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We're not just talking about the Quarian Ark, but it's somewhat of a focus because it was largely teased and it was a post-game content and we thought it would be the first DLC for Andromeda. Have a story and finish it in game, even if you have to charge us for DLC. It's somewhat different from the old days, sure, but you're still puting all those stories in-game. To put it into a different media, like books and comics is something to be frowned upon, since it is a conclusion of all the Quarian Ark events that were teased A LOT in-game. See the Original Trilogy for example. The books expanded Mass Effect for us, introduced us to new plot and characters, while making some references to the game trilogy. You didn't need one to understand the other. Grayson, Sanders, the whole Ascension Project being sabotaged by Cerberus wasn't that important in the second and third game, and it was only mentioned. Another example, Star Wars. You don't need the Expanded Universe to understand the whole plot of the movies. And the plot was introduced, constructed and concluded in the movie saga, not needing other sources to complement it. What Bioware is doing is basically spreading one story and its conclusion to different kind of sources. Want to tell a story about a lost Ark? Fine. But don't mention in-game to be solved later in the future by a book that many won't read. It feels like they're saying "Buy it or you won't get the conclusion to it"Well, you needed to have watched ANH to have Rouge One have any impact. I'm somewhat tempted to let the Internet spoil it for me. I'm sure that a pdf will do the rounds shortly after it releases. I wont be reading it but I'm sure someone will.
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Post by Hrungr on Aug 20, 2017 20:11:25 GMT
I still remember a time when the notion of DLC would anger people, who argued they were deliberately being sold an unfinished game. Heck I'm still that person who strongly dislikes story-based DLC as I think it pretty much kills any game's narrative where half the people are playing a different story than the other half, especially when going into sequels (see: Arrival). No one asked for DLC for Mass Effect in the first place, but we still got it, because that's what the industry was doing. Now DLC is so ubiquitous that it's become the norm, and people not only expect it, but as demonstrated here they feel like they are owed additional story content in single player form and anything other than that is a betrayal. Similarly, multiplayer is now becoming the norm, and Bioware seem to have always followed the norm when it comes to the kinds of games they make. Adding multiplayer to DAI, deciding to focus on the multiplayer aspect of MEA, and deciding to develop an entirely new game only in multiplayer all point to this being the direction they are going in, regardless of what their core audience wants. Besides, despite the reviews and the passionate fans, Bioware games have never been anywhere near as profitable as other, less critically acclaimed games. Many of those are now multiplayer games. Single player DLC costs a lot to make. Multiplayer maps and packs cost far less. The math here is pretty clear. No one asked for multiplayer in Mass Effect, but we are still getting it, because that's what the industry is doing. Looks like there's going to be space in the market for what Mass Effect covers (space opera shooter RPG with dialogue focus)... or rather, covered? Bethesda's "Starfield" new IP is the only AAA one I can think of off the top of my head that might cover... some of those things.
