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Post by Croatsky on Jul 29, 2017 22:23:45 GMT
All these people leaving BioWare at once...I know it takes more then one person to make dlc/games. However, it doesn't make me feel good about the state of dlc. Just because many left BioWare it doesn't mean they were not replaced by someone else. General rule of thumb we only know when high profile position get's replaced, like with Aaryn Flynn getting replaced with Casey Hudson as General Manager of BioWare, or when someone high profile replaces a person that is leaving.
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Post by BioFan on Jul 29, 2017 22:44:02 GMT
I think it may just be a timing thing since MEA wrapped up. Which most of them were on for 3-5 years.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 29, 2017 23:17:19 GMT
All these people leaving BioWare at once...I know it takes more then one person to make dlc/games. However, it doesn't make me feel good about the state of dlc. has any of these people been important high profile members of MEAs single player development team?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 29, 2017 23:35:39 GMT
All these people leaving BioWare at once...I know it takes more then one person to make dlc/games. However, it doesn't make me feel good about the state of dlc. has any of these people been important high profile members of MEAs single player development team? Other then Aaryn Flynn (GM) and Billy Buskel (MEAMP producer) sorry if I butchered there names. Those two are the only ones that I know. There names don't seem to get mentioned in the Twitter thread.
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Post by Pearl on Jul 30, 2017 3:07:20 GMT
Anyone try to ask them about the DLC now if they aren't in EA/BW now? what part of "non-disclosure agreement" do people not understand if they even say one word about it, they'll have EA lawyers kicking down their door so fast that their heads will spin
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 30, 2017 9:46:29 GMT
Since when stating if a DLC exists or not is a trade secret if you no longer work for the company lol. Just ask them, they will decide for themselves if to answer it.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 30, 2017 10:26:28 GMT
Since when stating if a DLC exists or not is a trade secret if you no longer work for the company lol. Just ask them, they will decide for themselves if to answer it. ... NDA is still in an effect even after leaving the company. That thing is also there to prevent corporate espionage and trading secrets to different companies. It's like you have no idea about what you're talking about.
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Post by UutIVvdPw7END0Ef on Jul 30, 2017 11:11:25 GMT
Why is stating the existence of a DLC is a trade secret tho?, enlighten me guru of laws and master of financing. NDA doesn't apply to us from asking questions, wasn't aware ProBoards moved their servers to North Korea. Or you just gonna justify EA/BW being almost as silent as a dead person on anything ME, at this point we know more about upcoming EA games than MEA DLC.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 30, 2017 11:25:47 GMT
You're being utterly ridiculous.
Whatever or not DLC is being made is a business strategy that EA and BioWare do not want to reveal yet. So it is a trade secret, so anyone leaving company is still not allowed to talk about it UNTIL EA and BioWare give all clear to be said.
Also yes, we are allowed to ask the question. But it is pointless to ask when both current and former BioWare employees are not allowed to talk about it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 30, 2017 11:29:57 GMT
Why is stating the existence of a DLC is a trade secret tho?, enlighten me guru of laws and master of financing. NDA doesn't apply to us from asking questions, wasn't aware ProBoards moved their servers to North Korea. Or you just gonna justify EA/BW being almost as silent as a dead person on anything ME, at this point we know more about upcoming EA games than MEA DLC. Nothing at all to stop us asking questions. Though as we know that no answer will be forthcoming, from existing or past employees, such inquiry may be rather fruitless, if not annoying. As I understand it, a key issue for EA relates to revenue recognition for accounting purposes, and future dated DLC would constitute revenue not yet recovered that would need to be accounted for (with possible tax and investor accounting implications), though I'm no accountant.
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Post by Hrungr on Jul 30, 2017 14:58:31 GMT
Alec @atown625 any news on the next patch? or if anything new is coming??
Ian S. Frazier @tibermoon Not much I'm allowed to say, but I can at least share this: my favorite MP kits haven't been released yet. And one of them is coming #soon.
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Post by OrbitalWings on Jul 30, 2017 15:20:01 GMT
Makes sense MP is the only thing they can hint at - they as good as confirmed more MP kits were already on the way during the last MP livestream, so confirming they exist isn't revealing anything new.
Didn't the remaining MP kits from the last update get datamined? Another batarian and two humans?
