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Post by shechinah on Sept 7, 2016 21:13:55 GMT
Sounds incredibly human-centric.  Really? Now that is going to be your complain? Why do i get the feeling you would still be doing that even if they had showed everything you said you wanted?... 
It's partially because it dosen't seem to make sense that this was a human project given the likely amount of resources, technology, time and funds that needed to be dedicated to this. It'd make more sense if this was a Council project where humanity pitched in. It's not as if this would make humanity suck or anything: it's just that the Council races would have the largest amount of what would be needed.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2016 21:14:04 GMT
I was dreading it ever since that accursed leak over a year ago kept mentioning stuff like that. That has been one of my complaints for years. We are supposed to be a part of a galactic community, yet they have it so the universe revolves around humanity because humanity is Superspecialawesome. I stated countless times that is one of the few things I actually would have liked to be left behind. The problem with that is the game is being written by humans and is designed to appeal to other humans. That kind of implicit bias is very difficult to work around. Humanity needs to at least be near the spotlight otherwise a not-insignificant amount of people will have trouble becoming immersed in the game (which is kinda the point of RPGs). There have been plenty of science fiction and fantasy stories written where humanity is not the center of the universe and did well. I was hoping Bioware would try it what with them going on about us being the aliens and us being part of a community, but clearly that isn't the case much to the detriment of the game. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2016 21:16:22 GMT
Really? Now that is going to be your complain? Why do i get the feeling you would still be doing that even if they had showed everything you said you wanted?...
It's partially because it dosen't seem to make sense that this was a human project given the likely amount of resources, technology, time and funds that needed to be dedicated to this. It'd make more sense if this was primarily a Council project where humanity pitched in.
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Post by Pearl on Sept 7, 2016 21:17:47 GMT
The problem with that is the game is being written by humans and is designed to appeal to other humans. That kind of implicit bias is very difficult to work around. Humanity needs to at least be near the spotlight otherwise a not-insignificant amount of people will have trouble becoming immersed in the game (which is kinda the point of RPGs). There have been plenty of science fiction and fantasy stories written where humanity is not the center of the universe and did well. I was hoping Bioware would try it what with them going on about us being the aliens and us being part of a community, but clearly that isn't the case much to the detriment of the game. While that's definitely true, we all know how human-centric the original trilogy is, so Andromeda following suit shouldn't be a surprise. For the record, I agree with you that it's unfortunate, but I'll reserve judgment on if it's implementation is good or a bad until I have a chance to play the game myself. |
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Post by bshep on Sept 7, 2016 21:19:17 GMT
The problem with that is the game is being written by humans and is designed to appeal to other humans. That kind of implicit bias is very difficult to work around. Humanity needs to at least be near the spotlight otherwise a not-insignificant amount of people will have trouble becoming immersed in the game (which is kinda the point of RPGs). There have been plenty of science fiction and fantasy stories written where humanity is not the center of the universe and did well. I was hoping Bioware would try it what with them going on about us being the aliens and us being part of a community, but clearly that isn't the case much to the detriment of the game. We haven't played the game how can you know it will be detrimental to it? We haven't even see a story trailer yet. I am sorry but to me seems like you want to be negative no matter what Bioware shows. |
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Post by Lady Sif on Sept 7, 2016 21:19:26 GMT
Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon In case it wasn't clear, we've got a whole lot more coming your way starting N7 Day, when the floodgates truly open.  #MassEffectAndromeda User @tibermoon that's when we see the Turians right? #ifYouDontAsk 😉 Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @user More races to be revealed in the fall. Will that include Turians? We'll see! |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 21:21:23 GMT
wait, was it confirmed that fleeing to andromeda was humanity's idea or w/e? i think i missed something...
