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Post by Ajna on Mar 20, 2017 11:40:02 GMT
Ouch... this makes me sad. Is Andromeda moddable? we can fix most things but not the writing unfortunately. It should be, I don't see why not, the modding community developed their own tools for modding DA:I, so cross fingers I guess.
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Post by dazzarlok on Mar 20, 2017 11:44:47 GMT
Take reviews with a grain of salt. I'm not saying dismiss them -- but don't take them to heart. Unpack what they're saying, listen to their reasoning. We're past the age when it's just an arbitrary number based on how many reviewers the devs have seduced. There is logic and there is a thought process going on behind it. The number is less important than why it was received. ie, if someone deducted 2 points because of animations but animations really don't factor into your judgment, then that's fine. Or if someone dislikes the writing because it's too quip-y or millennial but you like quip-y and millennial that's fine too. I couldn't agree more. Very well said.
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Post by glitch89 on Mar 20, 2017 11:53:04 GMT
The reviews sound worrisome, but I still need to judge for myself. 3 hours and 7 minutes to go.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 20, 2017 12:00:33 GMT
Reviews seem mixed, which is honestly what I was expecting. Still, I'll see for myself. I'm expecting a competently written story and characters, not ones that will blow me away.
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Post by eoinnx02 on Mar 20, 2017 12:05:51 GMT
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Post by The Arbiter on Mar 20, 2017 12:07:39 GMT
Reviews seem mixed, which is honestly what I was expecting. Still, I'll see for myself. I'm expecting a competently written story and characters, not ones that will blow me away. I somehow wish Tali'zorah was here to hug me and fix the reviews :c this is sad for me really... ME has always been great. my god wtf happened... I hate seeing great games like this fall... reminds me about the RedAlert and Command and Conquer series all over again wtf.
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Post by pdusen on Mar 20, 2017 12:42:01 GMT
Reviews seem mixed, which is honestly what I was expecting. Still, I'll see for myself. I'm expecting a competently written story and characters, not ones that will blow me away. I somehow wish Tali'zorah was here to hug me and fix the reviews :c this is sad for me really... ME has always been great. my god wtf happened... I hate seeing great games like this fall... reminds me about the RedAlert and Command and Conquer series all over again wtf. Holy hell, chill out. If people who buy the game enjoy it, the game isn't a failure, regardless of the opinions of critics.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 20, 2017 12:42:18 GMT
Reviews seem mixed, which is honestly what I was expecting. Still, I'll see for myself. I'm expecting a competently written story and characters, not ones that will blow me away. I somehow wish Tali'zorah was here to hug me and fix the reviews :c this is sad for me really... ME has always been great. my god wtf happened... I hate seeing great games like this fall... reminds me about the RedAlert and Command and Conquer series all over again wtf. Honestly? The writing quality of ME has never been amazing, tending to emphasize "cool" and emotional moments over anything else. It was the well put together setting that tended to save it, but they abandoned the previous setting because of the corner ME3 put them in. So I am totally unsurprised. I still don't think it's going to be a failure.
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Post by kirasdream on Mar 20, 2017 13:25:01 GMT
Ouch... this makes me sad. Is Andromeda moddable? we can fix most things but not the writing unfortunately. That's the thing. Other reviews praised the writing (or at least thought it was in line with the standard ME game). Depends on the person writing the review, and from the trial the dialogue didn't seem bad or anything. (Also, the MEHEM and ThaneMod for ME3 say "Hi.")
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Post by Talon on Mar 20, 2017 13:37:35 GMT
Gamespot gave ME:A a 6 I think we can see part of the problem right here. "As a Mass Effect game, Andromeda falls well short of the nuanced politics, morality, and storytelling of its predecessors." Is Andromeda being judged unfairly against a rose-tinted memory of the OT? I worship the ground ME1-3 walk on, but, my God, they weren't perfect. There were clipping and animation problems, story continuity issues like suddenly dropping the dark energy plotline between 2 and 3, to say nothing of the ending of ME3. And yet, they all got rave reviews. DA2 got the same sort of abuse for not being exactly like DAO, though it was a good (if rushed out) game in its own right, and I liked it. The ten hours I played of MEA were enjoyable, so I think I'll make up my own mind on this, too.
