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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 22:51:34 GMT
By that logic, there was nothing pioneering or adventurous about Christopher Columbus' voyage since people were exploring new parts of the Atlantic Ocean every day. And yeah, he never got any fanfare or nods for his journey where nothing remarkable happened. Christopher Columbus was a monster of a human being that considered indigenous peoples to be sub-human playthings. It's hard to treat anything he did, even the good things, with any degree of reverie or awe. He doesn't deserve fanfare, and the only thing remarkable was his cruelty.More to the point its not like exploring Andromeda and exploring the Milky Way are mutually exclusive ventures. Some people can stay local and explore... some want to go to Andromeda. Our story just happens to focus on the latter group. For me the most important thing about all of it is... no Reapers. If the people and resources for the AI were instead routed to exploring more of the MW, then we'd still have to deal with the Reapers. media.giphy.com/media/awpqNsKuFtXI4/giphy.gifEdit: 500th post. Apparently I am a God now. *CHEESE FOR EVERYONE*
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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 22:53:27 GMT
Even Hanako's analogy is dubious because even today we have not explored this entire planet. We have not, nor was Europe entilrely explored during Columbus's mission. Under the Ocean is still more or less one giant unknown and yet we have sent astronauts, and spacemen to the moon, Mars, and beyond.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2017 22:53:50 GMT
I may have sent some emails Might have to send another one suggesting they use spell check as well Edit: 600 ya'll
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 2, 2017 22:54:07 GMT
By that logic, there was nothing pioneering or adventurous about Christopher Columbus' voyage since people were exploring new parts of the Atlantic Ocean every day. And yeah, he never got any fanfare or nods for his journey where nothing remarkable happened. Christopher Columbus was a monster of a human being that considered indigenous peoples to be sub-human playthings. It's hard to treat anything he did, even the good things, with any degree of reverie or awe. He doesn't deserve fanfare, and the only thing remarkable was his cruelty. More to the point its not like exploring Andromeda and exploring the Milky Way are mutually exclusive ventures. Some people can stay local and explore... some want to go to Andromeda. Our story just happens to focus on the latter group. For me the most important thing about all of it is... no Reapers. If the people and resources for the AI were instead routed to exploring more of the MW, then we'd still have to deal with the Reapers. I know and agree, but that has nothing to do with what I was saying. Regardless of whether he deserves his name in history or not, the fact is he does and always will. Agreed, however PeeBee's statement reflects poorly on her character, same with those here who dismiss the argument about exploring the Milky Way. I'd prefer to have the Reaper's legacy in Andromeda than nothing at all personally.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 2, 2017 22:55:48 GMT
Even Hanako's analogy is dubious because even today we have not explored this entire planet. We have not, nor was Europe entilrely explored during Columbus's mission. Under the Ocean is still more or less one giant unknown and yet we have sent astronauts, and spacemen to the moon, Mars, and beyond. Yeah, but unlike PeeBee and some posters here those who explore space don't insult and diminish those exploring the unknown corners of Earth.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 22:56:52 GMT
Even Hanako's analogy is dubious because even today we have not explored this entire planet. We have not, nor was Europe entilrely explored during Columbus's mission. Under the Ocean is still more or less one giant unknown and yet we have sent astronauts, and spacemen to the moon, Mars, and beyond. Yeah, but unlike PeeBee and some posters here those who explore space don't insult and diminish those exploring the unknown corners of Earth. where did PeeBee diminish...anyone?
