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Post by Lady Sif on Oct 25, 2016 14:23:00 GMT
Only 2 weeks. We've been waiting since E3, finally getting there.
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Post by Lady Sif on Oct 25, 2016 15:03:35 GMT
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Post by Lady Sif on Oct 25, 2016 15:34:31 GMT
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Post by Rascoth on Oct 25, 2016 16:00:55 GMT
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Post by Obliviousmiss on Oct 25, 2016 16:11:48 GMT
Only 2 weeks. We've been waiting since E3, finally getting there. 2 Weeeeks!Thanks for the nightmare fuel, Hrungr!
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Oct 25, 2016 16:23:40 GMT
Only 2 weeks. We've been waiting since E3, finally getting there. 2 Weeeeks!Get ready for a surPRISE!!!
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Post by BevH on Oct 25, 2016 16:24:00 GMT
Only 2 weeks. We've been waiting since E3, finally getting there.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 25, 2016 16:28:37 GMT
2 Weeeeks! Thanks for the nightmare fuel, Hrungr ! You should thank me, I was originally gonna go with these...
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Post by Lady Sif on Oct 25, 2016 16:34:51 GMT
Oh good lord I thank you for not going with that first one! That one may give me nightmares
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Post by zlojeb on Oct 25, 2016 17:38:02 GMT
2 Weeeeks! Thanks for the nightmare fuel, Hrungr ! Haven't watched The Cube I take it?
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 25, 2016 18:24:03 GMT
he makes some good points but never heard of him before. why did you post this here? feels like i'm out of the loop. No idea, but I watched it and I have to say, he got 3 out of 3 IMO. The MEA part is the first third, for anyone who hasn't watched it yet. Reiterates some of our own hopes and dreams we've written about, but good to hear them anyway. This one isn't nerdrage, it's very well reasoned and thoughtful. But I was even more impressed about the CDPR segment (middle third). Industry appears to call it "crunch time." Where I've worked, it's been called the "death march." I like the latter term, it's both more vivid and more accurate. Many years ago, a software coder I respect shared an insight with me that has stuck with me to this day. I'll translate it into modern parlance: Crunch time is a symptom of bad management. I've embellished it with this addition: Too many of us wear it as a badge of honor, but it ought to be treated as something to be ashamed of.I'm not talking about the hacker* work ethic, where this all started. The hacker work ethic is a single individual, on rare occasions, being so passionate about the work they are doing that they spend all nighters getting it done. In it's purest form, it's entirely voluntary. That's where this badge of honor idea comes from. (I'm using "hacker" in it's original 1980's definition, a wizard of software. Not the modern day criminals, who more correctly should be called "crackers".) That traditional ethic has been exploited by management. What used to be voluntary has been made mandatory. What used to be rare occasions has been made a regularly scheduled event, lasting weeks or even months. Involving an entire department, division or company. And what kind of reward do all these people usually get for crunch time? Overtime pay? Bonus? Extra time off? A pat on the back? All too often, the answer is none of the above. Because it's "expected." Don't take my word for it. Here's one person's accounting of their spouse's crunch time at EA. It's pretty horrifying, worth a read: ea-spouse.livejournal.com/There's an apocryphal story of Steve Jobs rolling into the offices of Apple on a Saturday at 10am, screaming, "Where the f--k is everyone?! The parking lot is empty!" BTW, this "crunch is expected" mentality is one of the reasons why Agile methodologies are so popular among coders. It puts control of the content*schedule*quality equation back in the hands of the coders. Well, when it's done right, anyway. So anyway, it's a good segment in the video above, worth a watch.
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Post by Adhin on Oct 25, 2016 18:32:51 GMT
Maybe that's why theres almost no game companys in my state, it's illegal not to pay overtime pay here lol. That would explain a lot of some of the central 'there all in these 3 states' crap that seems to happen.