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You see I'm not saying that your assumption is not true but the only thing you can read from her words is that the she started working on the book before the game was published. Her words don't demonstrate that they wanted to solve the Quarian Ark on MP to begin with. This don't outright deny the possibility that after the game reception upon BW request she tweaked her book to complete the story and include the scrapped DLC. It might be very well that what you are assuming is right but it's just an assumption not a certainty. Bioware also stated in their blog post that early on in development they decided the story would continue in APEX missions and novels and they designed the game around that premise. I think you may be right. I trust Fiery on this, he wouldn't lie: "I know someone who has connections to the studio, and apparently story DLC was never planned in the first place." See Jason Schreier's response: www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246542488&postcount=549
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 20, 2017 20:20:31 GMT
We're not just talking about the Quarian Ark, but it's somewhat of a focus because it was largely teased and it was a post-game content and we thought it would be the first DLC for Andromeda. Have a story and finish it in game, even if you have to charge us for DLC. It's somewhat different from the old days, sure, but you're still puting all those stories in-game. To put it into a different media, like books and comics is something to be frowned upon, since it is a conclusion of all the Quarian Ark events that were teased A LOT in-game. See the Original Trilogy for example. The books expanded Mass Effect for us, introduced us to new plot and characters, while making some references to the game trilogy. You didn't need one to understand the other. Grayson, Sanders, the whole Ascension Project being sabotaged by Cerberus wasn't that important in the second and third game, and it was only mentioned. Another example, Star Wars. You don't need the Expanded Universe to understand the whole plot of the movies. And the plot was introduced, constructed and concluded in the movie saga, not needing other sources to complement it. What Bioware is doing is basically spreading one story and its conclusion to different kind of sources. Want to tell a story about a lost Ark? Fine. But don't mention in-game to be solved later in the future by a book that many won't read. It feels like they're saying "Buy it or you won't get the conclusion to it"Well, you needed to have watched ANH to have Rouge One have any impact. I'm somewhat tempted to let the Internet spoil it for me. To be honest, I think the other way around would be more certain. Rogue One is still a solid movie on its own. If you go for the 2 movie trilogies, surely Rogue One and future spin-offs would be in it. If you decide to watch Rogue One just for the sake of watching, not because you know the story, you would still understand lots of the movie, but since it ends in a set-up for EP IV, you kinda feel there's something else missing there. Rogue One fixed one of the major plotholes ANH had. But that's it. It's still a spin-off movie that complemented other movie.
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Post by sil on Aug 20, 2017 20:26:28 GMT
To compensate us for this utter disappointment I'd be happy to accept adding a full Priority: Dekuuna mission to ME3 so we can save some elcor at least.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 20, 2017 20:27:29 GMT
Well, you needed to have watched ANH to have Rouge One have any impact. I'm somewhat tempted to let the Internet spoil it for me. I'm sure that a pdf will do the rounds shortly after it releases. I wont be reading it but I'm sure someone will. There are those that will read and post it here on the forums/internet/somewhere else and I could follow the discussion or just grab a quick summary of the book's events, but that isn't the same thing as playing through a DLC or part of the story and figuring it out as you go. Or even reading the real book. I won't get the PDF, I will get the book and other comics(despite being sad right now at BW's decision) 'cuz I do want to know what happened(IMO, you can't even compare PDF to real books ) But hell, it will take me a while. I don't have a single ME Comic because that thing is too expensive here in my country (R$60,00 each issue, at least on the place I figured that they sell it). And the books are R$50,00 or more. It's insane to think about it. A DLC would come cheaper.
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Bioware also stated in their blog post that early on in development they decided the story would continue in APEX missions and novels and they designed the game around that premise. I think you may be right. I trust Fiery on this, he wouldn't lie. "I know someone who has connections to the studio, and apparently story DLC was never planned in the first place." See Jason Schreier's response: www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=246542488&postcount=549Hmm. Does this make me feel better or worse about the future of ME? I'm not sure.
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Post by bshep on Aug 20, 2017 21:14:45 GMT
I'm sure that a pdf will do the rounds shortly after it releases. I wont be reading it but I'm sure someone will. There are those that will read and post it here on the forums/internet/somewhere else and I could follow the discussion or just grab a quick summary of the book's events, but that isn't the same thing as playing through a DLC or part of the story and figuring it out as you go. Or even reading the real book. I won't get the PDF, I will get the book and other comics(despite being sad right now at BW's decision) 'cuz I do want to know what happened(IMO, you can't even compare PDF to real books ) But hell, it will take me a while. I don't have a single ME Comic because that thing is too expensive here in my country (R$60,00 each issue, at least on the place I figured that they sell it). And the books are R$50,00 or more. It's insane to think about it. A DLC would come cheaper. You can do both. Especially for comics since it realy not worth it to buy single issue, better wait until they release the volume with all issues. ps: Eu comprei os livros e os volumes dos quadrinhos via livraria cultura alguns anos atrás.