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 2, 2017 22:57:22 GMT
Christopher Columbus was a monster of a human being that considered indigenous peoples to be sub-human playthings. It's hard to treat anything he did, even the good things, with any degree of reverie or awe. He doesn't deserve fanfare, and the only thing remarkable was his cruelty.More to the point its not like exploring Andromeda and exploring the Milky Way are mutually exclusive ventures. Some people can stay local and explore... some want to go to Andromeda. Our story just happens to focus on the latter group. For me the most important thing about all of it is... no Reapers. If the people and resources for the AI were instead routed to exploring more of the MW, then we'd still have to deal with the Reapers. media.giphy.com/media/awpqNsKuFtXI4/giphy.gifEdit: 500th post. Apparently I am a God now. *CHEESE FOR EVERYONE* welcome to godhood feels good dosen't it.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 2, 2017 22:59:57 GMT
Yeah, but unlike PeeBee and some posters here those who explore space don't insult and diminish those exploring the unknown corners of Earth. where did PeeBee diminish...anyone? Saying the entire Milky Way is a been there, done that or if she hasn't someone has is diminishing all those who would be exploring the rest of the Milky Way, saying they are essentially wasting their time for nothing and that she, not them, is making the real strides.
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Post by brunobyof on Feb 2, 2017 23:01:04 GMT
Am i the only one that thinks the voice of PeeBee doesn't actually match her character? i mean, i don't even know much of the voice acting for her but after seeing this interview i became a little...confused. Don't know why exatcly but i find that Liara's voice matched her character much more than that, the same for other characters, specially Shepard and Mordin and Legion . I do like very much the voice of Scott, Sara and Alec Ryder, even Liam's one but pebee...hmm guess i'll have to get used to it
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Post by Ianamus on Feb 2, 2017 23:03:02 GMT
That's a poor analogy, as that voyage was far more similar to the Andromeda initiative in principle than exploring the rest of the Milky Way. It's simple human nature to want to push boundaries. I prefer holidays abroad because they feel more fresh and exciting, even though there are countless places I've never visited in the UK. No, it isn't. The Andromeda Initiative equivalent would be Columbus going to the Moon or Mars, exploring a whole new world rather than exploring an unexplored part of the one we are currently on. The only difference is replace world with galaxy. Just because something is smaller in scale doesn't make it any less remarkable or have less of a pioneering or adventurous spirit. To state that is does is quite frankly insulting to so many pioneers and adventurers. Yes, it is. How is it any different to saying "Why would Columbus want to try to find new land across the sea when there are still so many unexplored parts of Europe"? Scale is incredibly important when it comes to exploration. What is more impressive, discovering a previously unknown Australia-sized landmass or discovering an island a few meters across? Whether it's insulting or not doesn't change the fact that, for most people, grand explorations in far off places are more enticing and exciting than discovering a new plant in their back garden.
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Post by dalinne on Feb 2, 2017 23:03:06 GMT
Christopher Columbus was a monster of a human being that considered indigenous peoples to be sub-human playthings. It's hard to treat anything he did, even the good things, with any degree of reverie or awe. He doesn't deserve fanfare, and the only thing remarkable was his cruelty.More to the point its not like exploring Andromeda and exploring the Milky Way are mutually exclusive ventures. Some people can stay local and explore... some want to go to Andromeda. Our story just happens to focus on the latter group. For me the most important thing about all of it is... no Reapers. If the people and resources for the AI were instead routed to exploring more of the MW, then we'd still have to deal with the Reapers. media.giphy.com/media/awpqNsKuFtXI4/giphy.gifEdit: 500th post. Apparently I am a God now. *CHEESE FOR EVERYONE* And CONGRATS Hrungr for all the views! And CONGRATS EVERYONE! PAGE 600!!! About Peebee: she owned me in the moment she says "never met someone who wore so much... death stuff" I bet she is referring to Drack!
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Might have to send another one suggesting they use spell check as well Edit: 600 ya'll I'm a little worried about myself. It took me a second or two to notice that would was spelled wrong . Ah, well! Thank the Maker for editors .
