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Post by goishen on Sept 26, 2016 21:43:11 GMT
Randomized alien life forms don't work well with a game like Mass Effect where there are codex entries for almost everything. Well, it's not as though you'd need codex entries for every random life form, but there's also no reason why simple codices (bio-scans) couldn't be auto-generated by their features. Yah, but those can be flaky and sometimes down right wrong. "This plant doesn't need water to survive. This plant requires water to mature naturally." Wait, what?
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Sept 26, 2016 22:10:00 GMT
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Post by bshep on Sept 26, 2016 22:10:31 GMT
That could make a lot of weird things Hrung just like that NMS video i posted earlier.
I prefer the lore to be consistent instead of random.
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Post by Fogg on Sept 26, 2016 22:18:51 GMT
Randomized alien life forms don't work well with a game like Mass Effect where there are codex entries for almost everything. Well, it's not as though you'd need codex entries for every random life form, but there's also no reason why simple codices (bio-scans) couldn't be auto-generated by their features. I've played NMS a bit and now I am convinced a smaller universe in which every detail is polished makes a nicer game than one filled with generated content
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 26, 2016 22:23:41 GMT
Jos @sjosz Today's one of those days where I get to find out just how many characters I put into my damn mission, because they all get to be snowflakes
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Sept 26, 2016 22:26:48 GMT
Jos @sjosz Today's one of those days where I get to find out just how many characters I put into my damn mission, because they all get to be snowflakes Does that mean you are the level designer that all the writers hate, because you make so much extra work for them?
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 26, 2016 22:27:02 GMT
Well, it's not as though you'd need codex entries for every random life form, but there's also no reason why simple codices (bio-scans) couldn't be auto-generated by their features. I've played NMS a bit and now I am convinced a smaller universe in which every detail is polished makes a nicer game than one filled with generated content Ah, but bear in mind NMS was made entirely by a tiny 4-12 dev studio, not one of BioWare's stature. I see potential there, if used in just the right areas...
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 26, 2016 22:30:12 GMT
Jos @sjosz Today's one of those days where I get to find out just how many characters I put into my damn mission, because they all get to be snowflakes Jos @sjosz Because of course all of those characters need faces. That'll be fun.
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Post by joshendriks on Sept 26, 2016 23:09:44 GMT
Jos @sjosz Today's one of those days where I get to find out just how many characters I put into my damn mission, because they all get to be snowflakes Does that mean you are the level designer that all the writers hate, because you make so much extra work for them? Oh gosh no, my writers are willing participants to this painf..delightful detail we're adding. I think.
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Post by joshendriks on Sept 26, 2016 23:26:53 GMT
Does that mean you are the level designer that all the writers hate, because you make so much extra work for them? Oh gosh no, my writers are willing participants to this painf..delightful detail we're adding. I think. I mean, let's face it, if the writers hate me, it won't be for the characters/missions. It'll be for the puns.
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Post by goishen on Sept 26, 2016 23:41:35 GMT
Maude Garrett in male form.
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Post by Hrungr on Sept 27, 2016 0:27:11 GMT
Billy Buskell @ehlien One of the funnest parts of #gamedev is when a team member has 1 of those mini epiphanies, gets super excited, & it spreads through the team
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Post by meplayer on Sept 27, 2016 0:32:36 GMT
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 27, 2016 1:05:36 GMT
That could make a lot of weird things Hrung just like that NMS video i posted earlier. I prefer the lore to be consistent instead of random.
Until you realize that the Lore was written by a 20W bulb as you now find yourself outsmarted and cornered. To escape you need to break something.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 27, 2016 1:11:34 GMT
Jos @sjosz Today's one of those days where I get to find out just how many characters I put into my damn mission, because they all get to be snowflakes Jos @sjosz Because of course all of those characters need faces. That'll be fun.
Snowflakes... hm... reminds me of canon fodder
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Post by Jaal Ama Darav (Kierro) on Sept 27, 2016 3:05:20 GMT
Here's another video. I like this one, because it goes well with Andromeda's "We are the aliens."
WHY THE F#&% do great people have to die?