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Post by goishen on Mar 20, 2017 13:49:39 GMT
Shew. Good grief. Welp, I'm happy and sad.
Sad because I wanted a new ME game. Not a stinking pile of garbage that they're trying to sell us. Happy because maybe this will teach them to stop making open world games with fetch quests and writing so thin as to be sheer.
They tried to make DAI again. That won't work. Focus on the story.
EDIT : I mean, I'll give them that they were working out the kinks to a new engine in DAI. Sure. But this? No, not when they slapped an entirely different coat of paint on it and called it ME. That's the reason why I think DAI got such high reviews. That and being released in a time when not much else was being released.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 20, 2017 13:53:13 GMT
If anything, the most concerning thing I've read about MEA so far was that they don't seem to have learned their lesson from Inquisition. The Forbes review I read said Bioware still seems to be laboring under the impression that a fetch quest isn't a fetch quest if you give it ten lines of dialogue justifying it, which is how they pad most of their open world areas.
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 13:54:13 GMT
Shew. Good grief. Welp, I'm happy and sad. Sad because I wanted a new ME game. Not a stinking pile of garbage that they're trying to sell us. Happy because maybe this will teach them to stop making open world games with fetch quests and writing so thin as to be sheer. They tried to make DAI again. That won't work. Focus on the story. EDIT : I mean, I'll give them that they were working out the kinks to a new engine in DAI. Sure. But this? No, not when they slapped an entirely different coat of paint on it and called it ME. That's the reason why I think DAI got such high reviews. That and being released in a time when not much else was being released. Not delaying the game with Zelda and Horizon close was definitely a bad move. I do agree though on taking a step back on open world, since they don't seem to have the resources to deal with it.
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 20, 2017 13:59:37 GMT
I can't wait to hear what the devs tweet this morning... they promised the game would get better and it clearly doesn't. I never thought I would live in a world where a Bioware game was criticized for bad writing, cringeworthy dialogue, lack of meaningful choices, and bland cast of companions.... facial animation glitches seem like the least of their problems now. :'(
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 20, 2017 14:01:03 GMT
Shew. Good grief. Welp, I'm happy and sad. Sad because I wanted a new ME game. Not a stinking pile of garbage that they're trying to sell us. Happy because maybe this will teach them to stop making open world games with fetch quests and writing so thin as to be sheer. They tried to make DAI again. That won't work. Focus on the story. EDIT : I mean, I'll give them that they were working out the kinks to a new engine in DAI. Sure. But this? No, not when they slapped an entirely different coat of paint on it and called it ME. That's the reason why I think DAI got such high reviews. That and being released in a time when not much else was being released. Not delaying the game with Zelda and Horizon close was definitely a bad move. I do agree though on taking a step back on open world, since they don't seem to have the resources to deal with it. My hope is that the Dragon Age team has learned this a bit, since they did a pretty good job in Trespasser with a more linear story and making a larger area work in Jaws of Haakon, so hopefully they'll find a better balance going forward.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 20, 2017 14:05:52 GMT
I can't wait to hear what the devs tweet this morning... they promised the game would get better and it clearly doesn't. I never thought I would live in a world where a Bioware game was criticized for bad writing, cringeworthy dialogue, lack of meaningful choices, and bland cast of companions.... facial animation glitches seem like the least of their problems now. :'( To be frank, I've seen most of those criticisms leveled at every Bioware game since the original ME, then the moment a new game comes out all is forgiven the old game joins the Bioware nostalgia vault on its pedestal. I guess my point being, Bioware games never seem to be as good or as bad as some people think they are.
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 20, 2017 14:06:30 GMT
LOL! That's their first tweet of the day? How sad. I bet it's an inside joke: a bunch of Bioware devs are feeling distraught and dejected at how poorly received the game is and realize they actually are going to have to do extra work to patch it and make it halfway decent. A lot of them probably just want to call in sick.
