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Post by zlojeb on Nov 15, 2016 10:42:41 GMT
Spacewhales aren't even new, they're recycled from ME2. They appeared in the Overlord. Did they? I remember hearing blue whale noises in the first mission, where you meet Tali. But I don't remember any sky/spacewhales As I said, they appear in Overlord, in far distance when you start driving the Hammerhead. Can't get you screens now, don't have it installed at the moment. It even says so on the wiki page for Aite. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Aite
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 15, 2016 10:51:53 GMT
Woof! Some people take this game's development wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously. If you're that upset about the Kett design, how about you go and design a better alien race and send it to Bioware?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 15, 2016 11:07:35 GMT
What do you mean? We shouldn't take Andromeda's development seriously? Well, I for one am not interested in playing something where the people that made it didn't care enough for their work so it became bad. That's how shitty games are made and I'm not saying Andromeda is gonna be such a game at all, but I think it's okay to care that the people that make the output for the game are talented and make things that impress you. The Kett design is very bland, I've seen multiple people and not only on BSN say this now and I think so too myself. I'm okay with it, but it's okay to bring it up and be frustrated with it because you want Andromeda to be better. I'm sorry, but seeing this just makes me furious... What's the point of getting furious about art design in a videogame? You're gonna be looking at it for the amount of time you play the game, so if you don't like the art it's going to irritate you the whole playtime.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 15, 2016 11:12:31 GMT
What do you mean? We shouldn't take Andromeda's development seriously? Well, I for one am not interested in playing something where the people that made it didn't care enough for their work so it became bad. That's how shitty games are made and I'm not saying Andromeda is gonna be such a game at all, but I think it's okay to care that the people that make the output for the game are talented and make things that impress you. The Kett design is very bland, I've seen multiple people and not only on BSN say this now and I think so too myself. I'm okay with it, but it's okay to bring it up and be frustrated with it because you want Andromeda to be better. There's a difference between seriously and wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too seriously. That's all I was saying. Aka....being furious.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Nov 15, 2016 11:21:27 GMT
Yeah, well I can see what you mean, but if that's how you feel then who are we to judge you? xD
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Post by dalinne on Nov 15, 2016 11:25:34 GMT
Trenton Adams @redvsblue1695Will we have a kett ally? Mac Walters @macwalterslivesBy ally... do you mean dangerously-unpredictable-and-technologically-advanced-aliens-who-feel-humans-are-intruders-in-their-galaxy? i.imgur.com/NnNQ1XO.gif
Stupid sexy Kett...
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Post by kali073 on Nov 15, 2016 11:52:24 GMT
What do you mean? We shouldn't take Andromeda's development seriously? Well, I for one am not interested in playing something where the people that made it didn't care enough for their work so it became bad. That's how shitty games are made and I'm not saying Andromeda is gonna be such a game at all, but I think it's okay to care that the people that make the output for the game are talented and make things that impress you. The Kett design is very bland, I've seen multiple people and not only on BSN say this now and I think so too myself. I'm okay with it, but it's okay to bring it up and be frustrated with it because you want Andromeda to be better. That's a bit unfair, isn't it? Just because we don't agree with their design decisions doesn't mean they didn't care about their work. From the looks of it they did go through several versions before settling down on this. It might be a poor decision in some people's eyes, but hardly because they didn't care.
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Post by Tosh on Nov 15, 2016 11:53:06 GMT
I'm sorry, but seeing this just makes me furious... What's the point of getting furious about art design in a videogame? It's not just the art- it's the immersion of ourselves in the game, and those are the creatures that will learn to love and hate for the next few games. It's just that in our own planet you can find such a variety of life forms that only a fraction somewhat resembles us. In any other given chance, an entire other branch of evolution might bring slugs or some kind of spider to be the dominant species on Earth. So why does it always have to be a bipedal race? With human teeth, eyes and general features? Even the weapon that they are using looks just like a human rifle, only slightly organic. It could be cool if it would be totaly different (like an integrated weapon with the Kett body) and during the course of the game we would adapt it to our own usage and so be able to use that. Still looking forward to play the game, mind!
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Post by Tosh on Nov 15, 2016 11:58:55 GMT
What do you mean? We shouldn't take Andromeda's development seriously? Well, I for one am not interested in playing something where the people that made it didn't care enough for their work so it became bad. That's how shitty games are made and I'm not saying Andromeda is gonna be such a game at all, but I think it's okay to care that the people that make the output for the game are talented and make things that impress you. The Kett design is very bland, I've seen multiple people and not only on BSN say this now and I think so too myself. I'm okay with it, but it's okay to bring it up and be frustrated with it because you want Andromeda to be better. That's a bit unfair, isn't it? Just because we don't agree with their design decisions doesn't mean they didn't care about their work. From the looks of it they did go through several versions before settling down on this. It might be a poor decision in some people's eyes, but hardly because they didn't care. Yeah, I agree with that. I might have not expressed myself well on my previous comment. I'm not all furious and all "RAGE!" and stuff Just really, really, hoped that now with all of the advancement we have with the current gen consoles and PC, the developers would have larger freedom with alien design. When ME1 was released, they had many constraints with what they could use back then and thus could not even create a different body animation for MaleShep and Femshep...
