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Post by Sartoz on Sept 23, 2016 23:20:20 GMT
I had forgotten all about that. Their marketing really has been a hot mess over the last few years. I realise I'm probably in the minority (and maybe this should go in the Unpopular Opinions thread) but I would personally prefer a less-is-more approach. Snip <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> No offense but after being sold snake oil (DA:I), I want to know as much as I can before the buy decision.
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Post by goishen on Sept 23, 2016 23:30:22 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> No offense but after being sold snake oil (DA:I), I want to know as much as I can before the buy decision. No offense, but then wait until the game comes out and go to your favorite youtuber/critic site and then make an informed decision. On the patch this week they talked about how broken games were on PC upon release. Personally, I think they're a little late to the party, but I digress. I think that this is one thing that BioWare heard astoundingly clear. Make a good PC port. One that doesn't crash every two seconds. With Mantle, I would load into DA:I and it would literally take me like five minutes of looking at the loading screen. With DX 11, it took under thirty seconds. That's one reason why Mantle was scrapped for Vulkan. EDIT : Woops, wrong company.
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Post by PCthug on Sept 23, 2016 23:38:39 GMT
DAI marketing was a bowl of spaghetti. They would start things like companion profiles to be released every month. They would do it one or two times, then just stop. No word to anybody about anything. Then they did that with something else I can't remember, but same thing. Do it a couple times; drop it; never say a word to anybody about it again. Everybody's wondering what happened. Reveals coming out at various cosplay shows that had nothing to do with BW. The Twitch streams were pretty good. And, true, they showed some things that did not make it to final cut. Imo, that's okay and understandable. I just wish they had dropped a note in their blog, or something, letting people know some adjustments had to be made so those paths were no longer a part of the game. Even with the dropped companion marketing ideas--just talk to us. Say, hey, that was not working out/we changed our mind about the approach/something. Talk to us. Better to have that stuff out there sooner than later. edit: the DAI trailers were good, though. Loved them. They were done in-house, I believe? The one with the dragons battling..my favorite. Still. Wasn't there some developer diaries series that also got dropped after a single post? Also loved the trailers. But I had to laugh when one developer said something about not needing to do CGI trailers anymore because of the strength of Frostbite...and then they dropped this one. Thanks for posting those NeoGAF posts, Hrungr. I think EatChildren made some excellent points and I'm relieved Aaryn Flynn seems to realize that mistakes were made in the marketing of MEA. More than anything, I wish Bioware would have consistency in their marketing. There has be a middle ground between DA:I's "SHOW ALL THE THINGS" marketing and MEA's "The game's coming out in 7-8months. Here's some footage of a developer resizing a rock." Personally, I prefer the Apple/Bethesda approach of showing us the goods once they have everything locked down and as as close to "final release" as they can. That said, I'd love to see more novels, comics, hb books, spin-off games, etc. to help fill the time between releases... I wasn't clear in my post but I also prefer that approach. I just hope that if it's Bioware's intention to follow that model going forward with future games that they fully commit to it. The disparity between DA:I and MEA in regards to what they show pre-release and when they show it gave me the, I'm assuming, incorrect impression that something was wrong with MEA. And I hope they never show the first 20 mins of a game pre-release again.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 23, 2016 23:46:52 GMT
You mean bring his legs up? He doesn't go 'fetal' he just brings his legs up which is something people do often to get better clearance. As far as the landing, it's rather fast and, if you drop from 10 feet your gonna do roughly the same thing all be it you'll stay down longer. Snip <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Watch the video again. The animation is the same for every jump. Look starting At 0:55. Ryder jumps from a higher platform onto a lower one..same animation and leg tuck. The three point landing is "weird". It's as if he's punching / delivering a biotic ground slam. Don't get me wrong. The animations are way better. I just don't understand the reason for accepting a hard landing animation from 5+ feet in the air. I mean, another jet burst would soften it on the way down. It reminds me of DA:I bunny hopping. I'll give you a tit for a tat, that using the jets on even ground will generate the same three-point landing over and over...
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 23, 2016 23:48:32 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> No offense but after being sold snake oil (DA:I), I want to know as much as I can before the buy decision. No offense, but then wait until the game comes out and go to your favorite youtuber/critic site and then make an informed decision. Snip <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>> Exactly.