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Post by malakizedek on Mar 20, 2017 14:08:42 GMT
I can't wait to hear what the devs tweet this morning... they promised the game would get better and it clearly doesn't. I never thought I would live in a world where a Bioware game was criticized for bad writing, cringeworthy dialogue, lack of meaningful choices, and bland cast of companions.... facial animation glitches seem like the least of their problems now. :'( To be frank, I've seen most of those criticisms leveled at every Bioware game since the original ME, then the moment a new game comes out all is forgiven the old game joins the Bioware nostalgia vault on its pedestal. I guess my point being, Bioware games never seem to be as good or as bad as some people think they are. Um just because you've "heard those criticisms" doesn't mean they were repeated by the consensus of reviewers - I, for one, can't remember any ME or DA game that got dinged in an official review of bad writing or bland cast of companions. ME3 was rightfully criticized for having a lack of meaningful choices at the end, but it didn't have "cringeworthy dialogue"
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 14:09:38 GMT
The Bioware and mass effect twitter aren't lead by developers. They don't even know the people that worked on the game.
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Post by Hrungr on Mar 20, 2017 14:11:45 GMT
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Post by The Elder King on Mar 20, 2017 14:12:10 GMT
To be frank, I've seen most of those criticisms leveled at every Bioware game since the original ME, then the moment a new game comes out all is forgiven the old game joins the Bioware nostalgia vault on its pedestal. I guess my point being, Bioware games never seem to be as good or as bad as some people think they are. Um just because you've "heard those criticisms" doesn't mean they were repeated by the consensus of reviewers - I, for one, can't remember any ME or DA game that got dinged in an official review of bad writing or bland cast of companions. ME3 was rightfully criticized for having a lack of meaningful choices at the end, but it didn't have "cringeworthy dialogue" 'we fight or we die' it's pretty cringeworthy, and that's just the prologue. You're right that in reviews they weren't that criticized for (character) writing, but even in the case the OT And DA games had better writing, it was still exaggerated in positive at the time. They wouldn't gather as much positive opinions as they did back then. Not to mention that in terms of users DA2 and DAI's cast were heavily criticized.
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Post by Heimdall on Mar 20, 2017 14:14:25 GMT
To be frank, I've seen most of those criticisms leveled at every Bioware game since the original ME, then the moment a new game comes out all is forgiven the old game joins the Bioware nostalgia vault on its pedestal. I guess my point being, Bioware games never seem to be as good or as bad as some people think they are. Um just because you've "heard those criticisms" doesn't mean they were repeated by the consensus of reviewers - I, for one, can't remember any ME or DA game that got dinged in an official review of bad writing or bland cast of companions. ME3 was rightfully criticized for having a lack of meaningful choices at the end, but it didn't have "cringeworthy dialogue" I saw both ME3 and ME2 get dinged for bad writing and unsatisfactory squad mates in official reviews, not to mention the sh*t both DA2 and DAI got for their main stories and, in some cases, companions. I don't know what the "consensus of reviewers" was saying, but these were not one off criticisms, they were frequently repeated. By the same token, these criticisms on MEA aren't universal. Some of them actually liked the companions and thought the overall story was servicible if not amazing.
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Post by dalinne on Mar 20, 2017 14:28:15 GMT
I can't wait to hear what the devs tweet this morning... they promised the game would get better and it clearly doesn't. I never thought I would live in a world where a Bioware game was criticized for bad writing, cringeworthy dialogue, lack of meaningful choices, and bland cast of companions.... facial animation glitches seem like the least of their problems now. :'( To be frank, I've seen most of those criticisms leveled at every Bioware game since the original ME, then the moment a new game comes out all is forgiven the old game joins the Bioware nostalgia vault on its pedestal. I guess my point being, Bioware games never seem to be as good or as bad as some people think they are. It's Doctor Who Effect. New is awful!! The previous one was SO GOOD... I don't understand was he was so underrated, the NEW ONE IS WORSE!! Also, I predicted the DAI will be better considered after MEA. Because DAI is better than MEA? Not necessarily. It happened before. DAII started to be praised after DAI, the same way ME3 consensus was "the ending was bad but the rest was great" after DAI fetch quests and so. MEA will be better considered after the new IP is released. Or DA4.
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Post by dalinne on Mar 20, 2017 14:30:33 GMT
At the end only time will tell if it's a memorable game or if it deserves to fall into oblivion. I only understood MET was the best thing ever for me after the 5th time I replayed it. That was the moment it strook me hard realizing what it meant to me
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