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Post by dalinne on Nov 15, 2016 12:02:44 GMT
Sincerely? I'm very intrigued about how the Kett feel about other Milky Way especies such as Salarian, Krogan, Asari, Turian etc. I know we play as humans and that but will they see us as the main invasor race or will they see us as one of more invasor-races? Also, I'm interested in seeing the reaction of a Kett or any Andromeda native encounter an alien for the first time. Finally, will the Kett and the rest of Andromeda especies fall into the "All Asari are beautiful" kind of group confirming the statement or maybe the Kett find the Krogan sexier? #AllKrogansarebeautiful. BTW, the Kett are hot I really really like the Kett design and the variations of them we can encounter.
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Nov 15, 2016 12:05:15 GMT
That's a bit unfair, isn't it? Just because we don't agree with their design decisions doesn't mean they didn't care about their work. From the looks of it they did go through several versions before settling down on this. It might be a poor decision in some people's eyes, but hardly because they didn't care. Yeah, I agree with that. I might have not expressed myself well on my previous comment. I'm not all furious and all "RAGE!" and stuff Just really, really, hoped that now with all of the advancement we have with the current gen consoles and PC, the developers would have larger freedom with alien design. When ME1 was released, they had many constraints with what they could use back then and thus could not even create a different body animation for MaleShep and Femshep... We've barely seen the Kett in action. Give it time before completely throwing in the towell.
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Post by kali073 on Nov 15, 2016 12:18:12 GMT
That's a bit unfair, isn't it? Just because we don't agree with their design decisions doesn't mean they didn't care about their work. From the looks of it they did go through several versions before settling down on this. It might be a poor decision in some people's eyes, but hardly because they didn't care. Yeah, I agree with that. I might have not expressed myself well on my previous comment. I'm not all furious and all "RAGE!" and stuff Just really, really, hoped that now with all of the advancement we have with the current gen consoles and PC, the developers would have larger freedom with alien design. When ME1 was released, they had many constraints with what they could use back then and thus could not even create a different body animation for MaleShep and Femshep... No worries I find it difficult to express myself in text only, too. Especially since English isn't my native language. I think a lot of those disappointed had the same hope as you, that current gen consoles would make more alien designs possible. Personally I find it difficult to tell what the technical restrictions are (especially with the new consoles) but there are other restrictions as well, such as time and budget. It's easy for us to say "just do this" but they have to make it work and that's not always as easy as it seems. That said, I do think the Kett have a bland face/head even if I don't mind the body design.
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Post by Hrungr on Nov 15, 2016 13:42:56 GMT
Neil Thompson @neilejtHow I spent #N7Day #MEA @bioware beat that @macwalterslives @mrjoelmac @gamblemike aarynflynn @yanickrroy @faburisu
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Post by LFS on Nov 15, 2016 13:54:11 GMT
If the Kett were literally the only other aliens in the game, I could see being more worked up about it, but they're not, and even though I said in the other thread that I thought they could have pulled back a little more on some of the human-like elements, the point in the video about making them empathetic is important. Andromeda is some very through-the-looking-glass space for humanity, and the Kett are our mirror race. We're supposed to be able to see ourselves in them, in a way that might challenge our views and alter the choices we make. Giving them a humanoid shape and emotive features is shorthand for "maybe you should stop and think about this a little bit more before you open fire on the terrifying alien whose birthday party you just crashed", and I'm completely fine with that. Some will always consider that a lazy cop out; so be it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Edit: and to be slightly more on topic for this thread, am I the only one who looks at KISS and feels immensely sad in the seat of their soul?
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 15, 2016 13:55:49 GMT
Tom Taylorson @taylorsonIn the week since it was announced I was working on this Indie darling of a game, a new 1500 of you followed me. Thank you for the support. Tom Taylorson @taylorson That's a lot of new people to avoid disappointing. It's been an absolute treat working on this game w/ this team. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 15, 2016 14:01:12 GMT
Really dissapointed with new aliens. They look so generic. Way too humanoid then they suppose to be. Heck some of the old Milky Way aliens look more alien than those ones. They even designed them with teeth. Same teeth and jaw structure as humans. oi65.tinypic.com/30jlpg1.jpg,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I guess nature knows when she's done a good job. Imagine, copying human's teeth and not an animal's.
Maybe they are vegetarian.
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Post by grumpykrogan on Nov 15, 2016 14:06:30 GMT
,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I guess nature knows when she's done a good job. Imagine, copying human's teeth and not an animal's.
Maybe they are vegetarian.
In fact human teeth are the most versatile set you could ever dream. Molars for chewing plants and vegetables, canines and incisors for tearing flesh. If only they could be more sturdy...
