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Post by alanc9 on Aug 16, 2017 6:25:09 GMT
My last run I didn't get to the bigger questions. Ryder's there as security for Sloane, right? Letting her get shot in the back like that would be just plain dishonorable.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 7:08:14 GMT
Sloane signed her death certificate the moment she told me that I would have to pay her extortion fee to set up a colony there and that she would never forget the grudge she had with the Initiative. Reyes on the other hand seems to have a pragmatic approach by judging his words and while I hold no illusion on him and that he has a secret agenda I'm not going to make this decision based on his secret intentions as I hold no solid proof of that. Decisions must be made on facts.
For the time being Reyes allows me to have a colony without having to pay any extortion and the support from Kadara Port to get the colony operational. Removing Sloane also will help mending the division with the outcasts which one way or the other to survive will need to return to the Initiative good grace.
I'm sure the future will hold surprises as Reyes will one day present the inevitable bill for his "generosity" but that is a future problem for a hopefully much stronger Initiative.
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Post by Guts on Aug 16, 2017 7:12:18 GMT
Sloane signed her death certificate the moment she told me that I would have to pay her extortion fee to set up a colony there and that she would never forget the grudge she had with the Initiative. Reyes on the other hand seems to have a pragmatic approach by judging his words and while I hold no illusion on him and that he has a secret agenda I'm not going to make this decision based on his secret intentions as I hold no proof of that. For the time being Reyes allows me to have a colony without having to pay any extortion and the support from Kadara Port to get the colony operational. Removing Sloane also will help mending the division with the outcasts which one way or the other to survive will need to return to the Initiative good grace. I'm sure the future will hold surprises as Reyes will one day present the inevitable bill for his "generosity" but that is a future problem for a hopefully much stronger Initiative. True, I felt Sloane was an ass, but she was at least an honest ass. I kinda want to see what happens with Reyes, unlike Sloane, he's much more easy-going, but he's very manipulative. If we do get future installments, why do I get the feeling he'll betray us?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 7:21:00 GMT
Sloane signed her death certificate the moment she told me that I would have to pay her extortion fee to set up a colony there and that she would never forget the grudge she had with the Initiative. Reyes on the other hand seems to have a pragmatic approach by judging his words and while I hold no illusion on him and that he has a secret agenda I'm not going to make this decision based on his secret intentions as I hold no proof of that. For the time being Reyes allows me to have a colony without having to pay any extortion and the support from Kadara Port to get the colony operational. Removing Sloane also will help mending the division with the outcasts which one way or the other to survive will need to return to the Initiative good grace. I'm sure the future will hold surprises as Reyes will one day present the inevitable bill for his "generosity" but that is a future problem for a hopefully much stronger Initiative. True, I felt Sloane was an ass, but she was at least an honest ass. I kinda want to see what happens with Reyes, unlike Sloane, he's much more easy-going, but he's very manipulative. If we do get future installments, why do I get the feeling he'll betray us? You know if something is too good chance is that it is not good at all. I'm not sure about betrayal but he certainly will want his own interests respected by the Initiative. We will have to judge when the times come if the price for his "service" to the Initiative is worthwhile for us or not. I hope that the Initiative strategists accounted for this very likely eventuality and prepare accordingly. In the end I would still pick Reyes because with Sloane we are stuck to her old resentment to us and her amatuerish thuggery which is counterproductive to Kadara's development. Reyes for the time being offer the best chance to build a proper colony and improve Kadara living conditions. Nothing is free in diplomacy but postponing your payment gives you the chance to better prepare to it.
