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Post by Pearl on Jul 8, 2018 0:39:19 GMT
I liked the game and i didn't feel ignored by this tweet. Also patches are more part of a continued game service than a admission of one's flaws. It just feels that these guys are interacting more who dislike the game than people who did. Oh grow up. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that something you/your company worked on isn't perfect. Mark's statement is not a personal attack against you or anyone else who liked Andromeda. It isn't pandering to the deetrakturs either. It's a simple statement of opinion, followed up by him saying he thinks it would have gotten higher review scores under different circumstances.
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Post by Kabraxal on Jul 9, 2018 1:12:19 GMT
It just feels that these guys are interacting more who dislike the game than people who did. Oh grow up. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that something you/your company worked on isn't perfect. Mark's statement is not a personal attack against you or anyone else who liked Andromeda. It isn't pandering to the deetrakturs either. It's a simple statement of opinion, followed up by him saying he thinks it would have gotten higher review scores under different circumstances. He’s not wrong... two open world games were already out and one was going to have a ridiculous amount of overvaluation that overshadowed many games. I think a November release might have really worked for it. Only one big named open world release (that was divisive as hell) and enough time had passed that Breath of the Wild’s luster was no longer blinding as the praise turned to a gigantic split in gamer culture. It also would have meant fewer animation issues and thus less juvenile memes that smothered Andromeda’s release. I honestly think those few months were the difference between a 72 and an 82. Though I will take issue with his slight backhand at Inquisition. It met high praise at the time because it was that good. Even now, Inquisition manages to regularly be listed as a favourite this generation... despite attempts by TW3’s vile zealots to bury Inquisition (not all fans, but this board knows that little group of hostile fanboys plaguing the internet). Andromeda is rarely listed as such. Even though I would say it is one of the best games of the gen, I can admit it doesn’t hold the stature of Inquisition. Mark did not need to belittle that success.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 9, 2018 4:36:30 GMT
Though I will take issue with his slight backhand at Inquisition. It met high praise at the time because it was that good. Even now, Inquisition manages to regularly be listed as a favourite this generation... despite attempts by TW3’s vile zealots to bury Inquisition (not all fans, but this board knows that little group of hostile fanboys plaguing the internet). Andromeda is rarely listed as such. Even though I would say it is one of the best games of the gen, I can admit it doesn’t hold the stature of Inquisition. Mark did not need to belittle that success. Since I'd just be repeating myself: I wouldn't read too much into it. Because you know what other company explicitly stated (in Shreier's book) that they were lucky when it comes to time window their game was published? CDPR with Witcher 3. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that they got a somewhat favorable release window. You yourself point out that Inquisition manages to be regularly listed as a fav in this generation - and considering that EA keeps frequently reusing Inquisition's artwork to market themselves till today can only mean that brand recognition is strong and that a ton of people really do like the game till today; I consider it a win for BW considering the work they had to do to put RPG wheels on Frostbite and limitations stemming from old gen. Mark's entire point was that time of game's release has an impact on reception, so in order to support his own argument he mentions DAI, which was released under different circumstances that have given DAI a fairer shot at the overall score. I mean, the fact that people try and force comparisons between DAI and a game that was released half a year later is enough of proof that he's onto something here, regardless whether MEA needed more polish.