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Post by Adhin on Sept 24, 2016 0:44:06 GMT
Sartoz : I wasn't saying the animation was different per jump. I was saying the extent of the animation was based off the distance of the jump. Like the first one he does he barely braces for impact. Where as one of them is much longer and he gets s'more air time resulting in his arms moving out more and his legs going into full prep for impact mode. That's just common for any kinda animation like that though so nothing new. I agree the 'single arm down' on the landing is weird. Definitely felt like a ground punch (though I don't think hes actually punching but he might be). That's kinda what I meant by a super hero landing BS lol. Hopefully his hands actually spread out and not a fist. Either case I think the mid-air animation looks good and fits whats going on. Landing is a tad bit super-heroy which I'm ok with, but is definitely on the weird side due to that. edit: as far as the landing animation always being the same regardless of distance fallen? Sure yeah would be nice if it's a few feet he just lands instead of a hard landing. I 100% agree the animation should involve a little jetpack 'poof' for a soft landing regardless of distance (except maybe like 3 feet). 5 feet is still a long fall btw, you don't drop 5 feet and not bend the legs still lol. 2-3 feet alright, 5+ and your dealing with impact forces that just get exponentially worse as you get higher.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 24, 2016 1:06:47 GMT
This still really irks me. There is no good reason for them to not bring all along, so it is just them throwing away more of what made Mass Effect Mass Effect. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> What are we, now? Mother Teresa? Besides, you have to make room for the new aliens and Bio can't do that if everyone from the MW is brought along. Or, if it makes you happy, Bio can say they brought an ARK full of a, b, c and d species but the ARK never made it... I don't get the Mother Teresa part of your post. They absolutely can. Mass Effect 2 added new races without having to cut out any of the races from Mass Effect 1. Since we are only in a single star cluster, there would logically only be a couple or so new races. And even if they don't show up, have it mentioned as them tagging along since that way you can involve them later. Them not being on the Arks mean they would be gone forever, which is not a wise move in terms of writing since it restricts what you can do. No, them dying on the way would not make me happy. Why would you think it would?
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Post by goishen on Sept 24, 2016 1:23:54 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> What are we, now? Mother Teresa? Besides, you have to make room for the new aliens and Bio can't do that if everyone from the MW is brought along. Or, if it makes you happy, Bio can say they brought an ARK full of a, b, c and d species but the ARK never made it... I don't get the Mother Teresa part of your post. They absolutely can. Mass Effect 2 added new races without having to cut out any of the races from Mass Effect 1. Since we are only in a single star cluster, there would logically only be a couple or so new races. And even if they don't show up, have it mentioned as them tagging along since that way you can involve them later. Them not being on the Arks mean they would be gone forever, which is not a wise move in terms of writing since it restricts what you can do. No, them dying on the way would not make me happy. Why would you think it would? Mother Teresa, biblical, trying to save everyone by bringing them along, etc.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 24, 2016 1:27:25 GMT
I don't get the Mother Teresa part of your post. They absolutely can. Mass Effect 2 added new races without having to cut out any of the races from Mass Effect 1. Since we are only in a single star cluster, there would logically only be a couple or so new races. And even if they don't show up, have it mentioned as them tagging along since that way you can involve them later. Them not being on the Arks mean they would be gone forever, which is not a wise move in terms of writing since it restricts what you can do. No, them dying on the way would not make me happy. Why would you think it would? Mother Teresa, biblical, trying to save everyone by bringing them along, etc. As okay. I knew who she was, just wasn't sure what they were referring to. If this mission is a back-up plan against the Reapers, then I would certainly hope we are like her and try to save everyone we can, rather than doom entire species to possible extinction. If our mission is like the latter, we are some of the worst war criminals in our cycle's history.
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Post by lordtemplar on Sept 24, 2016 1:59:44 GMT
I don't get the Mother Teresa part of your post. They absolutely can. Mass Effect 2 added new races without having to cut out any of the races from Mass Effect 1. Since we are only in a single star cluster, there would logically only be a couple or so new races. And even if they don't show up, have it mentioned as them tagging along since that way you can involve them later. Them not being on the Arks mean they would be gone forever, which is not a wise move in terms of writing since it restricts what you can do. No, them dying on the way would not make me happy. Why would you think it would? Mother Teresa, biblical, trying to save everyone by bringing them along, etc. I hate to jump in the middle here but saint Teresa was definitely not in the Bible
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Post by goishen on Sept 24, 2016 2:05:33 GMT
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 24, 2016 2:06:41 GMT
Michael Gamble @gamblemike Lesson: If you're going to tell aarynflynn a joke in the stairwell- make damn sure it doesn't get you fired. Barrett Rodych ForgedPixels You should only get a rise out of him if the elevator's going up. Sky scrptrxwhaaaaat Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn It was a good joke! Timothy E. Miller @sicariothrax if you fired Mike.....I'm going to cry Michael Gamble @gamblemike Aaryn is benevolent. Worry not Aaryn Flynn aarynflynn Michael Gamble @gamblemike DOES THIS MEAN I GET TO BECOME THE DREAD PIRATE ROBERTS?