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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 23:05:31 GMT
where did PeeBee diminish...anyone? Saying the entire Milky Way is a been there, done that or if she hasn't someone has is diminishing all those who would be exploring the rest of the Milky Way, saying they are essentially wasting their time for nothing and that she is making the real strides. I think the wasting their time bit is reading too much into her words...but the rest of it? She is essentially right. The Milky Way as a setting is kind of stale from an exploration front. The Council limiting exploration to the fact that everyone kind of just *shrugs* in universe at anyone exploring the Galaxy like it is just....and then what happened? It has been commented multiple times in universe at just how stale and 'settled' the MW feels as a setting. Kaidan's rather famous line in ME 1 'we got into the final frontier and discovered it was already settled' is a perfect case in point. To go back to the IRL examples Space exploration is right now not given as much fanfare or oooh and awws as it was in the sixties. The general public just does not care about the exploration of our own solar system, that is really only left to the Scientists, or the Science nerds. The only thing that seems to even cause a blip on the radar is whenever we discover one of these extra solar planets. But I can gurantee you that people will become interested again, even vaguely, if we start mounting expeditions to explore Alpha Centauri.
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Yay, 1,000,000 views, 600 pages, we are on a roll....
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Post by Spectr61 on Feb 2, 2017 23:05:56 GMT
600 pages.
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Is it too early to call the new forums a success?
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Here's to Cyonan, and Hrungr, et. al.
And a pox on Bioware for making it necessary!
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Feb 2, 2017 23:06:34 GMT
where did PeeBee diminish...anyone? Saying the entire Milky Way is a been there, done that or if she hasn't someone has is diminishing all those who would be exploring the rest of the Milky Way, saying they are essentially wasting their time for nothing and that she, not them, is making the real strides. I disagree with that interpretation. What she said was simply a flippant way of expressing she wanted to do something truly unique. To be insulted by it is to be looking for offense.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 23:07:03 GMT
And CONGRATS Hrungr for all the views! And CONGRATS EVERYONE! PAGE 600!!! About Peebee: she owned me in the moment she says "never met someone who wore so much... death stuff" I bet she is referring to Drack! Where as that line?!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 2, 2017 23:11:09 GMT
No, it isn't. The Andromeda Initiative equivalent would be Columbus going to the Moon or Mars, exploring a whole new world rather than exploring an unexplored part of the one we are currently on. The only difference is replace world with galaxy. Just because something is smaller in scale doesn't make it any less remarkable or have less of a pioneering or adventurous spirit. To state that is does is quite frankly insulting to so many pioneers and adventurers. Yes, it is. How is it any different to saying "Why would Columbia want to try to find new land across the sea when there are still so many unexplored parts of Europe/Asia/Africa"? Scale is incredibly important when it comes to exploration. What is more impressive, discovering a previously unknown America-sized landmass or an island a few meters across? Whether it's inculting or not doesn't change the fact that, for most people, grand explorations in far off places are more enticing and exciting than discovering a new plant in their back garden. Columbus wasn't trying to find new land though. He was trying to find a new way to India, which is in Asia. So he was looking for unexplored parts of Asia. There just happened to be an American-sized continent in the way. Which proves my point. Despite exploring a place others were exploring, he made one of the biggest discoveries in history(or at least the first to be credited for it). That applies to the exploring of the Milky Way as well. There can be an equally big discovery in the unexplored parts of the Milky Way. After all, look at all that was discovered in less than 1% of it. So all those famous explorers and pioneers who made smaller discoveries were just wasting their time, huh? That's what I'm getting from you. As I said, that is an incredibly insulting and repugnant attitude. Now you are the one who is using poor analogies. So discovering a new civilization in Andromeda is a huge thing, but discovering one in the Milky Way is the same as discovering a new plant in the back garden?
