There is absolute no real life example of something remotely close to the Ai.
I'm not saying the drive to explore don't motivate people, but it doesn't motivate people to do that kind of thing. Not to mention, there are also things like economy and logic which are ignored by the Arks.
Apparently there are 4000 people who are willing to give up everything for a chance to be the first people on Mars even though it's a one-way trip and will likely be fatal. The only way I can see that being different to the motivation of the AI colonists is that there is much less chance of it being fatal!
As far as the scale of it is concerned, it's all relative to the capabilities of the technology available.
When they were deciding to send a man to the Moon in the 60's the idea of going to Mars instead would have been a pipe dream.
Now there are corporations actively planning to send people to settle Mars but the idea of going to the nearest star is a pipe dream.
In Mass Effect, having access to cryo technology, they sent a mission to the nearest star but at that time the idea of sending anyone to another galaxy would have been a pipe dream.
Now they've discovered Mass Effect fields and the Relays which provide access to all over the Galaxy and the potential means to make a trip to Andromeda actually possible.
Mankind is always aspiring to explore further and to achieve bigger. The only real limit is the technology available and often it is this drive to explore beyond our previous limits that have actually driven technology to new heights. I just see Andromeda as a natural progression. Given the level of technology available in ME it seems entirely analogous to the real world SpaceX and Mars One initiatives that are going on right now.
In terms of the economics, I don't have a problem with the idea that a private individual could be richer than governments and have enough money to fund this project entirely if they use their entire fortune on it. As it stands, though, we've heard that some 'powerful backers' enabled her to expand the project. Whether there is any economic or logical reasoning for these backers remains to be seen but there's no reason to assume there isn't.
As a result, new game reveals at this year's show will take a longer look at each new game that's announced, rather than just blasting through a 30-second cinematic teaser. "I think people will be surprised at the depth of some of the game content we will show this year," he said.
Yes, but you don't go to explore Alpha Centauri before you go to Mars.
Neither you look for a new continent that is extremely far away when you only explored 1% of the one you're in.
Exploring Alpha Centauris is not feasible with our current technology. But we could try to establish a colony on the Moon before we try to do it on Mars. Nobody is interested in doing that though because the moon is a done deal and going to Mars is the next big step.
The percentage of the Milky Way that has been explored isn't really the point. The point is that exploring the Milky Way is something we're already doing. It doesn't push the boundaries.
The first time you work out how to climb a mountain it's an achievement. The next achievement is not to climb the next mountain it's to climb the highest mountain. That's the motivation here. They're not trying to be completists they're trying to be pioneers.
In my opinion, those who don't believe that the desire to be the first to explore and settle a new Galaxy is not a credible reason for the AI just don't understand human nature.
There is absolute no real life example of something remotely close to the Ai.
I'm not saying the drive to explore don't motivate people, but it doesn't motivate people to do that kind of thing. Not to mention, there are also things like economy and logic which are ignored by the Arks.
This idea you keep spouting that humans wouldn't go explore another continent when there are unexplored pockets of their existing continent is completely, 100% unsupported by history. Human society has never behaved like a flood-fill algorithm.
These jerks have been annoyingly quiet the last couple days. It's almost as if they're busy finaling a dumb game that everyone's gonna hate, or something.
There is absolute no real life example of something remotely close to the Ai.
I'm not saying the drive to explore don't motivate people, but it doesn't motivate people to do that kind of thing. Not to mention, there are also things like economy and logic which are ignored by the Arks.
This idea you keep spouting that humans wouldn't go explore another continent when there are unexplored pockets of their existing continent is completely, 100% unsupported by history. Human society has never behaved like a flood-fill algorithm.
This idea you keep spouting that humans wouldn't go explore another continent when there are unexplored pockets of their existing continent is completely, 100% unsupported by history. Human society has never behaved like a flood-fill algorithm.
Now can we please get back to tweets?
It's quite supported by history actually.
Not in the slightest. People spread to all continents of the Earth long before they had the writing technology or even the numbers to actually chart even a significant portion of the Earth's surface. That's why many continents had to be re-explored, even though people had been there for thousands of years. Nobody on Earth had a really complete picture of the surface of the Earth until the last few hundred years.
There is absolute no real life example of something remotely close to the Ai.
I'm not saying the drive to explore don't motivate people, but it doesn't motivate people to do that kind of thing. Not to mention, there are also things like economy and logic which are ignored by the Arks.
Apparently there are 4000 people who are willing to give up everything for a chance to be the first people on Mars even though it's a one-way trip and will likely be fatal. The only way I can see that being different to the motivation of the AI colonists is that there is much less chance of it being fatal!
As far as the scale of it is concerned, it's all relative to the capabilities of the technology available.
When they were deciding to send a man to the Moon in the 60's the idea of going to Mars instead would have been a pipe dream.
Now there are corporations actively planning to send people to settle Mars but the idea of going to the nearest star is a pipe dream.
In Mass Effect, having access to cryo technology, they sent a mission to the nearest star but at that time the idea of sending anyone to another galaxy would have been a pipe dream.
Now they've discovered Mass Effect fields and the Relays which provide access to all over the Galaxy and the potential means to make a trip to Andromeda actually possible.
Mankind is always aspiring to explore further and to achieve bigger. The only real limit is the technology available and often it is this drive to explore beyond our previous limits that have actually driven technology to new heights. I just see Andromeda as a natural progression. Given the level of technology available in ME it seems entirely analogous to the real world SpaceX and Mars One initiatives that are going on right now.