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Post by DragonRacer on Aug 20, 2017 21:35:41 GMT
Now DLC is so ubiquitous that it's become the norm, and people not only expect it, but as demonstrated here they feel like they are owed additional story content in single player form and anything other than that is a betrayal. We're not just talking about the Quarian Ark, but it's somewhat of a focus because it was largely teased and it was a post-game content and we thought it would be the first DLC for Andromeda. Have a story and finish it in game, even if you have to charge us for DLC. It's somewhat different from the old days, sure, but you're still puting all those stories in-game. To put it into a different media, like books and comics is something to be frowned upon, since it is a conclusion of all the Quarian Ark events that were teased A LOT in-game. See the Original Trilogy for example. The books expanded Mass Effect for us, introduced us to new plot and characters, while making some references to the game trilogy. You didn't need one to understand the other. Grayson, Sanders, the whole Ascension Project being sabotaged by Cerberus wasn't that important in the second and third game, and it was only mentioned. Another example, Star Wars. You don't need the Expanded Universe to understand the whole plot of the movies. And the plot was introduced, constructed and concluded in the movie saga, not needing other sources to complement it. What Bioware is doing is basically spreading one story and its conclusion to different kind of sources. Want to tell a story about a lost Ark? Fine. But don't mention in-game to be solved later in the future by a book that many won't read. It feels like they're saying "Buy it or you won't get the conclusion to it" Seriously. Taking one cohesive story and spreading it across multiple mediums is tedious and annoying. That would be like me saying I'm going to write a Mass Effect fanfic, but the first 3 chapters will be on Fanfiction.net, then next 3 chapters will be on Archive of Our Own, and to discover the exciting conclusion, you'll have to subscribe to my YouTube channel where I will read and act out through interpretive dance the final three chapters. Um, no. That's not how coherent story-telling works. At ALL.
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Now DLC is so ubiquitous that it's become the norm, and people not only expect it, but as demonstrated here they feel like they are owed additional story content in single player form and anything other than that is a betrayal. We're not just talking about the Quarian Ark, but it's somewhat of a focus because it was largely teased and it was a post-game content and we thought it would be the first DLC for Andromeda. Have a story and finish it in game, even if you have to charge us for DLC. It's somewhat different from the old days, sure, but you're still puting all those stories in-game. To put it into a different media, like books and comics is something to be frowned upon, since it is a conclusion of all the Quarian Ark events that were teased A LOT in-game. See the Original Trilogy for example. The books expanded Mass Effect for us, introduced us to new plot and characters, while making some references to the game trilogy. You didn't need one to understand the other. Grayson, Sanders, the whole Ascension Project being sabotaged by Cerberus wasn't that important in the second and third game, and it was only mentioned. Another example, Star Wars. You don't need the Expanded Universe to understand the whole plot of the movies. And the plot was introduced, constructed and concluded in the movie saga, not needing other sources to complement it. What Bioware is doing is basically spreading one story and its conclusion to different kind of sources. Want to tell a story about a lost Ark? Fine. But don't mention in-game to be solved later in the future by a book that many won't read. It feels like they're saying "Buy it or you won't get the conclusion to it" But the MEA main story is the same whether you save the Quarian ark or not. The Quarian ark is not required to understand the main plot of the game. And it really wasn't teased that much in game, it only came up in two places: talking with Tann and during the epilogue. The one with Tann doesn't outright state they arrived in Andromeda and can be written off as the writers just explaining why there aren't any quarians running around. The one in the epilogue can be justified if it's simply announcing a multiplayer mission, the same kind of conversation you have with Kandros about APEX. It's introducing a multiplayer feature in single player. Outside of these situations the main plot completely ignores the existence of the quarians. It's optional content that expands the lore of the universe. Brings us back to my point about story DLC: to make it work you have to make the story contained within it non-essential.
