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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 21, 2017 9:21:21 GMT
Then why FFS were expectations not set in the first place, when that had previously been the norm?. I'm really not taken with the whole marketing and communications activity, which I don't blame BioWare for, by the wy. Would you want to be the motherfucker in charge of saying "Hey guys, we know you like DLC and we have a track record for releasing popular DLC packs, but this time we're not going to do that! Don't let that stop you from giving us your shekels!" That announcement would have generated an even bigger shitstorm than what's going on right now, and it would also have a not-insignificant impact on sales. You're probably right, though antagonism can also carry from one game to the next. Watch Dogs 2 did less well than Watch Dogs despite being the much better game. Assassins Creed Syndicate did less well than Unity despite being the much better game. One could argue that MEA, even after 5 years had to deal with some butthurt over ME3.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 9:30:29 GMT
MEA had double butthurt. ME3 and MEA (pre-release).
A MEA2 may have faded butthurt from ME3, but will still have MEA butthurt (extra painful due to this DLC thing) to handle.
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Post by traks on Aug 21, 2017 9:44:34 GMT
The only way I'll take any of this is if: -the MP includes stuff like Quarians as a clear tease (used in the mission briefs) for more coming in a big way as story unfolds -next year, 2018, a new ME is announced, by Edmonton -the year after, 2019, we get good progress on news about the game -the year after, 2020 (but maybe 2021), we get a new ME, that highly involves the matter of the Quarians (etc), as MEA dealt with the separate matters of Krogan, Citadel Species (Arks), Exiles, Angara, etc. Instead of DLC, we get a main story arc. Instead of a smaller 'lost ark' mission, we get a Quarian focused (maybe shared among a bunch of things) story arc that may include a lost ark.Basically, that they try to make stuff up to us and they prioritize doing it sooner - in game release time - than later. We have to afford Bioware at least 1-2 years of their MEA development due ME3 DLC (2012-2013) and earlier Frostbite mistakes (2013-2014). I do think a ME game can be made over 2020, maybe 2021, maybe 2019. Imagine if right after Anthem, a team is set up for another ME game, and after Anthem updates and DA4 release, it goes hard on development. I'm not expecting any of this. I'm just saying the only way I can keep giving a damn about this franchise, given the events so far. Disagree with you here. In MEA it is stated, that "we have to trust their pathfinder", so the hint at the Quarians is IMO just meant to say that they will be in Andromeda in the next game, while the "how did they get there and in what problems did they run?" is not a story involving the Pathfinder. So for once it is not the pathfinder saving the day, but a Quarian centered story that was always meant to be told in the book. MEA2 should focus on the Jardaan mystery including the purpose of the Angara, the next move of the Kett Empire, different clusters and aliens in the Andromeda Galaxy, the purpose of the AI (i.e. is there anything else planned by the Benefactor besides relocating because of the Reaper thread?) and maybe the problem the Quarians ran into, if it is such a big threat. But please no main focus on the Quarians (a "make up for missing DLC"-game) just because fans apparently love them so much. What ME needs next is a fantastic and fresh story, not more fan service. Doesn't mean, that one arc in a new ME game couldn't revolve around the Quarians finding a new home world where they can live without their suits. That could be a very nice side arc, but the main story should take us into unknown territory.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2017 10:42:56 GMT
"I know someone who has connections to the studio, and apparently story DLC was never planned in the first place." Then why FFS were expectations not set in the first place, when that had previously been the norm?. I'm really not taken with the whole marketing and communications activity, which I don't blame BioWare for, by the wy. Just in case my post was confusing, this quote "I know someone who has connections to the studio, and apparently story DLC was never planned in the first place", originally from Alpha Phoenix, he is who I am referring to when I said Fiery. BTW did you ever get that information you wanted from the dev that tweeted about the decisions surrounding DLC creation? I do remember something from askagamedev on tumblr with regard to Andromeda dlc.
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Post by MegaIllusiveMan on Aug 21, 2017 13:32:30 GMT
There are those that will read and post it here on the forums/internet/somewhere else and I could follow the discussion or just grab a quick summary of the book's events, but that isn't the same thing as playing through a DLC or part of the story and figuring it out as you go. Or even reading the real book. I won't get the PDF, I will get the book and other comics(despite being sad right now at BW's decision) 'cuz I do want to know what happened(IMO, you can't even compare PDF to real books ) But hell, it will take me a while. I don't have a single ME Comic because that thing is too expensive here in my country (R$60,00 each issue, at least on the place I figured that they sell it). And the books are R$50,00 or more. It's insane to think about it. A DLC would come cheaper. You can do both. Especially for comics since it realy not worth it to buy single issue, better wait until they release the volume with all issues. ps: Eu comprei os livros e os volumes dos quadrinhos via livraria cultura alguns anos atrás. (Aahhh. Obrigado, meu amigo. Eu estava dando uma olhada pela Saraiva. Vou ver se pela Cultura sai mais em conta. )
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 21, 2017 13:36:39 GMT
Did they ever respond to questions about a sequel?
