilities. This is tied to the narrative, according to the GI article. SAM is likely the AI "embedded" in this Pathfinder implant(s). It links you to your ship, your Pathfinder computer systems, helps you manage your unique abilities, etc... SAM is always on, omnipresent, once you take on your role as Pathfinder. That's a pretty close relationship. Wow, that sounds fascinating and would make for some really interesting writing scenarios.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 9, 2016 22:45:35 GMT
It was only one, small unimportant thing. Stay out of that spoiler box, and you're safe! There was a bunch of stuff put needlessly into spoiler boxes on the previous page. I knew it would scare people away, and tried to break that up immediately. I don't mind spoiler boxes I just don't open them. But there is stuff up there that I did not want to know that I would consider a spoiler that's not in a box. I realise I am in a spoilerific section but I'd still appreciate spoiler boxes. For example; you discussing the spoiler outside of the spoiler boxes! I see that post. Sam is apparantly my brain buddy and I didn't want to know that. *grump* Well, I am speculating. I think I'm probably right, but no one but BioWare can say, just yet.
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Post by The Elder King on Dec 9, 2016 22:50:17 GMT
Yeah, at this point is mostly speculation. The only info we got where from the devs, and I guess in the coming weeks and months they'll probably reveal what SAM really is. It won't be more then a spoiler then the background details on the squadmates.
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Post by Princess Trejo on Dec 10, 2016 19:46:00 GMT
Screw it. Give me Vikingbot.
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Post by nxp5 on Dec 10, 2016 22:28:23 GMT
Reading that new info makes me think SAM is in Ryder's Omni Tool or Suit, but can also go into drones (Nomad) or spaceship (systems) and may or may not have a specific Robobody as well.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 10, 2016 22:36:23 GMT
Reading that new info makes me think SAM is in Ryder's Omni Tool or Suit, but can also go into drones (Nomad) or spaceship (systems) and may or may not have a specific Robobody as well. The famous leak, that has proven remarkably accurate, said we'd have a synthetic squaddie. Fabrice also used the word "robot" in his comments about SAM. I'm inclined to think that SAM does have a humanoid platform that allows him to serve as a squadmate, as much as I'd prefer otherwise, at present. I definitely think SAM is "in our omnitool". I think SAM is actually "in our head", so to speak, by way of our Pathfinder implants. Time will tell if I'm on the right path with that speculation. I gave a bit more detail above.
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Post by saberchic on Dec 10, 2016 22:53:23 GMT
Reading that new info makes me think SAM is in Ryder's Omni Tool or Suit, but can also go into drones (Nomad) or spaceship (systems) and may or may not have a specific Robobody as well. I like that idea more than the thought that he is implanted in our head. (Sorry Element Zero) I like the idea that he could be in our omni tool, and then go to a robot body if we need him in the field for more than information.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 10, 2016 23:01:40 GMT
Reading that new info makes me think SAM is in Ryder's Omni Tool or Suit, but can also go into drones (Nomad) or spaceship (systems) and may or may not have a specific Robobody as well. I like that idea more than the thought that he is implanted in our head. (Sorry Element Zero ) I like the idea that he could be in our omni tool, and then go to a robot body if we need him in the field for more than information. Haha! I'm just talking about the tech, anyway. We know the Pathfinder implant(s) is a fact. We just don't know if SAM's program is in there, among other things. (I lean toward "yes" because it used to be close to Alec, and is now close to the Pathfinder child.) Fabrice says SAM does a lot of the same stuff that EDI did for Normandy, and then lists some of those things. He then says that the relationship is different, and much closer. Whether SAM is in the implant, the omnitool, or whatever, I have a feeling that SAM is always with us. Also, SAM need not be exclusively in one place. It's a program like EDI. It can be in all of these places. SAM can be in the omnitool and the ship and wherever else. SAM sounds like an interesting companion. I'm looking forward to learning more!
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Post by AGECCR on Dec 10, 2016 23:20:21 GMT
Everyone speaks of Edi but I wonder if a Glyph comparison could also be ventured. Liara always has Glyph at hand for anything she'd need assistance with and we know he's not an AI but a very important companion nonetheless. From what I know, the debate is still out as to whether SAM is actually a true AI or something else. His relationship could go any number of ways based on just what type of synthetic he is. I do like what you suggest Element Zero, that SAM could assist us through our Pathfinder implants (even if it could be a little unnerving at first to have something in your person). What if we crashed and our omnitools and other devices no longer worked? We'd be all alone. It'd be nice to have a friend who could help us through, thanks to those implants. Of course, it could go a very negative way if said friend was tampered with or hacked and then we'd be in serious trouble. The stories this could develop into...
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Post by KirkyX on Dec 10, 2016 23:37:03 GMT
I like that idea more than the thought that he is implanted in our head. (Sorry Element Zero ) I like the idea that he could be in our omni tool, and then go to a robot body if we need him in the field for more than information. Haha! I'm just talking about the tech, anyway. We know the Pathfinder implant(s) is a fact. We just don't know if SAM's program is in there, among other things. (I lean toward "yes" because it used to be close to Alec, and is now close to the Pathfinder child.) Fabrice says SAM does a lot of the same stuff that EDI did for Normandy, and then lists some of those things. He then says that the relationship is different, and much closer. Whether SAM is in the implant, the omnitool, or whatever, I have a feeling that SAM is always with us. Also, SAM need not be exclusively in one place. It's a program like EDI. It can be in all of these places. SAM can be in the omnitool and the ship and wherever else. SAM sounds like an interesting companion. I'm looking forward to learning more! The 'It is connected to you permanently[...]' line in the interview would seem to suggest that SAM is indeed ' always' with you--and to me at least, 'connected to you permanently' certainly sounds more like an implant of some sort than something you could potentially take off. Like, I don't doubt that SAM'll exist in our armour, equipment, and the Tempest as well, but from the way they're describing it, it'll be as much a part of baseline, equipment-less Ryder as it is any of those other things.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 10, 2016 23:37:12 GMT
Everyone speaks of Edi but I wonder if a Glyph comparison could also be ventured. Liara always has Glyph at hand for anything she'd need assistance with and we know he's not an AI but a very important companion nonetheless. From what I know, the debate is still out as to whether SAM is actually a true AI or something else. His relationship could go any number of ways based on just what type of synthetic he is. I do like what you suggest Element Zero, that SAM could assist us through our Pathfinder implants (even if it could be a little unnerving at first to have something in your person). What if we crashed and our omnitools and other devices no longer worked? We'd be all alone. It'd be nice to have a friend who could help us through, thanks to those implants. Of course, it could go a very negative way if said friend was tampered with or hacked and then we'd be in serious trouble. The stories this could develop into... Yep. I could elaborate a bit further, with a few ideas about Andromeda tech taken from the few magazine articles we've had. I don't want to get too spoilery in the character threads, though.
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Post by AGECCR on Dec 10, 2016 23:48:01 GMT
Yep. I could elaborate a bit further, with a few ideas about Andromeda tech taken from the few magazine articles we've had. I don't want to get too spoilery in the character threads, though.I understand and appreciate that. I'm not entirely sure I'd want to know right now (though I have seen some stuff on SAM already that spoiled a bit). I'm getting to the point where I'm ready to go dark on any new info on Andromeda. Don't want to spoil the game too much (like I did with ME2). I'm waiting for the last companions to be shown and maybe a few of the Li's, but I might even skip out on that latter part.
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