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Post by bshep on Aug 20, 2017 21:55:33 GMT
We're not just talking about the Quarian Ark, but it's somewhat of a focus because it was largely teased and it was a post-game content and we thought it would be the first DLC for Andromeda. Have a story and finish it in game, even if you have to charge us for DLC. It's somewhat different from the old days, sure, but you're still puting all those stories in-game. To put it into a different media, like books and comics is something to be frowned upon, since it is a conclusion of all the Quarian Ark events that were teased A LOT in-game. See the Original Trilogy for example. The books expanded Mass Effect for us, introduced us to new plot and characters, while making some references to the game trilogy. You didn't need one to understand the other. Grayson, Sanders, the whole Ascension Project being sabotaged by Cerberus wasn't that important in the second and third game, and it was only mentioned. Another example, Star Wars. You don't need the Expanded Universe to understand the whole plot of the movies. And the plot was introduced, constructed and concluded in the movie saga, not needing other sources to complement it. What Bioware is doing is basically spreading one story and its conclusion to different kind of sources. Want to tell a story about a lost Ark? Fine. But don't mention in-game to be solved later in the future by a book that many won't read. It feels like they're saying "Buy it or you won't get the conclusion to it" But the MEA main story is the same whether you save the Quarian ark or not. The Quarian ark is not required to understand the main plot of the game. And it really wasn't teased that much in game, it only came up in two places: talking with Tann and during the epilogue. The one with Tann doesn't outright state they arrived in Andromeda and can be written off as the writers just explaining why there aren't any quarians running around. The one in the epilogue can be justified if it's simply announcing a multiplayer mission, the same kind of conversation you have with Kandros about APEX. It's introducing a multiplayer feature in single player. Outside of these situations the main plot completely ignores the existence of the quarians. It's optional content that expands the lore of the universe. Brings us back to my point about story DLC: to make it work you have to make the story contained within it non-essential. Have to disagree with that. The fact that it came in the epilogue was what made it a huge DLC tease, just like Solas killing Flemeth in DAI epilogue was. THey shouldn't have done this kind of tease if they didn't intended to continue the story. Truth be told i find this whole "we never intended to do DLC" story really shaddy.
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We're not just talking about the Quarian Ark, but it's somewhat of a focus because it was largely teased and it was a post-game content and we thought it would be the first DLC for Andromeda. Have a story and finish it in game, even if you have to charge us for DLC. It's somewhat different from the old days, sure, but you're still puting all those stories in-game. To put it into a different media, like books and comics is something to be frowned upon, since it is a conclusion of all the Quarian Ark events that were teased A LOT in-game. See the Original Trilogy for example. The books expanded Mass Effect for us, introduced us to new plot and characters, while making some references to the game trilogy. You didn't need one to understand the other. Grayson, Sanders, the whole Ascension Project being sabotaged by Cerberus wasn't that important in the second and third game, and it was only mentioned. Another example, Star Wars. You don't need the Expanded Universe to understand the whole plot of the movies. And the plot was introduced, constructed and concluded in the movie saga, not needing other sources to complement it. What Bioware is doing is basically spreading one story and its conclusion to different kind of sources. Want to tell a story about a lost Ark? Fine. But don't mention in-game to be solved later in the future by a book that many won't read. It feels like they're saying "Buy it or you won't get the conclusion to it"
Seriously. Taking one cohesive story and spreading it across multiple mediums is tedious and annoying. That would be like me saying I'm going to write a Mass Effect fanfic, but the first 3 chapters will be on Fanfiction.net, then next 3 chapters will be on Archive of Our Own, and to discover the exciting conclusion, you'll have to subscribe to my YouTube channel where I will read and act out through interpretive dance the final three chapters. Um, no. That's not how coherent story-telling works. At ALL. Would pay real money, not just MP credits, to see DR's interpretive version of the final three chapters of Andromeda: The Lost Dance.