Seriously though crunch time as some kind of weird company wide mandate is pretty bullshit. I would definitely expect people to actually 'do' it but mostly because they're volunteering as it should be. And in either regard should involve overtime pay as that's what it fucking exist for.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 25, 2016 19:08:27 GMT
he makes some good points but never heard of him before. why did you post this here? feels like i'm out of the loop. No idea, but I watched it and I have to say, he got 3 out of 3 IMO. The MEA part is the first third, for anyone who hasn't watched it yet. Reiterates some of our own hopes and dreams we've written about, but good to hear them anyway. This one isn't nerdrage, it's very well reasoned and thoughtful. But I was even more impressed about the CDPR segment (middle third). Industry appears to call it "crunch time." Where I've worked, it's been called the "death march." I like the latter term, it's both more vivid and more accurate. Many years ago, a software coder I respect shared an insight with me that has stuck with me to this day. I'll translate it into modern parlance: Crunch time is a symptom of bad management. I've embellished it with this addition: Too many of us wear it as a badge of honor, but it ought to be treated as something to be ashamed of.I'm not talking about the hacker* work ethic, where this all started. The hacker work ethic is a single individual, on rare occasions, being so passionate about the work they are doing that they spend all nighters getting it done. In it's purest form, it's entirely voluntary. That's where this badge of honor idea comes from. (I'm using "hacker" in it's original 1980's definition, a wizard of software. Not the modern day criminals, who more correctly should be called "crackers".) That traditional ethic has been exploited by management. What used to be voluntary has been made mandatory. What used to be rare occasions has been made a regularly scheduled event, lasting weeks or even months. Involving an entire department, division or company. And what kind of reward do all these people usually get for crunch time? Overtime pay? Bonus? Extra time off? A pat on the back? All too often, the answer is none of the above. Because it's "expected." Don't take my word for it. Here's one person's accounting of their spouse's crunch time at EA. It's pretty horrifying, worth a read: ea-spouse.livejournal.com/There's an apocryphal story of Steve Jobs rolling into the offices of Apple on a Saturday at 10am, screaming, "Where the f--k is everyone?! The parking lot is empty!" BTW, this "crunch is expected" mentality is one of the reasons why Agile methodologies are so popular among coders. It puts control of the content*schedule*quality equation back in the hands of the coders. Well, when it's done right, anyway. So anyway, it's a good segment in the video above, worth a watch. Very disheartening to read. And while crunch time is still very much alive today, all I can say is I hope conditions are at least somewhat better and better compensated now than they were 12 years ago when that article was written. EDIT: Note that in Canada you are required to pay overtime (with but few exceptions).
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Oct 25, 2016 19:16:06 GMT
Very disheartening to read. And while crunch time is still very much alive today, all I can say is I hope conditions are at least somewhat better and better compensated now than they were 12 years ago when that article was written. Indeed. I updated my post to point at the updated article/page, which has some of the aftermath, including a class action lawsuit against EA by employees. You're right to point out that the 2004 article is kind of ancient history. These days, we have Glassdoor. Anytime I see several negative reviews that say, "Crunch time is expected," I know to steer clear of that place. ea-spouse.livejournal.com/EDIT: I should mention that some of my managers have been great. Some have specifically told me that there is no need to work late or crunch, but I do it anyway because I want to. So there are still some sane places to work.
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 25, 2016 19:32:48 GMT
Some random.. @somerandomluke How many playthroughs does it take to smash all the bugs?
Michael Gamble @gamblemike @p0e1 I don't know. @bl0f ?
Aurélien André @bl0f several thousands ! so many permutations in the game that we randomize player choices to try to cover all
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2016 19:38:28 GMT
Sounds like time for an open beta ...
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 25, 2016 21:04:08 GMT
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P0 @sjosz Freaking doors in video games, y'know?
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Silence of the Sams @stillnotsamReporting for duty.
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Chris Entwistle @chrisdentwistle"Well, you know what they say - you can't make a game without breaking a few builds..." Jeff Theriault fieldfluxThis was timed perfectly considering I just broke my team's build about 20 minutes ago
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Post by KirkyX on Oct 25, 2016 23:23:27 GMT
Blair tWitch Project @thefiddzz One of my favourite dev shirts so far working at bioware. Silence of the Sams @stillnotsam @thefiddzz I'm wearing mine today too! I love that Pathfinder patch with the Tempest silhouette on the shoulder so, so much--it reminds me of the uniforms from Star Trek: Enterprise, and NASA mission patches generally. Wonder if we'll be able to apply something similar to our armour/uniform in-game?
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Oct 26, 2016 0:46:48 GMT
Can we assume the ARKCON stuff is gone?
Shame. I liked that color scheme better.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Oct 26, 2016 1:40:04 GMT
Can we assume the ARKCON stuff is gone? Shame. I liked that color scheme better. I think the ARKCON stuff may still be in the game, and that the Andromeda Initiative may just be a part of it and both have different symbols. To use a comparison: Andromeda Initiative = N7 or SPECTRE ARKCON = Systems Alliance or Citadel Council
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Post by Hrungr on Oct 26, 2016 2:05:39 GMT
Jay Watamaniuk @jaywatamaniuk Today has moved from 'come at me bro' to full snapping-fingers-rocket-in-my-pocket gang fight.
Patrick Weekes @patrickweekes The "knife fight in dark alley" part of the project is the best part of the project.
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