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Post by Pearl on Mar 11, 2017 21:08:29 GMT
yep, people are already complaining... FBeaumont @fenbeaumont While I'm happy about that, I do not love that Sara is the "alternative" & Scott is the "default." FBeaumont @fenbeaumont It's 2017. Let's not do the whole "the guy is the protagonist but you can play a woman if you want" marketing thing. 😑 Bioware needs to learn how to deal with people like this. You never apologize or otherwise try to appease them. No matter what you do, it won't be good enough, and by bending over backwards for them, you put them in the driver's seat. This is yet another example of it.
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Post by vonuber on Mar 11, 2017 21:12:17 GMT
You never apologize or otherwise try to appease them. No matter what you do, it won't be good enough, and by bending over backwards for them, you put them in the driver's seat.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 21:18:45 GMT
yep, people are already complaining... FBeaumont @fenbeaumont While I'm happy about that, I do not love that Sara is the "alternative" & Scott is the "default." FBeaumont @fenbeaumont It's 2017. Let's not do the whole "the guy is the protagonist but you can play a woman if you want" marketing thing. 😑 Bioware needs to learn how to deal with people like this. You never apologize or otherwise try to appease them. No matter what you do, it won't be good enough, and by bending over backwards for them, you put them in the driver's seat. This is yet another example of it. I think Bioware is smart enough to not stereotype and know that everyone who wanted to see a Sara trailer wasn't acting like this. They aren't just trying to appease a bunch of rabid fans.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 11, 2017 21:21:09 GMT
I think Bioware is smart enough to not stereotype and know that everyone who wanted to see a Sara trailer wasn't acting like this. Are you implying that I don't know that? There's a reason I quoted the post I did.
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Post by armass81 on Mar 11, 2017 21:23:25 GMT
Nope, I'm just not overshooting with my hopes, and pointing out that there's going to be many animation issues like this one in the game is not the same as saying that I'm not looking forward to playing the game, which I am. I'll take your word for it, even if your posting history suggests otherwise. Hey you can still be a fan of the game without kissing Biowares ass 100% of the time or being a damn yes man. Criticism where its due hopefully makes them avoid their mistakes in the future and make their games better, thats what we all want, right? Its better for us and its better for them, everyone wins.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 21:24:24 GMT
I think Bioware is smart enough to not stereotype and know that everyone who wanted to see a Sara trailer wasn't acting like this. Are you implying that I don't know that? There's a reason I quoted the post I did. "Bioware needs to learn how to deal with people like this." What have they done to make you think they are trying to appease people like this exactly?
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Post by midnight tea on Mar 11, 2017 21:24:47 GMT
If I were to guess there's probably at least 10 other scenes we haven't seen with animation issues that are just as bad. Remember this is what they showed off. This must've been some of the most audience-friendly and most polished stuff they could showcase. yeah im betting this game will have issues,even with the first day patch. Hopefully it will not be that bad, or not the last patch to come. But from what ive seen they clearly ran out of time, again. Unbelievable. Also a question or message for the devs, if you can hire experts to do your Nomad driving and Design for you outside the studio, why didnt you hire some people who can do better facial animations too? What ive seen so far has been merely passable, but this is 2017. When your aliens start too look more alive than your humans, youve got a problem. ... Because facial animations are FAR harder to do than Nomad driving well? And I'm saying this from a perspective of a professional visual artist. Unfortunately, with faces we've reached the deep Uncanny Valley territory - we can make them look very realistic, but not exactly move them realistically without tremendous effort and expense. There are 43 muscles in face area alone - they are responsible for whole range of minuscule movements we are evolutionarily specialized to pick up on instantly. Even if some smaller parts of face don't move, when we expect them to, we can notice the difference - this is why even botoxed people oftentimes look unnatural for many (botox paralyzes and therefore limits range of movements across the face). This is also why even a perfectly animated (for currents standards) face of dead actor in Rogue One has garnered a few laughs. And before anyone else points to different games - big RPGs will naturally catch up later with smaller games, which don't have as much text, NPCs or interactions to animate and also don't have to save computing power and space for expansive worlds, missions or features. As for aliens "starting to look more alive"... well, of course. They're ALIENS. Their features and movements are ALIEN to us, therefore more acceptable - unlike movements on realistic human faces with which we're intimately familiar with.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 11, 2017 21:35:56 GMT
What have they done to make you think they are trying to appease people like this exactly? Perhaps saying "Bioware" was incorrect.
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Post by misoandricegamer on Mar 11, 2017 21:39:29 GMT
Well I can't wait! Counting down now and I'm actually glad I have to go to work to keep me occupied till release lol. How fucked up is that...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 21:41:03 GMT
What have they done to make you think they are trying to appease people like this exactly? Perhaps saying "Bioware" was incorrect. Well I guess we'll just have to disagree. You believe they are releasing the Sara trailer to appease angry fans. I believe that they are doing to appease all Sara fans, and aren't just pandering to the angry ones.