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Fernando Melo DiscoBabalooQuick update today (to line up future apex missions) also updates equipment available in item store (more items now avail & they refresh more frequently, hopefully making it easier for those seeking any elusive items) #MEAMP [HASH]MET
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Post by smilesja on Jul 10, 2018 22:36:16 GMT
Though I will take issue with his slight backhand at Inquisition. It met high praise at the time because it was that good. Even now, Inquisition manages to regularly be listed as a favourite this generation... despite attempts by TW3’s vile zealots to bury Inquisition (not all fans, but this board knows that little group of hostile fanboys plaguing the internet). Andromeda is rarely listed as such. Even though I would say it is one of the best games of the gen, I can admit it doesn’t hold the stature of Inquisition. Mark did not need to belittle that success. Since I'd just be repeating myself: I wouldn't read too much into it. Because you know what other company explicitly stated (in Shreier's book) that they were lucky when it comes to time window their game was published? CDPR with Witcher 3. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that they got a somewhat favorable release window. You yourself point out that Inquisition manages to be regularly listed as a fav in this generation - and considering that EA keeps frequently reusing Inquisition's artwork to market themselves till today can only mean that brand recognition is strong and that a ton of people really do like the game till today; I consider it a win for BW considering the work they had to do to put RPG wheels on Frostbite and limitations stemming from old gen. Mark's entire point was that time of game's release has an impact on reception, so in order to support his own argument he mentions DAI, which was released under different circumstances that have given DAI a fairer shot at the overall score. I mean, the fact that people try and force comparisons between DAI and a game that was released half a year later is enough of proof that he's onto something here, regardless whether MEA needed more polish. Judging by how people scream that DAI only got the praise it got because it was a weak year in gaming you would think it would be a failure. Anyway I just think his comments just bring concern for me about Mass Effects direction.
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I don't use twitter, but the galaxy could do with some good news.
v0.75-beta for Spectre Expansion Mod has just been released!
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 10, 2018 22:57:04 GMT
Judging by how people scream that DAI only got the praise it got because it was a weak year in gaming you would think it would be a failure. Anyway I just think his comments just bring concern for me about Mass Effects direction. They also scream about how well TW3 did in the supposedly superior year of 2015... despite the developers easily admitting that they were lucky with their release date. People can and will scream and twist things to fit their narrative if they want so. That doesn't mean that what Mark did was pandering to them. They'd scream and twist regardless of what he said.
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Post by river82 on Jul 10, 2018 23:15:16 GMT
supposedly superior year of 2015... 2015 was a superior year especially for RPGs, but the Witcher released in May and managed to dodge Fallout 4, their primary competition, which released in November. Xenoblade Chronicles might have provided some sale pressure if it wasn't a Wii exclusive ... I mean, if it was actually a good game. The closest competition in the year of 2014 was Shadow of Mordor, and everybody was talking about the gimmick in Mordor and not the game. So basically Inquisition was up against not a great game, but a great idea. I remember having to explain to people on the official Bioware forums that Mordor didn't deserve to win because it was an average game with a gimmick *rolls eyes* Anyway I just think his comments just bring concern for me about Mass Effects direction. It would concern me more if the people at Bioware couldn't critique themselves in any sort of credible way. That wouldn't bode well for the direction of ME at all
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Post by smilesja on Jul 10, 2018 23:20:25 GMT
You know maybe people thought that Mordor was a good game and I’m pretty sure that bioware critiques itself daily.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 10, 2018 23:27:36 GMT
So one forum full of people think it’s overrated? Stop trying to downplay DAIs success especially if you don’t like it.
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Post by river82 on Jul 10, 2018 23:32:40 GMT
So one forum full of people think it’s overrated? Stop trying to downplay DAIs success especially if you don’t like it. If it releases in an easy release window, it releases in an easy release window. People get you like Inquisition, but it does nobody any good to deny the facts.
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Post by midnight tea on Jul 10, 2018 23:48:16 GMT
supposedly superior year of 2015... 2015 was a superior year especially for RPGs, but the Witcher released in May and managed to dodge Fallout 4, their primary competition, which released in November. Xenoblade Chronicles might have provided some sale pressure if it wasn't a Wii exclusive ... I mean, if it was actually a good game. The closest competition in the year of 2014 was Shadow of Mordor, and everybody was talking about the gimmick in Mordor and not the game. So basically Inquisition was up against not a great game, but a great idea. I remember having to explain to people on the official Bioware forums that Mordor didn't deserve to win because it was an average game with a gimmick *rolls eyes* 2014 was also a year of Dark Souls 2, Divinity: Original Sin, and SP: The Stick of Truth. Anyway, the thing is that if Mark's theory is accurate it basically dismantles the notion of superior years because - as it has been laid out above, including your comment - games don't necessarily have to compete with other across the span of a whole year or across all genres; seems that large games, like RPGs, do better when there's about half a year of breathing room between them and what people consider to be their direct competitors.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 11, 2018 7:24:18 GMT
So one forum full of people think it’s overrated? Stop trying to downplay DAIs success especially if you don’t like it. If it releases in an easy release window, it releases in an easy release window. People get you like Inquisition, but it does nobody any good to deny the facts. Nor that you deny it's sucess.