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Post by Adhin on Sept 24, 2016 2:38:04 GMT
Sartoz : So was watching some news video that showed a snippet from the video and I noticed the jump didn't have Ryder touch the ground. So I was like, wait a minute. Go back to the video every freakin' landing animation is different LOL. I'm pretty sure I didn't say they where originally, and assumed they weren't. First jump (23 seconds) he definitely touchs the ground for a frame or 2 looks a little weird with how quickly he stands back up from that like the game didn't treat it like a full hard landing (or maybe moving forward interrupted the animation). His left hand is the one touching the ground. The Second jump (28 seconds) his hands NEVER touch the ground and he has them kinda out at either side in a sorta 'balancing' his landing kinda thing. The Third Jump (51 seconds) it's his right hand this time that touchs the ground and it blends directly into continual movement so theres not 'fist to ground hard landing' thing it's more of a tap and push to keep moving. Fourth Jump is same as third animation wise. He just doesn't have as much of a jolt from it since he walks out of it instead of a semi-jerky quick step. So yeah, looks like they have (at least) 2 basic landing animations, one for shorter drops and one for longer drops (or faster drops) and they can invert those to give them variation probably based off what foot you lead with to make said jump.
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Fabrice Condominas @faburisu The work in progress Game Dev Encounter Table @tibermoon and I are building. You're welcome. Jason Barlow @jasontbarlow100 has got to be "Roll Twice" or "DM's Choice" Michael Gamble @gamblemike I want this more "accessible" and I want it now Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Please add to the list: The producer who asks "Can we make another preorder bonus?" Hey, some of those are good people! Big fan of butt jiggle animator, refined breasts artist and 100 beards sculptor, personally.
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Post by originofwaves on Sept 24, 2016 12:39:14 GMT
Probably the new IP, MEA isn't actually a secret anymore
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 24, 2016 13:02:40 GMT
Michael Gamble @gamblemike. @sherylchee is one of the many writers working very late tonight, bringing you stories you won't soon forget. Say thanks <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Hm... It's Sept 2016 and the Mass Effect Andromeda stories are not complete.... = VO actors are not done. I'll take a stab and say these are quests..... Here is to Sheryl Chee, a fountain of innovative stories (.... pssst: hope they pay you overtime).
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 24, 2016 13:16:55 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Fabrice Condominas @faburisu The work in progress Game Dev Encounter Table @tibermoon and I are building. You're welcome. Jason Barlow @jasontbarlow 100 has got to be "Roll Twice" or "DM's Choice"
Speculation The Encounter Table is in the Tempest Central Control Room where Strategic Decisions are made. 100 can be the number of planets / quests / battles or a combination. Or, it can be all BS to string us along. The question, though, is this work in progress what Bio calls "polishing"?
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Post by elitepinecone on Sept 24, 2016 13:42:22 GMT
Or, it can be all BS to string us along. It's literally a joke. He posted a joke on Twitter.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 24, 2016 14:20:11 GMT
Or, it can be all BS to string us along. It's literally a joke. He posted a joke on Twitter. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> OK, fair enough.
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Post by midnight tea on Sept 24, 2016 17:43:53 GMT
Michael Gamble @gamblemike. @sherylchee is one of the many writers working very late tonight, bringing you stories you won't soon forget. Say thanks <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> Hm... It's Sept 2016 and the Mass Effect Andromeda stories are not complete.... = VO actors are not done. I'll take a stab and say these are quests..... Here is to Sheryl Chee, a fountain of innovative stories (.... pssst: hope they pay you overtime). You realize that some writing is done after VO is completed? Like War table missions in DAI? Then there are codices, quest descriptions and anything that doesn't require a VO and so on... They could also be making edits to already voiced quest parts - deciding what gets to get cut (not all voiced dialogue is used in games after all) or making necessary edits after leads decide to cut or expand certain parts, so they need to readjust everything for it to make sense.
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Post by SofaJockey on Sept 24, 2016 18:01:05 GMT
This still really irks me. There is no good reason for them to not bring all along, so it is just them throwing away more of what made Mass Effect Mass Effect. <<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> What are we, now? Mother Teresa? Besides, you have to make room for the new aliens and Bio can't do that if everyone from the MW is brought along. Or, if it makes you happy, Bio can say they brought an ARK full of a, b, c and d species but the ARK never made it... This. Anyway, if it ever becomes an issue, those other Arks can turn up 'later...'
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Post by bshep on Sept 24, 2016 19:09:57 GMT
<<<<<<<<<<(0)>>>>>>>>>> What are we, now? Mother Teresa? Besides, you have to make room for the new aliens and Bio can't do that if everyone from the MW is brought along. Or, if it makes you happy, Bio can say they brought an ARK full of a, b, c and d species but the ARK never made it... This. Anyway, if it ever becomes an issue, those other Arks can turn up 'later...' I wouldn't be surprised if some DLC involved some of the other ark ships entering Andromeda.
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