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Post by deadgoon on Jul 30, 2017 15:20:30 GMT
Since when stating if a DLC exists or not is a trade secret if you no longer work for the company lol. Just ask them, they will decide for themselves if to answer it. The employees will have signed legally binding NDA's as part of their contracts, they will still be bound by that NDA even if they leave BW because that is the way the industry works, if they then go and break that NDA they will be wide open to an absolute shit storm of litigation as well as flushing their careers down the toilet, as no studio will employ a dev who breaks an NDA.
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Post by mfr001 on Jul 30, 2017 15:23:11 GMT
Why is stating the existence of a DLC is a trade secret tho?, enlighten me guru of laws and master of financing. NDA doesn't apply to us from asking questions, wasn't aware ProBoards moved their servers to North Korea. Or you just gonna justify EA/BW being almost as silent as a dead person on anything ME, at this point we know more about upcoming EA games than MEA DLC. Consider the following scenario: EA announce a new product. Share prices rise. EA do not deliver said product. Under US law they are, as I understand it, guilty of an offence by trying to manipulate the market value of their shares. (The precise description of the offence in law may not be this exactly, but that is the general idea. Anyone with insider knowledge could make a profit by buying shares before the announcement, selling them before the project is cancelled, taking the money and running.) Hence NDAs, rigorously enforced. In his most recent twitch stream Billy Buskell said this more succinctly.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 30, 2017 15:29:44 GMT
Makes sense MP is the only thing they can hint at - they as good as confirmed more MP kits were already on the way during the last MP livestream, so confirming they exist isn't revealing anything new. Didn't the remaining MP kits from the last update get datamined? Another batarian and two humans? Why would they add more human kits? There's already plenty to choose from. Do you have a link to this?
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Post by OrbitalWings on Jul 30, 2017 15:32:02 GMT
Makes sense MP is the only thing they can hint at - they as good as confirmed more MP kits were already on the way during the last MP livestream, so confirming they exist isn't revealing anything new. Didn't the remaining MP kits from the last update get datamined? Another batarian and two humans? Why would they add more human kits? There's already plenty to choose from. Do you have a link to this? HereTurns out it was another batarian and four humans - 2 female, 2 male
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 30, 2017 15:56:05 GMT
Another word on NDAs... they tend to be signed for extensive periods of time. I remember one ME3MP dev I'm friends with said his NDA covered up to 5 years after game release, even, so he couldn't say a word about anything regarding that game until it was basically obsolete (i.e. there is no new content coming for ME3 now anyway with MEA out, so there's nothing left to "break" for that NDA). And that was still in effect for him even after his contract period with BioWare expired and he left the company (and gaming industry altogether).
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 30, 2017 16:28:55 GMT
Another word on NDAs... they tend to be signed for extensive periods of time. I remember one ME3MP dev I'm friends with said his NDA covered up to 5 years after game release, even, so he couldn't say a word about anything regarding that game until it was basically obsolete (i.e. there is no new content coming for ME3 now anyway with MEA out, so there's nothing left to "break" for that NDA). And that was still in effect for him even after his contract period with BioWare expired and he left the company (and gaming industry altogether). Five years?! EA knows there just making Video Games, right? You know, stuff that brings enjoyment to millions of people around the world? Its like there trying to hide government secrets or something. I can understand a year of NDA, because that's how long support for the game was (and in general) after launch, but five? What could be so valuable that they would wanna keep under wrap five years removed from the game? Especially from ME3MP dev? Who would only know mp things, which isn't as valuable as say sp content.
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Post by OrbitalWings on Jul 30, 2017 16:46:18 GMT
I'd assume they're just covering themselves for every possible eventuality - the game (or it's MP mode) still making them enough money to continue way beyond the game's expected lifespan, a sequel being rushed into development that'll use many of the same concepts, systems and potentially ideas that were never realised for the previous game, or simply protecting the brand against insider knowledge of it being used to create a rival game?
ME3 may have 'ended' in 2013 when the Citadel DLC released, but in the meantime there's been a pretty steady stream of merch and such - they don't want the value of that stuff (or the company's shares) being affected by any insider info coming to light, regardless of how benign it might seem. At the end of the day, such a long NDA doesn't hurt them in the slightest and protects them from pretty much everything, even outlandish improbable scenarios.
They're just video games to us, but to EA it's business and their very livelihoods, and you can't really blame them for wanting to protect their assets and IPs, both those that are released to the public and those that are known to only the devs.
