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Post by Ceoldoren on Feb 6, 2017 12:54:21 GMT
The way he said his opinion was kind of rude, just because people don't play the game the same way as him doesn't mean the experience is somehow less as he seems to imply. Theirs a massive need because for a lot of players that's not small info, they've made it a major part of the games since Mass Effect 1. It's optional, but you can tell a great deal of time and resources were put into the romances in every game. Both teams have also made a point to reveal the LI's before their games release since at least DA2. I say DA2 because that is when I first began to visit the forum so that's as far back as I know. So Bioware deciding to go somewhat hush-hush on it this time has made people antsy. I assume they did this because of the Fallout 4 style marketing they went for this time. My point is people are used to being able to plan their first play-through somewhat. Gender, Class, Romance. I made a ton of friends on the old forums discussing those plans with people and bouncing ideas off one another. It sucks not really being able to do that with any certainty this time. Anyway, I'll stop discussing this now. I just wanted to explain to you why so many people clamor for romance info. You started that one with this bit: "No one wants to get 40 hours into their playthrough and realize they can't romance Jaal with BroRyder or can't romance Vetra with SisRyder." He gave you an example (himself) of at least one person who clearly does want to play that way. For the record, I'm another. And that's totally fine if you want to play that way ! I was referring to the last part of his post where he claims that anyone who does not play blind is 'their own worst enemy' because they 'don't get an organic role-playing experience as their character would' I just find that a little bit silly is all. I have no problem with someone wanting to go in blind though ! I just personally prefer to have my characters Class, gender, and LI planned before I go into the game. Looks like we'll all be going in mostly blind though unless something changes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 12:59:56 GMT
I don't want to know everything beforehand. I don't want to know anything regarding plot, quests, anything. I want to know who I can romance. That is literally all I want to know. You sound very close-minded. Everyone enjoys Bioware games for different reasons and go into the games in different ways. Some people go in completely blind and decide everything on the fly. Some people want to be able to plan every piece of their play-through beforehand. Who are you to say what the right way or the best way to play is ? As Hammerstorm says, I am merely stating my opinion. People should have the right to decide whether they know the romance options before they play or not. If Bioware release that information before the game is released then that will deny people that choice. After the game is released the information will be readily available for those who want it and readily avoidable for those who don't. I have seen many people clamouring for romance information and nobody giving any thought to the other side of the coin. It is not close-minded to point out the possibility that some people can actually enjoy discovering this stuff in game as opposed to knowing how a relationship will end up before you even start on it. What you are asking for will deny me and others who share my opinion the option to enjoy the game the way I want. Bioware's current stance, however, will enable us both to enjoy the game the way we want when it comes out. Which is why I applaud their current stance on this matter. True enough. To be honest, I only play after finding all the spoilers possible. I like to know what I'm walking into. If I like the whole plot, I'll play it, or the romances, or the side activities. It doesn't ruin anything for me. While I understand completely it might take the joy from most people knowing it beforehand, I actually find it more fulfilling if I like what I discovered and I get even more hyped. But it's true, if Bioware releases all info before the game comes out, it will invariably ruin those who do not want spoilers because some people just can't keep their mouths shut.
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Post by Ceoldoren on Feb 6, 2017 13:09:55 GMT
I don't want to know everything beforehand. I don't want to know anything regarding plot, quests, anything. I want to know who I can romance. That is literally all I want to know. You sound very close-minded. Everyone enjoys Bioware games for different reasons and go into the games in different ways. Some people go in completely blind and decide everything on the fly. Some people want to be able to plan every piece of their play-through beforehand. Who are you to say what the right way or the best way to play is ? As Hammerstorm says, I am merely stating my opinion. People should have the right to decide whether they know the romance options before they play or not. If Bioware release that information before the game is released then that will deny people that choice. After the game is released the information will be readily available for those who want it and readily avoidable for those who don't. I have seen many people clamouring for romance information and nobody giving any thought to the other side of the coin. It is not close-minded to point out the possibility that some people can actually enjoy discovering this stuff in game as opposed to knowing how a relationship will end up before you even start on it. What you are asking for will deny me and others who share my opinion the option to enjoy the game the way I want. Bioware's current stance, however, will enable us both to enjoy the game the way we want when it comes out. Which is why I applaud their current stance on this matter. You're absolutely right, we should be able to choose whether we go in knowing that info or not. It's info that they've readily given before release on every Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Now suddenly we get no choice in the matter. Also, I don't see how Bioware confirming the LI's and their sexuality is somehow forcing you to also get that information. You could obviously still choose whether you wanted to obtain that info or not by simply not getting on a forum for hardcore Bioware fans that has gotten LI spoilers before every game since DA2. I've never seen that info be just forced in front of my eyes unless I was on BSN. This is all a moot point however. They've said they're not going to confirm all the LI's. So you will get to go in blind, theirs already been some leaks for LI's from a reputable source in the other board. So hopefully we get more so we both get what we want. Now let's stop discussing this before we both get in trouble for going off-topic. Also, allow me to apologize for calling you close-minded. That was rude of me. We should always be friendly on these boards. We're all fans !