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Post by dalinne on Sept 7, 2016 21:21:27 GMT
Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon 56m56 minutes ago In case it wasn't clear, we've got a whole lot more coming your way starting N7 Day, when the floodgates truly open. #MassEffectAndromeda Andrew Bone link2twenty 55m55 minutes ago @tibermoon that's when we see the Turians right? #ifYouDontAsk 😉 Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon link2twenty More races to be revealed in the fall. Will that include Turians? We'll see! If you want to be Mass Effect, you need the Turians Nobody airquotes as they airquote. Not even Humans  |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2016 21:22:35 GMT
wait, was it confirmed that fleeing to andromeda was humanity's idea or w/e? i think i missed something... Aaryn Flynn mentioned it in his interview just now. Apparently it is human led with the other races 'tagging along'. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2016 21:23:52 GMT
There have been plenty of science fiction and fantasy stories written where humanity is not the center of the universe and did well. I was hoping Bioware would try it what with them going on about us being the aliens and us being part of a community, but clearly that isn't the case much to the detriment of the game. While that's definitely true, we all know how human-centric the original trilogy is, so Andromeda following suit shouldn't be a surprise. For the record, I agree with you that it's unfortunate, but I'll reserve judgment on if it's implementation is good or a bad until I have a chance to play the game myself. Not so much a surprise, just a disappointment. It'll be bad, at least for me. The leak is all but confirmed now and that sounded terrible. |
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Post by shechinah on Sept 7, 2016 21:24:05 GMT
The problem with that is the game is being written by humans and is designed to appeal to other humans. That kind of implicit bias is very difficult to work around. Humanity needs to at least be near the spotlight otherwise a not-insignificant amount of people will have trouble becoming immersed in the game (which is kinda the point of RPGs). There have been plenty of science fiction and fantasy stories written where humanity is not the center of the universe and did well. I was hoping Bioware would try it what with them going on about us being the aliens and us being part of a community, but clearly that isn't the case much to the detriment of the game. It's still my worry that it is going to emphasises humanity because I think this would be the worse time for it since all of the Milky races are refugees: we're literally all in the same boat. We should be taking shifts rowing and generally be working together because we would be strongest together.
Think about it: We have the turian's hat of discipline and military know-how, we have the salarian's hat of intelligence and creativity, we have the asari's hat of biotics and diplomacy, we have humanity's hat of adaptability and determination, we have the volus' hat of building strong and steady economies, we have the krogan's hat of hardiness and so on.
Together, we have the best chance of surviving and building a new civilisation. I'm not in Mass Effect for humanity, I'm in Mass Effect for things like the other races.
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Post by bshep on Sept 7, 2016 21:24:28 GMT
wait, was it confirmed that fleeing to andromeda was humanity's idea or w/e? i think i missed something... No it wasn't. But from what Aaryn Flynn said we can imply the story is told from a human pov (no surprises there). |
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Post by dalinne on Sept 7, 2016 21:24:52 GMT
Aaryn has also revealed we start the game once we are in our way to Andromeda, so...
They must have left all the technicalities and such in the book.
We won't have a scene leaving Earth or the Milky Way it seems.
No Reapers shown, just its shadows
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Post by KirkyX on Sept 7, 2016 21:25:12 GMT
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Post by BioFan on Sept 7, 2016 21:25:12 GMT
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2016 21:25:33 GMT
There have been plenty of science fiction and fantasy stories written where humanity is not the center of the universe and did well. I was hoping Bioware would try it what with them going on about us being the aliens and us being part of a community, but clearly that isn't the case much to the detriment of the game. It's still my worry that it is going to emphasises humanity because I think this would be the worse time for it since all of the Milky races are refugees: we're literally all in the same boat. We should be taking shifts rowing and generally be working together because we would be strongest together.
Think about it: We have the turian's hat of discipline and military know-how, we have the salarian's hat of intelligence and creativity, we have the asari's hat of biotics and diplomacy, we have humanity's hat of adaptability and determination, we have the volus' hat of building strong and steady economies, we have the krogan's hat of hardiness and so on.