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Post by Kaidan Fan on Aug 20, 2017 22:12:58 GMT
We're not just talking about the Quarian Ark, but it's somewhat of a focus because it was largely teased and it was a post-game content and we thought it would be the first DLC for Andromeda. Have a story and finish it in game, even if you have to charge us for DLC. It's somewhat different from the old days, sure, but you're still puting all those stories in-game. To put it into a different media, like books and comics is something to be frowned upon, since it is a conclusion of all the Quarian Ark events that were teased A LOT in-game. See the Original Trilogy for example. The books expanded Mass Effect for us, introduced us to new plot and characters, while making some references to the game trilogy. You didn't need one to understand the other. Grayson, Sanders, the whole Ascension Project being sabotaged by Cerberus wasn't that important in the second and third game, and it was only mentioned. Another example, Star Wars. You don't need the Expanded Universe to understand the whole plot of the movies. And the plot was introduced, constructed and concluded in the movie saga, not needing other sources to complement it. What Bioware is doing is basically spreading one story and its conclusion to different kind of sources. Want to tell a story about a lost Ark? Fine. But don't mention in-game to be solved later in the future by a book that many won't read. It feels like they're saying "Buy it or you won't get the conclusion to it" Seriously. Taking one cohesive story and spreading it across multiple mediums is tedious and annoying. That would be like me saying I'm going to write a Mass Effect fanfic, but the first 3 chapters will be on Fanfiction.net, then next 3 chapters will be on Archive of Our Own, and to discover the exciting conclusion, you'll have to subscribe to my YouTube channel where I will read and act out through interpretive dance the final three chapters. Um, no. That's not how coherent story-telling works. At ALL. I agree with this so much I wish I could give you 1000 likes, so just imagine I did! /1000 likes to DragonRacer
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Post by haolyn on Aug 20, 2017 22:15:41 GMT
But the MEA main story is the same whether you save the Quarian ark or not. The Quarian ark is not required to understand the main plot of the game. And it really wasn't teased that much in game, it only came up in two places: talking with Tann and during the epilogue. The one with Tann doesn't outright state they arrived in Andromeda and can be written off as the writers just explaining why there aren't any quarians running around. The one in the epilogue can be justified if it's simply announcing a multiplayer mission, the same kind of conversation you have with Kandros about APEX. It's introducing a multiplayer feature in single player. Outside of these situations the main plot completely ignores the existence of the quarians. It's optional content that expands the lore of the universe. Brings us back to my point about story DLC: to make it work you have to make the story contained within it non-essential. Have to disagree with that. The fact that it came in the epilogue was what made it a huge DLC tease, just like Solas killing Flemeth in DAI epilogue was. THey shouldn't have done this kind of tease if they didn't intended to continue the story. Truth be told i find this whole "we never intended to do DLC" story really shaddy. They did intend to continue the story... in multiplayer and novels. That's why they left the hints in and that's what they outright stated in their blog post update: they designed the game's story to be continued in multiplayer and novels. I don't like it either, but that's how it is.
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Post by bshep on Aug 20, 2017 22:24:23 GMT
Have to disagree with that. The fact that it came in the epilogue was what made it a huge DLC tease, just like Solas killing Flemeth in DAI epilogue was. THey shouldn't have done this kind of tease if they didn't intended to continue the story. Truth be told i find this whole "we never intended to do DLC" story really shaddy. They did intend to continue the story... in multiplayer and novels. That's why they left the hints in and that's what they outright stated in their blog post update: they designed the game's story to be continued in multiplayer and novels. I don't like it either, but that's how it is. The only places where i saw this being used was in cancelled TV series that tried to keep the story going via comic books. That is why i believe this is a mending at best, not what they intended to do. Like it was already said before in this thread you can branch side stories in a different media but doing that with the main story makes no sense unless something really has gone wrong.
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Post by DragonRacer on Aug 20, 2017 22:34:33 GMT
*sigh* I know this is the Twitter thread and I probably shouldn't contribute to furthering the current discussion, but...