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Post by Sartoz on Nov 15, 2016 14:13:01 GMT
That's a bit unfair, isn't it? Just because we don't agree with their design decisions doesn't mean they didn't care about their work. From the looks of it they did go through several versions before settling down on this. It might be a poor decision in some people's eyes, but hardly because they didn't care. Snip Just really, really, hoped that now with all of the advancement we have with the current gen consoles and PC, the developers would have larger freedom with alien design. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
I welcome your alien design ideas and how these characters can be worked into a story... interacting with the MW species.
Plus the type of walking, running animations you like to see. Oh, please add some social background as well.. just to fill the picture. Wait.. forgot.. add combat animations too... they are bad azz after all. Damn.. forgot about how we communicate with your designs. Sorry about that.... Do they have voices? Squeaky ones? Bass ones? maybe by radio wave? So much to think about...
As I said, I welcome your ideas.
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Post by pdomi on Nov 15, 2016 14:26:16 GMT
My favorite alien was the "shifty looking cow". I hope it managed to buy passage into one of the arks with all the creds it stole from my Shepard!
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Post by alexy on Nov 15, 2016 14:35:53 GMT
My favorite alien was the "shifty looking cow". I hope it managed to buy passage into one of the arks with all the creds it stole from my Shepard! This is the first time I've realised that, holy cow. And I've played and replayed that game for years. Oh gods.
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Post by Adhin on Nov 15, 2016 14:41:54 GMT
Honestly I wasn't expecting an engine change to really chance up the animation rigging much (other then things being more mocapped). That is, the 'technology' had nothing to do with WHY they used the same rig/animation for any alien capable of shooting at you and taking cover. It's because a butt ton of systems revolve around that and every new rig doubles up your work load.
Well that's not entirely true, they can play leg and arm animations separately, have been able to since the late 90s really. Either way point is they could of done this back with ME1, or sooner but chose not to due to the amount of work it involves. Plus on older consoles you'll run into ram limitations eventually (like we saw with ME3) but ultimately it's time spent to interact with there combat mechanics.
Aaannyway, would be nice if they all had different animations and went with more arms or something but meh. Not really an issue to me. I think the Kett look sufficiently alien, and everything else besides how they look matters more ultimately. Well, least to me anyway.
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Post by shechinah on Nov 15, 2016 14:47:41 GMT
I don't care if they look like human, bug or some plant. I'm more interested in that they have a alien culture, society and how they thinking. For me it is what matters to me when I think alien. I agree. There's times where I've come across aliens that look nothing like humans yet whose behavior and culture is very human. Similarly, I've come across human-looking aliens that act very alien.
What determines wherever an alien feels alien to me is how they act, think and behave: I like aliens that has a sense of feeling alien. If an alien has the most alien design but still acts mostly or entirely human then dosen't matter how alien it looks to me: it'd still feel like a human except in a bizarre suit.
Note: I don't necessarily need an alien to be a case of the Blue and Orange Morality trope for them to seem alien, I just prefer that they don't exhibit human cultural traits if it dosen't seem to make sense that they would develope those traits given their background.
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Post by Garo on Nov 15, 2016 14:55:45 GMT
Guys, guys, new info. So I have this gaming magazine from my country and they have an article about Mass Effect Andromeda. First of all, guy that wrote that was one of 4 people that could see actual gameplay. He is a big fan of the series. There is a lot of info that was already in Game Informer but there are some new things: 1. There are no reapers in game itself but BW said that they will be mentioned in some way later on 2. We start the game on Hyperion ( mostly human arc) 3. BW still quiet about Quarians 4. We can choose whatever we want to attack some aliens or go with peaceful approach when exploring planets 5. Highest lvl is 70th 5. We can have only 2 more characters in our party but BW showed battle in which friendly NPCs helped our team 7. On one planet they encountered 2 fighting fractions which ignored player for the time of battle 8. Doing everything on one planet should take 2-3 hours 9. Tempest has landing zones on every planet and this is the place when you can find quests 10. You can leave planet from anywhere 11. Tempest is much smaller than Normandy but has a lot more windows to enjoy the view of the galaxy 12. Scanning planets returns in some way and it's a little similar to the one in ME2 (you will need to land and find something on your own sometimes) 13. Crafting is much more developed but it's optional 14. At least 2 new races (on of them is Kett) 15. PeeBee irritated writer for some reason ( ) 16. Writer also says that ME:A takes what's best from trilogy adding to it enormous worlds to explore and a brand new story. He is very optimistic about this game so far Multi: 1. Turians in multiplayer (among others) 2. Multiplayer feels fluid and fun, rocket jumps and sprinting is incorporated 3. Granades have holographic sign that gives player information about range of said granade 4. Overall all, looking good
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Post by Panda on Nov 15, 2016 15:29:23 GMT
I'm used to aliens that look very human in my scifi. I mean so human that sometimes they look exactly like humans. Just think of lot of aliens Marvel, Star Trek, various animes etc. have. You are lucky if their skin is blue to make them look different from humans, sometimes there is no visible differences.. like with Superman for example.
So I actually like balance Mass Effect has had and probably still has. Humanoid aliens that are clearly alien, but still humane enough to understand and relate to. To me Bioware actually makes more effort than most with their aliens (expect with females of the species, seriously there needs to be females in the game if the species have genders).
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