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Post by Tosh on Sept 27, 2016 12:26:21 GMT
No thanks. I want Bioware to handmade each and every alien species... I wouldn't mind seeing a mix of both myself. Have all the important species and environments crafted by hand, but also have procedurally-generated wildlife, to help keep each playthrough fresh. You could also randomize (within an appropriate range) certain elements in the environments too - colour palette, quality of light, weather... You all need to understand what procedurally-generated actually is... It's not like the game engine creates those creatures from scratch every time. It has in its library some building stones (like Lego parts) with which it builds those creatures. Same goes for procedurally-generated dungeons, although it just works better on structures and generating maps than live creatures. A truely procedurally-generated computer creation might cause some creations that might seem totally randomized to us and may look more like Google's Deep Dream engine ( Link1, Link2) or like some sort of a fractal creation. I don't know, maybe this kind of craziness might be a more suitable for an entirely new galaxy than creating the OH-SO-USED two legged two armed creatures (Just like in the different Star Trek series all the aliens look alike just with different faces design). I would really like to see something completely alien...
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Post by elitepinecone on Sept 27, 2016 13:31:38 GMT
The reddit thread it comes from is four months old, and it's shinobi. Take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 27, 2016 13:54:06 GMT
The reddit thread it comes from is four months old, and it's shinobi. Take it with a grain of salt.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 27, 2016 13:55:01 GMT
The reddit thread it comes from is four months old, and it's shinobi. Take it with a grain of salt.
Good to know I thought it was kind of meh.
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Post by Sartoz on Sept 27, 2016 14:09:16 GMT
Snip I would really like to see something completely alien...
And how do we meaningfully interact with a truly alien life form? For all we know, an ant-like or slug-like species communicate with each other via pheromones and smell. How many points of commonality will there be? I understand that dolphins are intelligent mammals, yet how deep a conversation have we ever made? Take a methane breather that lives in a heavy gravity world like Jupiter. An alien alien, if there ever is one. How do we interact in the game? What common concepts do you believe we have? Do you think we can visit them, have lunch and then go for a stroll?
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Post by Tosh on Sept 27, 2016 14:15:26 GMT
Snip I would really like to see something completely alien...
And how do we meaningfully interact with a truly alien life form? For all we know, an ant-like or slug-like species communicate with each other via pheromones and smell. How many points of commonality will there be? I understand that dolphins are intelligent mammals, yet how deep a conversation have we ever made? Take a methane breather that lives in a heavy gravity world like Jupiter. An alien alien, if there ever is one. How do we interact in the game? What common concepts do you believe we have? Do you think we can visit them, have lunch and then go for a stroll?
Exactly! Yes, I want to see some veriation. Maybe even some species that we cannot communicate with. Maybe some that at first seems so weird, but then you find out that they are so advanced that they have invented a translator to understand you... Not saying that every species needs to be extremely alien, but common... let's have some variation... I'll settle for an NPC that has 8 legs and walks around like a spider and not another human looking one with 2 feet and 2 hands. Let's have them with 3 upper appendages or something like that...
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Post by patriciachr34 on Sept 27, 2016 17:16:20 GMT
And how do we meaningfully interact with a truly alien life form? For all we know, an ant-like or slug-like species communicate with each other via pheromones and smell. How many points of commonality will there be? I understand that dolphins are intelligent mammals, yet how deep a conversation have we ever made? Take a methane breather that lives in a heavy gravity world like Jupiter. An alien alien, if there ever is one. How do we interact in the game? What common concepts do you believe we have? Do you think we can visit them, have lunch and then go for a stroll?
Exactly! Yes, I want to see some veriation. Maybe even some species that we cannot communicate with. Maybe some that at first seems so weird, but then you find out that they are so advanced that they have invented a translator to understand you... Not saying that every species needs to be extremely alien, but common... let's have some variation... I'll settle for an NPC that has 8 legs and walks around like a spider and not another human looking one with 2 feet and 2 hands. Let's have them with 3 upper appendages or something like that... (cough, cough) ....brood mother finally romance-able... (cough, cough)
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