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 30, 2017 17:54:50 GMT
Another word on NDAs... they tend to be signed for extensive periods of time. I remember one ME3MP dev I'm friends with said his NDA covered up to 5 years after game release, even, so he couldn't say a word about anything regarding that game until it was basically obsolete (i.e. there is no new content coming for ME3 now anyway with MEA out, so there's nothing left to "break" for that NDA). And that was still in effect for him even after his contract period with BioWare expired and he left the company (and gaming industry altogether). Five years?! EA knows there just making Video Games, right? You know, stuff that brings enjoyment to millions of people around the world? Its like there trying to hide government secrets or something. I can understand a year of NDA, because that's how long support for the game was (and in general) after launch, but five? What could be so valuable that they would wanna keep under wrap five years removed from the game? Especially from ME3MP dev? Who would only know mp things, which isn't as valuable as say sp content. For pretty much the reasons OrbitalWings states above me. Vidya gims is srs business to those making a kajillion dollars off them. Plus, pretty sure the NDA for a project is boilerplate - not like MP devs get a different one from SP devs. Plus, even if you're an MP dev, chances are you and everyone else was involved in the final testing crunch before going gold and touch pieces of the game that weren't under your "jurisdiction", so to speak. We're talking even the writers get into testing, and people tend to imagine them as not doing anything more than writing words. With NDAs, it's pretty much just "you can't say anything about this that isn't already public knowledge for five years after release or we will sue you into financial ruin and you'll never work in this town again" kind of a thing. So, yeah, pretty much when devs say NDA, they're really not trying to be unreasonable dicks. They're just trying not to harm themselves or their families by letting something slip. Nature of the beast. *shrugs*
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Post by OrbitalWings on Jul 30, 2017 18:14:08 GMT
I do wonder whether the rise and apparent fall of the Season Pass model is why we haven't seen NDAs talked about as much for a while.
Like, when a game releases with a Season Pass detailing various additional content you'll recieve further down the line, that content is announced right off the bat and we know it's definitely coming and the devs can at least somewhat talk about it, because it's all factored into the game's current and projected earnings.
But with no future content announced for MEA, they can't just casually talk about it until said announcement is formally made one way or the other. Hell, I bet Mike Laidlaw's comment about not being done with DAI DLC was made when it was clear internally that Trespasser would definitely release and there was no chance his tease would come back to bite them.
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 30, 2017 18:17:15 GMT
Oh, right, and the NDAs tend to cover ANY work the developer is doing, by the way. So, not just specific to the project itself (although timeframe might be, as in 5 years per specific game; I haven't actually READ their NDAs myself). Because that same ME3MP dev friend (who also went on the be a DAIMP dev on a second contract, before that one expired and he left the industry), when I was having dinner with him and his family, I brought up speculation on the new IP (which we knew nothing about at the time other than it existed) and even though that was not a project he was on... he couldn't talk about it, even the little bit of info he had by virtue of speaking with fellow dev friends who were on the project and/or internal emails/memos BioWare may have sent out keeping their employees up-to-date on stuff.
So, a current or former BioWare dev pretty much can't reveal anything about what BioWare is working on, regardless of if they were on that specific team/project or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2017 18:29:44 GMT
Another word on NDAs... they tend to be signed for extensive periods of time. I remember one ME3MP dev I'm friends with said his NDA covered up to 5 years after game release, even, so he couldn't say a word about anything regarding that game until it was basically obsolete (i.e. there is no new content coming for ME3 now anyway with MEA out, so there's nothing left to "break" for that NDA). And that was still in effect for him even after his contract period with BioWare expired and he left the company (and gaming industry altogether). This is very a understandable and reasonable explanation, thank you . But judging by the reaction and previous posts by some people, I don ´ t think they will take this explanation and let it go. Which is very sad indeed.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Jul 30, 2017 23:33:24 GMT
Another word on NDAs... they tend to be signed for extensive periods of time. I remember one ME3MP dev I'm friends with said his NDA covered up to 5 years after game release, even, so he couldn't say a word about anything regarding that game until it was basically obsolete (i.e. there is no new content coming for ME3 now anyway with MEA out, so there's nothing left to "break" for that NDA). And that was still in effect for him even after his contract period with BioWare expired and he left the company (and gaming industry altogether). This is very a understandable and reasonable explanation, thank you . But judging by the reaction and previous posts by some people, I don ´ t think they will take this explanation and let it go. Which is very sad indeed. Well, here's the thing: anyone who's taking their frustration on the devs clearly is clueless, true. Doesn't mean that the way EA decided to approach things is not a stupid one, cause it is. Announce whatever is to be annonuced or, if there's nothing, clear the devs to say so.
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