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 21, 2017 14:24:51 GMT
Did they ever respond to questions about a sequel? Doubtful, and even if there was dlc we would've been years away, anyway. Considering how long it took them to make MEA in the first place. If there was dlc I would have said no doubt there would a sequel. It might've been a long way away from now-- as Anthem and DA4 are the meat and potatoes right now and M.E. is just a side dish right now. If there ever was going to be a sequel it might be Mirror's Edge 2 situation. I say this because they didn't even bother to try to go out swinging for their last patch/content drop ever for MEA. They had a hanging curve for N7 Day dlc drop and they Aaron Judged it (strike out king).
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 21, 2017 14:36:46 GMT
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Like it or not, this confirmation just strengthens that Kotaku story.
Internal conflicts, poor management, excessive EA expectations were all self inflicted and the results forced EA / Bio's decision(s). Too bad, because a Quarian Ark DLC would have brought closure.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 21, 2017 14:42:57 GMT
-(_MEA_)-
Like it or not, this confirmation just strengthens that Kotaku story.
Internal conflicts, poor management, excessive EA expectations were all self inflicted and the results forced EA / Bio's decision(s). Too bad, because a Quarian Ark DLC would have brought closure.
Some closure there is still to many dangling plot threads and it's going to be years from now before they even get answered. Hell, we don't even know who the Jardann are fighting against. I suppose a book is better then having the entire Quarian Ark story scrapped.
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Post by cribbian on Aug 21, 2017 16:15:01 GMT
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Like it or not, this confirmation just strengthens that Kotaku story.
Internal conflicts, poor management, excessive EA expectations were all self inflicted and the results forced EA / Bio's decision(s). Too bad, because a Quarian Ark DLC would have brought closure.
Hopefully those people will never have such a position again . Pretty much screwed the whole team with their indecisivness.
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Post by sil on Aug 21, 2017 16:20:00 GMT
-(_MEA_)-
Like it or not, this confirmation just strengthens that Kotaku story.
Internal conflicts, poor management, excessive EA expectations were all self inflicted and the results forced EA / Bio's decision(s). Too bad, because a Quarian Ark DLC would have brought closure.
Hopefully those people will never have such a position again . Pretty much screwed the whole team with their indecisivness. You're joking, right? The higher up the chain you go the easier it is to fuck up, get paid off and walk into a new job at a similar or higher position. It happened in the pension industry all the time in my old job, we'd get a new CEO every couple of years after each one fucked up and they would get a pay off higher than 15 years of my pay and then start a new job. Though not as high up as a CEO, they'll still do well and find new work easy.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 21, 2017 16:33:51 GMT
"I know someone who has connections to the studio, and apparently story DLC was never planned in the first place." Then why FFS were expectations not set in the first place, when that had previously been the norm?. I'm really not taken with the whole marketing and communications activity, which I don't blame BioWare for, by the wy. At this point I don't think they have a Communications department, and Marketing is some intern who's office is a spare broom closet.
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Post by Iakus on Aug 21, 2017 16:39:17 GMT
Then why FFS were expectations not set in the first place, when that had previously been the norm?. I'm really not taken with the whole marketing and communications activity, which I don't blame BioWare for, by the wy. Would you want to be the motherfucker in charge of saying "Hey guys, we know you like DLC and we have a track record for releasing popular DLC packs, but this time we're not going to do that! Don't let that stop you from giving us your shekels!" That announcement would have generated an even bigger shitstorm than what's going on right now, and it would also have a not-insignificant impact on sales. "The truth? As if it were nothing! No, no, far better the lie. Far better the blankets and shadows, and a mother's love...We believe what we want to believe. It's all we ever do"Flemeth
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 17:00:41 GMT
The only way I'll take any of this is if: -the MP includes stuff like Quarians as a clear tease (used in the mission briefs) for more coming in a big way as story unfolds -next year, 2018, a new ME is announced, by Edmonton -the year after, 2019, we get good progress on news about the game -the year after, 2020 (but maybe 2021), we get a new ME, that highly involves the matter of the Quarians (etc), as MEA dealt with the separate matters of Krogan, Citadel Species (Arks), Exiles, Angara, etc. Instead of DLC, we get a main story arc. Instead of a smaller 'lost ark' mission, we get a Quarian focused (maybe shared among a bunch of things) story arc that may include a lost ark.Basically, that they try to make stuff up to us and they prioritize doing it sooner - in game release time - than later. We have to afford Bioware at least 1-2 years of their MEA development due ME3 DLC (2012-2013) and earlier Frostbite mistakes (2013-2014). I do think a ME game can be made over 2020, maybe 2021, maybe 2019. Imagine if right after Anthem, a team is set up for another ME game, and after Anthem updates and DA4 release, it goes hard on development. I'm not expecting any of this. I'm just saying the only way I can keep giving a damn about this franchise, given the events so far. Disagree with you here. In MEA it is stated, that "we have to trust their pathfinder", so the hint at the Quarians is IMO just meant to say that they will be in Andromeda in the next game, while the "how did they get there and in what problems did they run?" is not a story involving the Pathfinder. So for once it is not the pathfinder saving the day, but a Quarian centered story that was always meant to be told in the book.MEA2 should focus on the Jardaan mystery including the purpose of the Angara, the next move of the Kett Empire, different clusters and aliens in the Andromeda Galaxy, the purpose of the AI (i.e. is there anything else planned by the Benefactor besides relocating because of the Reaper thread?) and maybe the problem the Quarians ran into, if it is such a big threat. But please no main focus on the Quarians (a "make up for missing DLC"-game) just because fans apparently love them so much. What ME needs next is a fantastic and fresh story, not more fan service. Doesn't mean, that one arc in a new ME game couldn't revolve around the Quarians finding a new home world where they can live without their suits. That could be a very nice side arc, but the main story should take us into unknown territory.What? That's *what I said*. Okay, sorry, by 'main story arc' I just mean... imagine the MEA format - one of the planets could focus on them as reviewing their experiences, similar to Krogan somewhat with New Tuchanka and the Nexus Uprising book. That's all. I don't mean an arc as large as Remnant, Angara, yadda yadda. Yes, tie it into something bigger. Sorry for miscommunicating, but I didn't mean some super Quarian focused long storyline that is more about them (and well Geth) than anything else. I don't want that ever again except maybe in a hypothetical secondary game or whatever. Maybe some very Quarian DLC but that has to be justified, just as people were getting increasingly hyped in a 'Quarian Ark'. I just took 'main arc' to = 'major planetary arc', but you'd be right, that's not the best interpretation I took.