Together, we have the best chance of surviving and building a new civilisation. I'm not in Mass Effect for humanity, I'm in Mass Effect for things like the other races.
I agree completely. As you said, we are all in the same boat both metaphorically and literally. This was the golden opportunity to show the races as equal, but no they've going with the humans are superspecialawesome thing again. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 7, 2016 21:26:42 GMT
Aaryn has also revealed we start the game once we are in our way to Andromeda, so... They must have left all the technicalities and such in the book. Reapers How can that be? They said everything in the E3 'trailer' would be in the game, and that video has shuttles leaving Earth. Maybe he means gameplay starts once we are on our way. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2016 21:26:55 GMT
ah, i'll have to look back at that again then.
on another note, i was hoping bioware was going to have to use fryder in the gameplay trailer since they mostly used mshep for the trilogy.
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Post by The Elder King on Sept 7, 2016 21:26:59 GMT
wait, was it confirmed that fleeing to andromeda was humanity's idea or w/e? i think i missed something... No it wasn't. But from what Aaryn Flynn said we can imply the story is told from a human pov (no surprises there). That was already confirmed, they said the game will focus on humanity's plan on colonizing The new galaxy. The way Flynn talked about the project, with other species 'pitching in' implies that the Andromeda project was mostly something human came up with. |
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Post by shechinah on Sept 7, 2016 21:27:03 GMT
Not to mention how going back to status quo of how the races interact and see each other would be such a wasted oppertunity in my opinion: this would be the time where the races would develop and be different from how they were in the Milky Way. They are in a whole new galaxy where they have to adapt to new challenges and survive with no safety net.
Humanity might even stop being bland and be more like Mass Effect 1's humanity: you know, like Ashley demonstrating a love for poetry and having a religion with a xenophobic tinge to her character that was realistic given the history of Mass Effect's humanity. The aliens get to have religions and poetry. I mean, we had a krogan reciting poetry. |
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Post by dalinne on Sept 7, 2016 21:27:25 GMT
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Post by Furisco on Sept 7, 2016 21:27:45 GMT
I love Mass Effect and will never understand all this thing that Bioware have with Humanity and N7.
When i think about Mass Effect, Humanity and N7 are the very last things that come to my mind and the whole ark project being a human thing sounds annoying to me.
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Post by Lady Sif on Sept 7, 2016 21:28:39 GMT
User @tibermoon Ian, can we also switch to a 3rd person view that's more close to the character (ME1,2,3 viewpoint) ? Hope you can answer. Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @user Yup, the camera changes with context In various ways. What you see here is "default exploration cam." User @tibermoon So can we also lock the camera to a closer range? Or is it only context sensitive? Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon @user Sorry, you've used up my whole free info quota.  Wait for the Fall. User @tibermoon No problem Ian. I'm grateful for that one answer you gave me. All the best! Can't wait for N7 Day & the game's release ofc. |
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Post by dalinne on Sept 7, 2016 21:31:10 GMT
Aaryn has also revealed we start the game once we are in our way to Andromeda, so... They must have left all the technicalities and such in the book. Reapers How can that be? They said everything in the E3 'trailer' would be in the game, and that video has shuttles leaving Earth. Maybe he means gameplay starts once we are on our way. Honestly I don't know I think Aaryn has explicitly said we start right in our way to Andromeda, but maybe I got something wrong. Or they changed of idea. Or the shuttles are leaving another planet in Andromeda. Who knows? Yea, probably fraking Aaryn knows  |
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Post by hotdogbsg on Sept 7, 2016 21:35:16 GMT
I love Mass Effect and will never understand all this thing that Bioware have with Humanity and N7. When i think about Mass Effect, Humanity and N7 are the very last things that come to my mind and the whole ark project being a human thing sounds annoying to me. It's funny how people take different things from game. When I think about Mass Effect, humanity and their place in the galaxy is one of the first things that come to mind. |
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