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 13:21:13 GMT
This is a game that heavily frames exploration and discovery as one of its key selling points, both in terms of narrative and gameplay. Mac Walters himself has said in a Game Informer Q&A that there has been a conscious effort to only show so much, and only say so much, in regards to the game, as they would prefer to let most of it be discovered, and experienced, firsthand. There has been a lot of debate in regards to this decision, plenty of people applaud, plenty think the lack of info translates to the game being rushed and/or failing, and will likely fail. Regardless, they have stuck to their decision, which is something I applaud, regardless of my own personal wishes in regards to certain info elements.
In regards to the romances, it is a slippery slope.
I think there are some (some, not all before my statement is jumped on) who are content not knowing the romances, and would much prefer to organically find out in game as a part of the experience, with a certain amount of contention knowing that they are going to be well catered for in regards to the availability and options. I also think there are some who are as uncertain as a lot of people, but still don't want to know. That is perfectly fine. One side of the coin.
I think a lot of the worrying coming from the other side, is from people like myself and others who aren't so much in a position of needing to know, rather wanting their fears to be denied as to whether everyone gets an equal balance and or availability. There are plenty who are worried that in terms of the romances available to them, they will get lesser, and be disappointed. To that end, they'd rather know now, to get either their happiness or disappointment over with, so that they may go into the game knowing and not having to feel those feelings when they play it.
This whole issue is a slippery slope also to do with the fact that they haven't been completely silent on the matter, and that for those not wanting to know who is available, this has been shattered somewhat by the confirmation of Cora and Peebee as LIs. That is why there is an only increased amount of concern and querying as to the romances, since they have broken their silence twice now, and both on female LIs, not male ones.
I really don't know what else to say, only that I won't bring it up again, since I understand there is only so much outside discussion on the Twitter thread that can be tolerated. But the romances and LIs are to an extent still in discussion of various tweets that have been made by developers. Regardless, if anyone wants to carry this discussion on, with me or others, I'd be happy to on a romance thread. For now I'll stay silent on the matter, I just wanted to express my own view and opinion on the matter, and on the state of revealing info etc.
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Post by Thrombin on Feb 6, 2017 13:23:56 GMT
You're absolutely right, we should be able to choose whether we go in knowing that info or not. It's info that they've readily given before release on every Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Now suddenly we get no choice in the matter. Which in itself could be indicative that there will indeed be plot twists with the romances that this information would spoil. While that's true. Most of the people reading this thread would not want to be spoiled about major plot twists. It's all relative. We are relying on the fact that Bioware will not be releasing information before release that might, in their opinion, spoil our enjoyment of the game and we trust each other and the mods that anything not officially released will be properly spoilered. I plan to vacate the thread when the early access happens but, until then, I am still interested in all the pre-release marketing and hype so, personally, I am really glad that the official pre-release marketing and hype does not include romance specifics. Apology accepted
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Hope4fuuly we get somethin gabout the game this week like a trailer or something.
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Hope4fuuly we get somethin gabout the game this week like a trailer or something. I'm surprised they didn't take advantage of the super bowl and stick a new ad there though I'm sure it would have been quite expensive.
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Post by Pon.ee on Feb 6, 2017 13:31:27 GMT
How about those tweets tho, those little snippets about 140 characters long that aren't in depth discussion about things that aren't tweets?
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Post by elitepinecone on Feb 6, 2017 13:31:28 GMT
I apologize, the thread was a little light on twitter discussion so I was just trying to keep the chat going. I'll stop. I don't know if we should compensate lack of Twitter information with a discussion on a certain matter. Makes it hard to catch up on everything after sleep/work. I agree, it's getting harder to justify reading this thread daily when half the posts seem to be memes and gifs.
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Post by JewlieGhoulie on Feb 6, 2017 13:36:31 GMT
All these Vague tweets get me speculating what they could mean.