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Post by dalinne on Feb 2, 2017 23:11:10 GMT
About Peebee: she owned me in the moment she says "never met someone who wore so much... death stuff" I bet she is referring to Drack! Where as that line?! Here
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 2, 2017 23:12:12 GMT
Saying the entire Milky Way is a been there, done that or if she hasn't someone has is diminishing all those who would be exploring the rest of the Milky Way, saying they are essentially wasting their time for nothing and that she is making the real strides. I think the wasting their time bit is reading too much into her words...but the rest of it? She is essentially right. The Milky Way as a setting is kind of stale from an exploration front. The Council limiting exploration to the fact that everyone kind of just *shrugs* in universe at anyone exploring the Galaxy like it is just....and then what happened? It has been commented multiple times in universe at just how stale and 'settled' the MW feels as a setting. Kaidan's rather famous line in ME 1 'we got into the final frontier and discovered it was already settled' is a perfect case in point. To go back to the IRL examples Space exploration is right now not given as much fanfare or oooh and awws as it was in the sixties. The general public just does not care about the exploration of our own solar system, that is really only left to the Scientists, or the Science nerds. The only thing that seems to even cause a blip on the radar is whenever we discover one of these extra solar planets. But I can gurantee you that people will become interested again, even vaguely, if we start mounting expeditions to explore Alpha Centauri. No, she is not. She couldn't be more wrong if she tried.
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Post by SofaJockey on Feb 2, 2017 23:12:24 GMT
600 pages. 1 million views. Is it too early to call the new forums a success? ...
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Feb 2, 2017 23:13:15 GMT
Saying the entire Milky Way is a been there, done that or if she hasn't someone has is diminishing all those who would be exploring the rest of the Milky Way, saying they are essentially wasting their time for nothing and that she, not them, is making the real strides. I disagree with that interpretation. What she said was simply a flippant way of expressing she wanted to do something truly unique. To be insulted by it is to be looking for offense. It isn't unique though. Tens of thousands of other people are doing it so it is no different than the Milky Way. That shoots her reasoning in the foot since Andromeda is now a 'been there, done that' and 'if I haven't, someone has'.
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Post by glitch89 on Feb 2, 2017 23:13:26 GMT
Am i the only one that thinks the voice of PeeBee doesn't actually match her character? i mean, i don't even know much of the voice acting for her but after seeing this interview i became a little...confused. Don't know why exatcly but i find that Liara's voice matched her character much more than that, the same for other characters, specially Shepard and Mordin and Legion . I do like very much the voice of Scott, Sara and Alec Ryder, even Liam's one but pebee...hmm guess i'll have to get used to it Yeah. It's the same for me. I like the VA that does PeeBees voice from what I've seen, but I don't think her voice fits the character that well. It doesn't bother me, but yeah I think it's something I'll have to get use to as well. It also probably might change once we see more of PeeBee. So my opinion might change once I see more of PeeBee in action.
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Post by colfoley on Feb 2, 2017 23:15:04 GMT
I think the wasting their time bit is reading too much into her words...but the rest of it? She is essentially right. The Milky Way as a setting is kind of stale from an exploration front. The Council limiting exploration to the fact that everyone kind of just *shrugs* in universe at anyone exploring the Galaxy like it is just....and then what happened? It has been commented multiple times in universe at just how stale and 'settled' the MW feels as a setting. Kaidan's rather famous line in ME 1 'we got into the final frontier and discovered it was already settled' is a perfect case in point. To go back to the IRL examples Space exploration is right now not given as much fanfare or oooh and awws as it was in the sixties. The general public just does not care about the exploration of our own solar system, that is really only left to the Scientists, or the Science nerds. The only thing that seems to even cause a blip on the radar is whenever we discover one of these extra solar planets. But I can gurantee you that people will become interested again, even vaguely, if we start mounting expeditions to explore Alpha Centauri. No, she is not. She couldn't be more wrong if she tried. So your Shepard was given giant parades, fanfare, news reports, and slaps on the back for exploring all the Uncharted Worlds you can 'chart' in MET? Because mine didn't. The fact she was a pioneer charting new territory was barely ever mentioned. ( I think the only time it was really given any mention was for Leviathan but not sure).
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