The only thing that gives me major pause on the whole "we intended no DLC at the start" story and saying the Quarian Ark would be resolved in novels AND MP... is that even though MP had an APEX mission briefing that hinted at Quarians in the future at some point... the dataminers have found no hint of Quarian kits in the last patch. What they found were the two Batarians we already got, and four more human kits. So, of the MP stuff left to be "released", we have four human kits and two guns. Then, it's over. No more patches, so no more new MP content after that.
So, unless those Quarian MP files are super-duper secretly coded/stashed away to have not been found by the MP dataminers, then there would seem to be no Quarian ANYTHING coming to the MP.
Which seems damned weird after that one random APEX mission briefing plus the end game distress call from the Quarian Ark warning everyone to stay away from them because of some problem.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 20, 2017 23:41:26 GMT
The only way I'll take any of this is if: -the MP includes stuff like Quarians as a clear tease (used in the mission briefs) for more coming in a big way as story unfolds -next year, 2018, a new ME is announced, by Edmonton -the year after, 2019, we get good progress on news about the game -the year after, 2020 (but maybe 2021), we get a new ME, that highly involves the matter of the Quarians (etc), as MEA dealt with the separate matters of Krogan, Citadel Species (Arks), Exiles, Angara, etc. Instead of DLC, we get a main story arc. Instead of a smaller 'lost ark' mission, we get a Quarian focused (maybe shared among a bunch of things) story arc that may include a lost ark.
Basically, that they try to make stuff up to us and they prioritize doing it sooner - in game release time - than later. We have to afford Bioware at least 1-2 years of their MEA development due ME3 DLC (2012-2013) and earlier Frostbite mistakes (2013-2014). I do think a ME game can be made over 2020, maybe 2021, maybe 2019. Imagine if right after Anthem, a team is set up for another ME game, and after Anthem updates and DA4 release, it goes hard on development.
I'm not expecting any of this. I'm just saying the only way I can keep giving a damn about this franchise, given the events so far.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Aug 21, 2017 1:55:06 GMT
The only way I'll take any of this is if: -the MP includes stuff like Quarians as a clear tease (used in the mission briefs) for more coming in a big way as story unfolds -next year, 2018, a new ME is announced, by Edmonton -the year after, 2019, we get good progress on news about the game -the year after, 2020 (but maybe 2021), we get a new ME, that highly involves the matter of the Quarians (etc), as MEA dealt with the separate matters of Krogan, Citadel Species (Arks), Exiles, Angara, etc. Instead of DLC, we get a main story arc. Instead of a smaller 'lost ark' mission, we get a Quarian focused (maybe shared among a bunch of things) story arc that may include a lost ark. Basically, that they try to make stuff up to us and they prioritize doing it sooner - in game release time - than later. We have to afford Bioware at least 1-2 years of their MEA development due ME3 DLC (2012-2013) and earlier Frostbite mistakes (2013-2014). I do think a ME game can be made over 2020, maybe 2021, maybe 2019. Imagine if right after Anthem, a team is set up for another ME game, and after Anthem updates and DA4 release, it goes hard on development. I'm not expecting any of this. I'm just saying the only way I can keep giving a damn about this franchise, given the events so far. Considering we'll be lucky to get DA4 by 2020, I think we'd be lucky to get another ME game by 2024. It's all about Anthem through 2018/9 most likely. Does it feel weird for anyone else typing years like that? I feel old.