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Post by Guts on Aug 16, 2017 7:23:34 GMT
True, I felt Sloane was an ass, but she was at least an honest ass. I kinda want to see what happens with Reyes, unlike Sloane, he's much more easy-going, but he's very manipulative. If we do get future installments, why do I get the feeling he'll betray us? You know if something is too good chance is that it is not good at all. I'm not sure about betrayal but he certainly will want his own interests respected by the Initiative. We will have to judge when the times come if the price for his "service" to the Initiative is worthwhile for us or not. I hope that the Initiative strategists accounted for this very likely eventuality and prepare accordingly. In the end I would still pick Reyes because with Sloane we are stuck to her old resentment to us and her amatuerish thuggery which is counterproductive to Kadara's development. Reyes for the time being offer the best chance to build a proper colony and improve Kadara living conditions. It'd make for some interesting story telling though. Maybe it ends up being like the friendship between Guts and Griffith in Berserk. (I DO NOT want to spoil how that goes)
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Post by haolyn on Aug 16, 2017 7:47:58 GMT
I don't get the love for Reyes, like, at all. What's it about him people like? Cause I can't stand him. the fact that you can't really tell whether he's telling the truth in liking you/working with you is part of the appeal for me. i like moral ambiguity and find it makes for a more interesting, nuanced character than straightforwardness. the fact that he incites such strong opinions in people who either love him or hate him should be an indicator that he is very well-written.
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Post by wright1978 on Aug 16, 2017 8:20:42 GMT
I don't get the love for Reyes, like, at all. What's it about him people like? Cause I can't stand him. Well he didn't have a high bar to get over because Sloane is such a despicable toad.
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Post by orchid on Aug 16, 2017 9:59:28 GMT
I don't get the love for Reyes, like, at all. What's it about him people like? Cause I can't stand him. People love a conventionally attractive, friendly human male with a charming voice who is an available LI for both men and women??? Truly a mystery for ages. Next undecipherable enigma: a beautiful woman is beloved by many. I mean, I can easily see why people would dislike Reyes. I just don’t get why so many seem to be utterly baffled that he has fans. My last run I didn't get to the bigger questions. Ryder's there as security for Sloane, right? Letting her get shot in the back like that would be just plain dishonorable. IMO that’s not the bigger picture, though. That’s your Ryder’s personal ethics, and whether you feel Ryder is bound by honor to back Sloane who blackmailed them with the Outpost in order to force them to accompany her, after Ryder’s protest that they don’t want to come and that their dislike is mutual. The exact wording closest to a promise to act as Sloane’s bodyguard are the words “I’m with you”, which I personally wouldn’t count as a blood oath with the honor of my dead ancestors behind it. The bigger question is who is more capable as the leader of Kadara and with whom the Initiative can have a functional alliance. By the time Ryder gets to High Noon, they probably already have an opinion about Sloane ordering that a medicine be turned into an addictive drug, banishments of poor citizens and the extortion fees (driving these people to become dependent on the soup kitchen funded by the Charlatan), bloody beatings on the streets, and suppressing the voice of the native Angara whose representative Keema does not have any real say, and the intense hatred that Sloane holds towards Initiative which clearly will never go away. Even if I cared about the “honor” of archaic murder contests, I wouldn’t let that sway my opinion of Sloane needing to die.
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 16, 2017 10:55:25 GMT
My last run I didn't get to the bigger questions. Ryder's there as security for Sloane, right? Letting her get shot in the back like that would be just plain dishonorable. At least that is what you let Sloane believe.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 16, 2017 13:33:43 GMT
I thought Titan Books implied that it was delayed? Why are they being so secretive, by the way? Especially considering that we already have a plot synopsis for Initiation that's out in November
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 13:45:22 GMT
I don't get the love for Reyes, like, at all. What's it about him people like? Cause I can't stand him. Voiced by Hawke, looks like a maiden's dream, is an independent male with his own goals and ambitions. He is also succesful in pursuing them independently, and PC only marginally collaborates, rather than solving his problems. Even if OC thwarts him, he will eventually succeed (or it feels that way). Allows roleplaying a political union with romantic overtone. Interacting with him and developing the relationship can be intertwined into the second half of the game once all the early relationships on the ship fizzled out. All and all, Reyes is a refreshing romantic option with a lot of content and he is not an underling. He also does not try to prove how "strong" he is by betraying the PC or being a total jerk to everyone. And not just on one planet like in SWTOR. Reyes is the best and most novel approach to a video game romance with a male Npc that I have seen since Baldur's Gate 1. It's exactly what I was looking for, and I am over the moon we've finally got it. Yep, he is a likeable, strong, independent, not burned out, not a strongman bully, not a comic relief sidekick that is all muscle no brain, and morally ambiguous male that is personally loyal to PC, and not insane. Bioware, what took you so long?