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Post by Pearl on Mar 11, 2017 21:46:25 GMT
You believe they are releasing the Sara trailer to appease angry fans. Can you show me where I said that? I believe they are releasing a trailer they had already planned to release, and are making the mistake of engaging with people who will never be satisfied with anything they do.
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Post by blanks on Mar 11, 2017 21:49:51 GMT
Have we reached the point of letting this Lady Ryder Trailer thing go at least until the trailer actually drops yet?
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 11, 2017 21:51:31 GMT
Hope they fix that scene where Peebee shoots a remnant observer with a gun backwards in her hands. Thats just embarrasing. If I were to guess there's probably at least 10 other scenes we haven't seen with animation issues that are just as bad. Remember this is what they showed off. This must've been some of the most audience-friendly and most polished stuff they could showcase. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Hmm.. Bio's polishing work is disturbing and they have been at it since what?... November 2016? Was it Gamble that said he was triaging the bugs?
My money says these scenes won't be fixed.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Mar 11, 2017 21:52:31 GMT
They have been "polishing" since E3 2016 which was in june.
It's a lie. They have been implementing and iterating.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 21:53:21 GMT
You believe they are releasing the Sara trailer to appease angry fans. Can you show me where I said that? I believe they are releasing a trailer they had already planned to release, and are making the mistake of engaging with people who will never be satisfied with anything they do. "Perhaps saying "Bioware" was incorrect" Well you already corrected it. If you actually just meant Aaryn shouldn't engage with these types of people then that's fine. It's the " Bioware" is just trying to appease rabid fans threw me off.
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Post by CHRrOME on Mar 11, 2017 22:05:19 GMT
If I were to guess there's probably at least 10 other scenes we haven't seen with animation issues that are just as bad. Remember this is what they showed off. This must've been some of the most audience-friendly and most polished stuff they could showcase. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Hmm.. Bio's polishing work is disturbing and they have been at it since what?... November 2016? Was it Gamble that said he was triaging the bugs?
My money says these scenes won't be fixed.
I think it will, if anything just because it was pointed out in front of hundreds of people on a livestream. Still, I'm confident there will be bugs that wont be fixed until pretty later on. In addition to bugs that may be introduced later, sometimes you fix something and another shit brakes (Bethesda for instance are masters at this).
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Post by TaliWhacker on Mar 11, 2017 22:10:26 GMT
Are you implying that I don't know that? There's a reason I quoted the post I did. "Bioware needs to learn how to deal with people like this." What have they done to make you think they are trying to appease people like this exactly? Weren't you saying a couple days ago that the harassers and complainers got their way over the Sara face controversy as a way of justifying the harassing about not revealing LGBT romances?
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Post by Dirk on Mar 11, 2017 22:12:09 GMT
ummm... any new tweets?
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Post by kastrenzo on Mar 11, 2017 22:15:35 GMT
Matt Ryan kastrenzo In Singleplayer, do enemy corpses stay there forever or until you loot them? what about after looting? Ian S. Frazier @ PAX @tibermoonCorpses go away after a while (performance reasons) but loot sticks around until you pick it up or leave. Huh.. I didn't get notification on my twitter that he responded. A little dissapointing, call it demented, but having a few big dead uglies laying around the field after a fight was satisfying in games like FO3.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 22:15:41 GMT
"Bioware needs to learn how to deal with people like this." What have they done to make you think they are trying to appease people like this exactly? Weren't you saying a couple days ago that the harassers and complainers got their way over the Sara face controversy as a way of justifying the harassing about not revealing LGBT romances? Sounds like you're misquoting me and trying to restart an argument from days ago. Honestly.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 11, 2017 22:17:41 GMT
Nope, they just asked again. He said they're totally baked in. Really? Worlds full of environmental hazards and we can't even make PeeBee to use a eva suit? That sucks big time. At least the others are using armor. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Pity about this. It makes no sense for PB to enter into environmental hazards with her default outfit. Bio put so much attention into graphic details and yet failed to provide for such an obvious requirement.
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Post by Sartoz on Mar 11, 2017 22:22:56 GMT
Minor gameplay spoiler...You can play actual poker games in MEA. ,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸-(_MEA_)-,.-~*´¨¯¨`*·~-.¸
Good. I can relax then and try to get rich. Maybe buy an upgrade or two.
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Post by bluuberg on Mar 11, 2017 22:23:49 GMT
A note on the PeeBee thing... The launch trailer did show this lovely purple armour... still wearing that breather mask, but still - armour!
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 11, 2017 22:25:34 GMT
A note on the PeeBee thing... The launch trailer did show this lovely purple armour... still wearing that breather mask, but still - armour! I don't think she's her, sadly. She doesn't have her paint and has markings on her forehead.
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Post by ssanyesz on Mar 11, 2017 22:25:58 GMT
A note on the PeeBee thing... The launch trailer did show this lovely purple armour... still wearing that breather mask, but still - armour! Is she even PB? She doesn't have facepaint.
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