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Post by elitepinecone on Aug 21, 2017 2:42:01 GMT
-next year, 2018, a new ME is announced, by Edmonton Why would EA allocate *any* resources on a new Mass Effect next year when they just spent five years and hundreds of people on a game that was a critical failure and probably didn't sell as well as they wanted? My takeaway from EA Montreal being shut down is that we shouldn't expect a new Mass Effect game for years and years, if ever. It's over.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 3:33:58 GMT
The only way I'll take any of this is if: -the MP includes stuff like Quarians as a clear tease (used in the mission briefs) for more coming in a big way as story unfolds -next year, 2018, a new ME is announced, by Edmonton -the year after, 2019, we get good progress on news about the game -the year after, 2020 (but maybe 2021), we get a new ME, that highly involves the matter of the Quarians (etc), as MEA dealt with the separate matters of Krogan, Citadel Species (Arks), Exiles, Angara, etc. Instead of DLC, we get a main story arc. Instead of a smaller 'lost ark' mission, we get a Quarian focused (maybe shared among a bunch of things) story arc that may include a lost ark. Basically, that they try to make stuff up to us and they prioritize doing it sooner - in game release time - than later. We have to afford Bioware at least 1-2 years of their MEA development due ME3 DLC (2012-2013) and earlier Frostbite mistakes (2013-2014). I do think a ME game can be made over 2020, maybe 2021, maybe 2019. Imagine if right after Anthem, a team is set up for another ME game, and after Anthem updates and DA4 release, it goes hard on development. I'm not expecting any of this. I'm just saying the only way I can keep giving a damn about this franchise, given the events so far. Considering we'll be lucky to get DA4 by 2020, I think we'd be lucky to get another ME game by 2024. It's all about Anthem through 2018/9 most likely. Does it feel weird for anyone else typing years like that? I feel old. Uh I expect DA4 to happen 2019-2020 latest. They won't have it so long between releases. But yes, like I said above, I don't expect anything of my list to happen. Its about right on the very edge of anything I consider remotely predictable. I'm instead expecting one of: a)a game early 2020s b)a game mid 2020s c)no more games Would be weird if they take another decade for anything Mass Effect. Possible but eh.. Then again, I leaned towards MEA getting 1-2 DLC too. I just don't want to jump the gun on 'series is dead'. Prioritizing a couple projects first before a reassessment (which very well can happen during production of said couple projects) isn't the same as a dead series. And a game can be made in 2-3 years. There are separate teams. I think its reasonable to prepare yourself for not seeing a ME game for several years (aka the '2024' you said) though.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 3:35:44 GMT
-next year, 2018, a new ME is announced, by Edmonton Why would EA allocate *any* resources on a new Mass Effect next year when they just spent five years and hundreds of people on a game that was a critical failure and probably didn't sell as well as they wanted? My takeaway from EA Montreal being shut down is that we shouldn't expect a new Mass Effect game for years and years, if ever. It's over. Depends on how they diagnose problems. At worst, we never have anything Mass Effect after this year, ever. At best, yeah I can see a new Mass Effect within 5 years. But the best seems like it depends on the stars aligning, so I'm not going with that except when it comes to saying my interests as a game consumer.
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Post by eternalgoddess on Aug 21, 2017 7:30:07 GMT
As expected no DLC ME:A sure a certain someone happy about that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 8:53:35 GMT
feel sad nau....
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 21, 2017 9:05:37 GMT
"I know someone who has connections to the studio, and apparently story DLC was never planned in the first place." Then why FFS were expectations not set in the first place, when that had previously been the norm?. I'm really not taken with the whole marketing and communications activity, which I don't blame BioWare for, by the wy.
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Post by Pearl on Aug 21, 2017 9:14:10 GMT
"I know someone who has connections to the studio, and apparently story DLC was never planned in the first place." Then why FFS were expectations not set in the first place, when that had previously been the norm?. I'm really not taken with the whole marketing and communications activity, which I don't blame BioWare for, by the wy. Would you want to be the motherfucker in charge of saying "Hey guys, we know you like DLC and we have a track record for releasing popular DLC packs, but this time we're not going to do that! Don't let that stop you from giving us your shekels!" That announcement would have generated an even bigger shitstorm than what's going on right now, and it would also have a not-insignificant impact on sales.
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