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Post by link2twenty on Aug 16, 2017 13:51:13 GMT
I thought Titan Books implied that it was delayed? Why are they being so secretive, by the way? Especially considering that we already have a plot synopsis for Initiation that's out in November Well, this is the book that had the working title "the lost ark", so we presumed it would be the DLC tie-in novel. With DLC being so up in the air it makes sense the tie-in novels would be fate would be too.
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Post by Gileadan on Aug 16, 2017 13:57:23 GMT
Sloane vs Reyes lacked a "trick them into killing each other" option. Thug vs grease rag. I would have preferred to clean Kadara of both of them.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 16, 2017 14:44:34 GMT
I thought Titan Books implied that it was delayed? Why are they being so secretive, by the way? Especially considering that we already have a plot synopsis for Initiation that's out in November Well, this is the book that had the working title "the lost ark", so we presumed it would be the DLC tie-in novel. With DLC being so up in the air it makes sense the tie-in novels would be fate would be too. Just out of curiosity, what makes us so sure she is referring to Annihilation? Is she known to write multiple books at once?
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 16, 2017 14:49:42 GMT
My last run I didn't get to the bigger questions. Ryder's there as security for Sloane, right? Letting her get shot in the back like that would be just plain dishonorable. IMO that’s not the bigger picture, though. That’s your Ryder’s personal ethics, and whether you feel Ryder is bound by honor to back Sloane who blackmailed them with the Outpost in order to force them to accompany her, after Ryder’s protest that they don’t want to come and that their dislike is mutual. The exact wording closest to a promise to act as Sloane’s bodyguard are the words “I’m with you”, which I personally wouldn’t count as a blood oath with the honor of my dead ancestors behind it. The bigger question is who is more capable as the leader of Kadara and with whom the Initiative can have a functional alliance. By the time Ryder gets to High Noon, they probably already have an opinion about Sloane ordering that a medicine be turned into an addictive drug, banishments of poor citizens and the extortion fees (driving these people to become dependent on the soup kitchen funded by the Charlatan), bloody beatings on the streets, and suppressing the voice of the native Angara whose representative Keema does not have any real say, and the intense hatred that Sloane holds towards Initiative which clearly will never go away. Even if I cared about the “honor” of archaic murder contests, I wouldn’t let that sway my opinion of Sloane needing to die. Sure. Like I said, that Ryder doesn't get to the bigger issue. Note that this one hadn't actually been blackmailed; she signed on willingly. No fan of Sloane, but murder's no way to change leadership. (If you want to call her naive, feel free; that's how I'm playing her.) Sloane kind of qualifies for a Darwin Award for going through with the duel. She can't possibly not know that Ryder is at least an associate of Reyes at that point.
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Post by sil on Aug 16, 2017 14:49:51 GMT
Well, this is the book that had the working title "the lost ark", so we presumed it would be the DLC tie-in novel. With DLC being so up in the air it makes sense the tie-in novels would be fate would be too. Just out of curiosity, what makes us so sure she is referring to Annihilation? Is she known to write multiple books at once? The very same question ran through my mind.
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 16, 2017 14:51:17 GMT
I thought Titan Books implied that it was delayed? Why are they being so secretive, by the way? Especially considering that we already have a plot synopsis for Initiation that's out in November The conspiratorial side of me wonders if the placeholder dates are of December 5th on Amazon Audible for "Annihilation" are just that until we get a formal announcement of whether or not DLC is incoming. A "Quarian Ark" DLC is the most obvious post-game DLC they could make right away based on the game's epilogue and, if DLC is planned but still being polished, a date for the book would perhaps give away a date for the DLC. "Nexus Uprising" came out on 03/21/2017 so the November release date of "Initiation" (11/06 or 11/28 depending on if you are looking at audible or Amazon paperback), along with "Mass Effect Discovery" being moved to 10/28/2017, is 7 to 8 months later, leaving a pretty wide gap. It wouldn't be too hard to imagine an announced DLC for sometime in Sept/Oct and then have the release dates for "Annihilation" and "Discovery" adjusted to correspond.