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Post by river82 on Jul 11, 2018 11:49:51 GMT
If it releases in an easy release window, it releases in an easy release window. People get you like Inquisition, but it does nobody any good to deny the facts. Nor that you deny it's sucess. Point out for me the part where I "denied its success". Downplay? Sure, I'll give you that, I agree with Darrah when he said Inquisition benefited from their release window, but I'm not going to deny Inquisition was a success when it clearly was.
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Post by bshep on Jul 11, 2018 22:50:35 GMT
2015 was a superior year especially for RPGs, but the Witcher released in May and managed to dodge Fallout 4, their primary competition, which released in November. Xenoblade Chronicles might have provided some sale pressure if it wasn't a Wii exclusive ... I mean, if it was actually a good game. The closest competition in the year of 2014 was Shadow of Mordor, and everybody was talking about the gimmick in Mordor and not the game. So basically Inquisition was up against not a great game, but a great idea. I remember having to explain to people on the official Bioware forums that Mordor didn't deserve to win because it was an average game with a gimmick *rolls eyes* 2014 was also a year of Dark Souls 2, Divinity: Original Sin, and SP: The Stick of Truth. Anyway, the thing is that if Mark's theory is accurate it basically dismantles the notion of superior years because - as it has been laid out above, including your comment - games don't necessarily have to compete with other across the span of a whole year or across all genres; seems that large games, like RPGs, do better when there's about half a year of breathing room between them and what people consider to be their direct competitors. Quoted for truth.
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Post by Marduk on Jul 14, 2018 11:29:28 GMT
While he basically called DAI lucky and MEA inferior, he is not saying they are bad games. his attempt was flawed though. for example DAI may got lucky, but it doesn't necessarily takes away from it's value yet he seems more focused on the luck part.
I wouldn't read too much into it. Because you know what other company explicitly stated (in Shreier's book) that they were lucky when it comes to time window their game was published? CDPR with Witcher 3. Yea i don't think Mark is pandering and he is not necessarily wrong. CDPR's Iwinski had a similar feeling regarding The Witcher 3 when Eurogamer interviewed him back in 2014. just not a fan of Mark's approach based on the situation. of course those that twist things to fit their narrative would continue their work regardless but i still prefer if they are have less material to abuse.
I liked 2015 more than 2014 and a packed year may affect certain aspects but 2014 is treated harshly when it has enough quality games.
Bayonetta 2, Dark Souls 2, Original Sin, Shadow of Mordor, Forza Horizon 2, South Park: Stick of Truth, Legend of Grimrock 2, Shadowrun: Dragonfall, The Vanishing of Ethan Carter, The Banner Saga, Sunset Overdrive, Wolfenstein a New Order, Alien Isolation, The Talos Principle and more are all 2014 games. seems like acclaimed PS4 exclusives have an easier time standing out in comparison at least.
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July's celebratory mission is up … guess the bad AC delayed the announcement.
Bronze, Aqua, Roekaar, hyper shields, tech challenge.
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The hardcover book with the 3 Alistair stories is really nice. Wonder if they will do the same with the 3 new stories (Knight Errant, Mage Killer and the new one).
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Sanshee @teamsanshee All I'm going to say is: Fans of #MassEffect should keep an eye here in the next few days, we'll have something new to show off (once we're done with calibrations 😉)
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Sanshee @teamsansheeAll I'm going to say is: Fans of #MassEffect should keep an eye here in the next few days, we'll have something new to show off (once we're done with calibrations 😉) [HASH]MET Who is this? I genuinely don't know.
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