In terms of the economics, I don't have a problem with the idea that a private individual could be richer than governments and have enough money to fund this project entirely if they use their entire fortune on it. As it stands, though, we've heard that some 'powerful backers' enabled her to expand the project. Whether there is any economic or logical reasoning for these backers remains to be seen but there's no reason to assume there isn't.
That's just not how the real word works.
The trip to the moon, for example. I'm sure many people that worked in that project, from astronauts to engineers, were driven by their desire to accomplish something great. But the only reason that trip was made possible is because of the Cold War. It made sense to invest money there because there was profit to be made, even if not in monetary terms.
I can see the point you're trying to make. If the trip to Andromeda was something "cheap" I could agree with you. I could see some rich guy finacing the trip, even if that means throwing the money away. However, we know that the Arks ships would be "prohibitively expensive" and the Nexus would be something in a totally different order of magnitude compared to anything else if the trilogy.
So th costs of the project, even ignoring all technological factors that would make it impossible, would be staggering. No individual or group of individual or even governments or possibily not even them together could probably finance such a project.
So what have in the end a very simple idea. You have a project that cost an impossible amount, extremely risk, that not only would give very little return but would also only (maybe) give it hundreds of years after the inital investment.
Not in the slightest. People spread to all continents of the Earth long before they had the writing technology or even the numbers to actually chart even a significant portion of the Earth's surface. That's why many continents had to be re-explored, even though people had been there for thousands of years. Nobody on Earth had a really complete picture of the surface of the Earth until the last few hundred years.
So? I'm not talking about knowing how the Earth looks, but simply moving around in the search for opportunities. As you said, we can't even talk about proper charting before the last few centuries.
Not in the slightest. People spread to all continents of the Earth long before they had the writing technology or even the numbers to actually chart even a significant portion of the Earth's surface. That's why many continents had to be re-explored, even though people had been there for thousands of years. Nobody on Earth had a really complete picture of the surface of the Earth until the last few hundred years.
So? I'm not talking about knowing how the Earth looks, but simply moving around in the search for opportunities. As you said, we can't even talk about proper charting before the last few centuries.
What do you mean "so?" You claimed humans would thoroughly explore an area before moving on to another, and I gave you a 100% verifiable example of that not being true.
This isn't a debate. Your view of human migration is completely false. Everything we know about human migratory history proves that.
The only way that view could be considered accurate would be if your idea of human exploratory history begins with Columbus, and even that would be verifiably false.
guys pls. i know it's weird request, but i'd rather see tweets in a twitter thread; go to a different thread for this.
I apologize, but I've been watching this misinformation be repeated for months and now I've hit my breaking point.
It's one thing to have an opinion, but this isn't a matter of opinion. This is something that is 100% verifiably false being spread as fact. It would be like if someone went around insisting that redheads don't exist.
[Olesya Dragunova.] @kaalshya Just a question, why is the Earth year medition used on ME? Just for make easier to players? Thanks!
Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Partially to make it easier for players, and partially because ME has always been a story told from a human perspective. I don't know about you guys but neither Google, Yahoo or Bing can find the word "MEDITION", via search.
What does it mean?
Morpheus: "know what happened happened and that it could not have happened in any other way".
Does anyone remember how the devs said or at least wanted that the game will have a reveal similar to the Fallout 4 reveal back than on E3? Maybe EA is to blame in all of the lack of information because they don't want to steal the spotlight from their other new games such as BattleField 1 and TitanFall 2.
Does anyone remember how the devs said or at least wanted that the game will have a reveal similar to the Fallout 4 reveal back than on E3? Maybe EA is to blame in all of the lack of information because they don't want to steal the spotlight from their other new games such as BattleField 1 and TitanFall 2.
I think they're just bad at marketing the game, or making people expect too much of what they'll reveal. EA wanted to hold MEA's info until BF1 and TF2 were released though.
Does anyone remember how the devs said or at least wanted that the game will have a reveal similar to the Fallout 4 reveal back than on E3? Maybe EA is to blame in all of the lack of information because they don't want to steal the spotlight from their other new games such as BattleField 1 and TitanFall 2.
They failed with this plan when they announced a new Mass Effect in 2014
guys pls. i know it's weird request, but i'd rather see tweets in a twitter thread; go to a different thread for this.
A furry? *shrugs* Anyways... here's a little link for ya, Ash. You deserve it. bsn.boards.net/post/150488
N7 - Kierro Ryder - Andromeda Initiative - Adept Dorian --- Morrigan --- Zevran --- Fenris --- Tali --- Garrus --- Kaidan --- Jaal --- Vetra S.A.M.: "I did not realize I owed my existence to a bean."
Post by The Elder King on Nov 18, 2016 15:55:59 GMT
Hrungr, do you recall a tweet about last year N7 trailer, where they stated that Shepard's speech was for the players and not really happening in the games? I recall seeing it here recently but I can't find it.
[Olesya Dragunova.] @kaalshya Just a question, why is the Earth year medition used on ME? Just for make easier to players? Thanks!
Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Partially to make it easier for players, and partially because ME has always been a story told from a human perspective. I don't know about you guys but neither Google, Yahoo or Bing can find the word "MEDITION", via search.
What does it mean?
I got nothin'. My best guess is it's a misspelling for mention or something. Maybe it's another language? I found a company name I think with it as part of it but.. yeah I dunno. I just naturally glossed over the word when I saw it, didn't even notice it lol.
Hrungr , do you recall a tweet about last year N7 trailer, where they stated that Shepard's speech was for the players and not really happening in the games? I recall seeing it here recently but I can't find it.