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Post by samhain444 on Aug 16, 2017 15:03:44 GMT
More than likely yes, but she did confirm that the novel she wrote for BioWare is done as well so she's certainly stacking her books albeit in different genres. The release date of "Annihilation" on Dec 5th seems bound to change considering "Initiation" is due just a week earlier.
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I don't get the love for Reyes, like, at all. What's it about him people like? Cause I can't stand him. Voiced by Hawke, looks like a maiden's dream, is an independent male with his own goals and ambitions. He is also succesful in pursuing them independently, and PC only marginally collaborates, rather than solving his problems. Even if OC thwarts him, he will eventually succeed (or it feels that way). Allows roleplaying a political union with romantic overtone. Interacting with him and developing the relationship can be intertwined into the second half of the game once all the early relationships on the ship fizzled out. All and all, Reyes is a refreshing romantic option with a lot of content and he is not an underling. He also does not try to prove how "strong" he is by betraying the PC or being a total jerk to everyone. And not just on one planet like in SWTOR. Reyes is the best and most novel approach to a video game romance with a male Npc that I have seen since Baldur's Gate 1. It's exactly what I was looking for, and I am over the moon we've finally got it. Yep, he is a likeable, strong, independent, not burned out, not a strongman bully, not a comic relief sidekick that is all muscle no brain, and morally ambiguous male that is personally loyal to PC, and not insane. Bioware, what took you so long? Well said. I had to just pop in here to say I couldn't agree more. I understand that everyone has their own moral code for their Ryders and that's the beauty of a game like this, but as an ever practical Sara who delights in sniping my enemies one by one before they even know I'm there as often as possible, I have very little room to turn my nose up at Reyes' dueling tactics. Even on that first playthrough, I wasn't even tempted by the interrupt. I remember thinking that I'd be silly to betray someone I'd come to think of as an ally in order to save a person I'd been hoping to find a way to take out myself. Plus, as you said, he's a truly appealing LI. I loved the romance and wish it had more content.
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Post by troopertethras on Aug 16, 2017 15:14:16 GMT
More than likely yes, but she did confirm that the novel she wrote for BioWare is done as well so she's certainly stacking her books albeit in different genres. The release date of "Annihilation" on Dec 5th seems bound to change considering "Initiation" is due just a week earlier. Oh, no doubt. I just hope folks aren't so attached to these placeholder dates that by the time they come around and 'Annihilation' isn't out they're taken completely by surprise. When the release date has been set in earnest, the publisher will put the word out; as was just recently the case with 'Initiation'.
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Post by sil on Aug 16, 2017 15:22:26 GMT
Someone should tweet her to confirm. So we can put the theory to bed now, if it is wrong.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 16, 2017 15:31:03 GMT
Even so, she should be more specific about what book she is talking about because she has completely different audiences that would only care about one thing about her work. Also, the original release date (given out by Titan Books, mind you) was September 1st. It's a reasonable assumption that it was about Annihilation. Also both are out in three weeks time.
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Post by blighted on Aug 16, 2017 15:36:53 GMT
Uh, but she does confirm this tweet was about her other upcoming novel in the replies.
Chad Huckabaa @chadhuckabaa You could still tell us about your book, can't stop everything for the debacle we can do little about.
Catherynne Valente @catvalente It’s about the Bronte children fighting Napoleon
Chad Huckabaa @chadhuckabaa Interesting, are there a lot of illustrations? I'd love to see how the illustrator envisioned Napoleon on the rooster.
Catherynne Valente @catvalente Yes! They’re awesome!
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