Sometimes I wonder if they fixed some super crazy bug... other times I wonder if Drack's horn beard was off a millimeter and they fixed that. I just don't know anymore xD
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Post by originofwaves on Feb 6, 2017 13:36:57 GMT
shiniebezial sejic @stjepansejic okay... so i may be a bit hyped for mass effect... Colin Campbell @ccampbellartCool. Hope you enjoy it! We're working hard on it. shiniebezial sejic @stjepansejicoh if the multiplayer is anything like me3, there goes another year of my life... i may have had way too much fun with that XD Colin Campbell @ccampbellart
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 13:37:02 GMT
I don't know if we should compensate lack of Twitter information with a discussion on a certain matter. Makes it hard to catch up on everything after sleep/work. I agree, it's getting harder to justify reading this thread daily when half the posts seem to be memes and gifs. It would be quite a bit of work, but I think a separate locked/restricted pinned twitter archive thread that just has the tweets and not discussions from this thread would be neat. Though updating it all the time would be a bit of a pain I imagine. Edit: I want to also add that this is a discussion thread and that, although some discussion could be taken elsewhere or go too off topic, people have a right to post their responses and discuss the tweets to an acceptable degree whether through gifs, memes, or through your average 10-12 Times New Roman sentences.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 6, 2017 13:43:43 GMT
You're absolutely right, we should be able to choose whether we go in knowing that info or not. It's info that they've readily given before release on every Dragon Age and Mass Effect. Now suddenly we get no choice in the matter. Which in itself could be indicative that there will indeed be plot twists with the romances that this information would spoil. While that's true. Most of the people reading this thread would not want to be spoiled about major plot twists. It's all relative. We are relying on the fact that Bioware will not be releasing information before release that might, in their opinion, spoil our enjoyment of the game and we trust each other and the mods that anything not officially released will be properly spoilered. I plan to vacate the thread when the early access happens but, until then, I am still interested in all the pre-release marketing and hype so, personally, I am really glad that the official pre-release marketing and hype does not include romance specifics.
Apology accepted yeah I plan to avoid the forum as soon as the early access begins as well. If I'm here at all it'll likely only be on the Dragon Age section and not here. As I know I don't want any story spoilers really. I'm only really interested in the mechancs of the game and how it'll all work for now not so much the story I'll wait til I play until I uncover that. So pretty much from the 16th March up until I finish that first playthrough I'll be going dark.
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shiniebezial sejic @stjepansejic okay... so i may be a bit hyped for mass effect... Colin Campbell @ccampbellartCool. Hope you enjoy it! We're working hard on it. shiniebezial sejic @stjepansejicoh if the multiplayer is anything like me3, there goes another year of my life... i may have had way too much fun with that XD Colin Campbell @ccampbellart
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shiniebezial sejic @stjepansejic okay... so i may be a bit hyped for mass effect... Colin Campbell @ccampbellartCool. Hope you enjoy it! We're working hard on it. Snip ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
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This is a game that heavily frames exploration and discovery as one of its key selling points, both in terms of narrative and gameplay. Mac Walters himself has said in a Game Informer Q&A that there has been a conscious effort to only show so much, and only say so much, in regards to the game, as they would prefer to let most of it be discovered, and experienced, firsthand. There has been a lot of debate in regards to this decision, plenty of people applaud, plenty think the lack of info translates to the game being rushed and/or failing, and will likely fail. Regardless, they have stuck to their decision, which is something I applaud, regardless of my own personal wishes in regards to certain info elements. In regards to the romances, it is a slippery slope. I think there are some (some, not all before my statement is jumped on) who are content not knowing the romances, and would much prefer to organically find out in game as a part of the experience, with a certain amount of contention knowing that they are going to be well catered for in regards to the availability and options. I also think there are some who are as uncertain as a lot of people, but still don't want to know. That is perfectly fine. One side of the coin. I think a lot of the worrying coming from the other side, is from people like myself and others who aren't so much in a position of needing to know, rather wanting their fears to be denied as to whether everyone gets an equal balance and or availability. There are plenty who are worried that in terms of the romances available to them, they will get lesser, and be disappointed. To that end, they'd rather know now, to get either their happiness or disappointment over with, so that they may go into the game knowing and not having to feel those feelings when they play it. This whole issue is a slippery slope also to do with the fact that they haven't been completely silent on the matter, and that for those not wanting to know who is available, this has been shattered somewhat by the confirmation of Cora and Peebee as LIs. That is why there is an only increased amount of concern and querying as to the romances, since they have broken their silence twice now, and both on female LIs, not male ones. I really don't know what else to say, only that I won't bring it up again, since I understand there is only so much outside discussion on the Twitter thread that can be tolerated. But the romances and LIs are to an extent still in discussion of various tweets that have been made by developers. Regardless, if anyone wants to carry this discussion on, with me or others, I'd be happy to on a romance thread. For now I'll stay silent on the matter, I just wanted to express my own view and opinion on the matter, and on the state of revealing info etc. It is basically this, Mass Effect has the worst track record on representation and I just do not trust them after how awful Sera romance was, so in a way it is not really about wanting to know who but more about "balance and quality" for LGBT+ characters.