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Post by SwobyJ on Aug 21, 2017 17:04:35 GMT
Did they ever respond to questions about a sequel? No and they won't. Marketing-wise, this is unlikely to be the time. Unless they judge gamer outrage to be so big that it benefits them better to mention something now. I don't expect news 2018 but I guess its possible. I'd hope that 2019-2020 there's at least news, maybe start of hype for a new title, and ideally but unlikely a game release 2020. This game was dropped and they're moving on. Whether this means a drop of the ME franchise after a couple books and comic material, or it means shifting focus to Anthem and a Dragon Age game before returning to do more Mass Effect, we'd have to wait to see.
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Post by Pillemarisk on Aug 21, 2017 17:12:12 GMT
So it goes.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Aug 21, 2017 22:59:08 GMT
tbh I don't really count that as DLC as it was included in the patch as part of the deluxe edition so technically it's not one.
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Post by patriciachr34 on Aug 21, 2017 23:53:32 GMT
I am both disappointed and emancipated by he news of no DLC for MEA. I would love to have participated in the Quarian story arc on some level. However, I can now go back to the game and play without concern for the world state. Let her burn!!!!!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 22, 2017 5:04:09 GMT
Congratulations, Bioware. You have officially lost me as a costumer with what you have done.
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Post by armass81 on Aug 22, 2017 10:02:02 GMT
Congratulations, Bioware. You have officially lost me as a costumer with what you have done. Seconded. Ill return maybe, if you bring back Mass Effect, a good Mass Effect that is... Until then, good luck, youre going to need it.
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Post by kelarqshah on Aug 22, 2017 13:31:01 GMT
I feel the the same pain and anger as everyone else, but boycotting Bioware right now is like boycotting Joss Whedon because Fox cancelled Firefly.
From Casey's point of view, Mass Effect is his baby. The only way EA will throw another $40m at Bioware for a new Mass Effect game will be if they have confidence in the management, the team and the brand. That means he has to make a success of Anthem and DA4.
If we're going to vote with our wallets, it should be to show that Mass Effect fans aren't going anywhere.
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Post by lilyenachaos on Aug 22, 2017 14:24:24 GMT
I feel the the same pain and anger as everyone else, but boycotting Bioware right now is like boycotting Joss Whedon because Fox cancelled Firefly. From Casey's point of view, Mass Effect is his baby. The only way EA will throw another $40m at Bioware for a new Mass Effect game will be if they have confidence in the management, the team and the brand. That means he has to make a success of Anthem and DA4. If we're going to vote with our wallets, it should be to show that Mass Effect fans aren't going anywhere. Pretty sure them putting out an unfinished game, releasing a couple patches, and then dropping said game like it's plagued doesn't mean I should give them MORE of my money. I will buy DA4 after release if it looks good. Anthem was not something I was interested in anyways.
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Post by sil on Aug 22, 2017 15:02:00 GMT
I feel the the same pain and anger as everyone else, but boycotting Bioware right now is like boycotting Joss Whedon because Fox cancelled Firefly. From Casey's point of view, Mass Effect is his baby. The only way EA will throw another $40m at Bioware for a new Mass Effect game will be if they have confidence in the management, the team and the brand. That means he has to make a success of Anthem and DA4. If we're going to vote with our wallets, it should be to show that Mass Effect fans aren't going anywhere. They've done everything possible to justify me to never open my wallet for them again. Why should we buy Anthem, a game that will rely on post-launch content, when they couldn't be bothered to make DLC for Mass Effect Andromeda? It'll prove to be a waste of money. Plus MP games are bollocks, and I've no interest in DA4. Mass Effect is all I gave a damn about for Bioware, and they can bugger off if they think I'll support them now.
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