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Post by JayKay on Feb 6, 2017 14:23:28 GMT
shiniebezial sejic @stjepansejic okay... so i may be a bit hyped for mass effect... Colin Campbell @ccampbellartCool. Hope you enjoy it! We're working hard on it. shiniebezial sejic @stjepansejicoh if the multiplayer is anything like me3, there goes another year of my life... i may have had way too much fun with that XD Colin Campbell @ccampbellart
My wife @jharacampbell & I did also! We're just trying to finish MEA so we can play its MP. Also, huge fans of your work! I never thought I'd Sunstone show up on here lol I mean, Bioware fans and "smutty literature" fans really go hand in hand! But yes, if you like comics or romance stories and haven't picked up the Sunstone series, you're missing out.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 6, 2017 14:35:41 GMT
Hope4fuuly we get somethin gabout the game this week like a trailer or something. I'm surprised they didn't take advantage of the super bowl and stick a new ad there though I'm sure it would have been quite expensive. well they did have that brief 30 sec pre-order vid that showed some of the multiplayer not that I'l be playing that. But I liked the way the hair moved as the biotics were being charged. But then I don't really count that as a proper vid not like the cinematic trailers or AI briefings or other gameplay trailers we've seen with Sara and Scott.
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Post by Solas on Feb 6, 2017 14:35:46 GMT
Matthew-Black @beardedkrogan this maybe a dumb question but can people in the UK take advantage of the EA early access at the same time as US? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoonHrm, I had assumed so, but I'm not entirely sure. Will ask around. they've said before its the same day for everyone, i really hope that wasn't wrong info.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 14:42:44 GMT
I'm surprised they didn't take advantage of the super bowl and stick a new ad there though I'm sure it would have been quite expensive. well they did have that brief 30 sec pre-order vid that showed some of the multiplayer not that I'l be playing that. But I liked the way the hair moved as the biotics were being charged. But then I don't really count that as a proper vid not like the cinematic trailers or AI briefings or other gameplay trailers we've seen with Sara and Scott. During the super bowl? Must have missed that. Though to be fair I was mostly looking for tweets and often stepped out to do stuff. Hopefully we do get something this week. These 1-2min trailers just aren't doing it for me.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Feb 6, 2017 14:49:51 GMT
well they did have that brief 30 sec pre-order vid that showed some of the multiplayer not that I'l be playing that. But I liked the way the hair moved as the biotics were being charged. But then I don't really count that as a proper vid not like the cinematic trailers or AI briefings or other gameplay trailers we've seen with Sara and Scott. During the super bowl? Must have missed that. Though to be fair I was mostly looking for tweets and often stepped out to do stuff. Hopefully we do get something this week. These 1-2min trailers just aren't doing it for me. no not during the super bowl bu8t they did release a kind of 30 sec vid of multiplayer the pre order vid This one I do agree though it would be nice to see something more substantial
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Post by kumazan on Feb 6, 2017 14:49:56 GMT
well they did have that brief 30 sec pre-order vid that showed some of the multiplayer not that I'l be playing that. But I liked the way the hair moved as the biotics were being charged. But then I don't really count that as a proper vid not like the cinematic trailers or AI briefings or other gameplay trailers we've seen with Sara and Scott. During the super bowl? Must have missed that. Though to be fair I was mostly looking for tweets and often stepped out to do stuff. Hopefully we do get something this week. These 1-2min trailers just aren't doing it for me. At the very least I think we'll get Drack's or Vetra's profile. Both if we're lucky. But I doubt we see more than a 2 minutes trailer untile the long gameplay they're supposed to release, and I suspect that will be way closer to launch.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2017 15:02:36 GMT
During the super bowl? Must have missed that. Though to be fair I was mostly looking for tweets and often stepped out to do stuff. Hopefully we do get something this week. These 1-2min trailers just aren't doing it for me. no not during the super bowl bu8t they did release a kind of 30 sec vid of multiplayer the pre order vid This one I do agree though it would be nice to see something more substantial I hope we get epic combat music this time. Nothing wrong with what was used in the trilogy, but I liked a lot more the ones we've heard in the trailers, if they're really from the game.
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