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Post by Beerfish on Dec 4, 2016 19:33:55 GMT
I sure hope no one greeting this RageUnderFire goofball in the official forum greeting thread, just littering the forum with inane personal comment threads.
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 4, 2016 19:44:13 GMT
That conversation was a joke between three drunk guys watching a stripper dance. Don't overthink simple things. As i stated above is a much more likely to be simply a effect of their financial power, their cultural/political influence and their veiw of sex on the galaxy instead of some crazy mind control conspiracy theory. Just as the europeans imposed their ideal of beauty when they conquered half the world. I disagree. That was simply reinforcing information we had already had over the course of the three games. The wiki states it as being the case and also mentions Mordin hypothesizing over it's cause. The joke reinforces what we know about the Asari, it is not a standalone thing.
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Post by RageUnderFire on Dec 4, 2016 20:17:52 GMT
I sure hope no one greeting this RageUnderFire goofball in the official forum greeting thread, just littering the forum with inane personal comment threads. Your level is lowered if no one says hi to you on an internet forum. Get out of my thread weakling.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 4, 2016 20:32:15 GMT
I disagree. That was simply reinforcing information we had already had over the course of the three games. The wiki states it as being the case and also mentions Mordin hypothesizing over it's cause. The joke reinforces what we know about the Asari, it is not a standalone thing. But we should remember that wikis can be edited by anyone.If one of us edited it so that the wiki said that Harbinger was love with Shepard due to it's fixation on them in ME2, it'd have just as much evidence backing it up as three drunk guys discussing why they think Asari are considered attractive by their species. Mordin hypothesising on this phenomenon is not necessarily evidence for the theory either, since he is a little eccentric. We've also seen that Mordin enjoys coming up with and testing various hypotheses as a fun way to keep busy, when he's not working on something. He even acknowledged that he'd never be able to spend his retirement relaxing on the beach, without wanting to run tests on the seashells washed up on the shore. Proving/disproving tinfoil theories are like Mordin's version of Sudoku.
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Post by ddraigcoch123 on Dec 4, 2016 20:39:55 GMT
how low or high will their sexual value be to Andromliens? Will it be a Milky Way like situation where anyone is capable of screwing Asari? Will there be unique biological differences between Milky Way Natives and Andromliens that makes screwing Asari a task exclusive to the former? It would be hilarious to have a cutscene where the Andromedans state how ugly they find the asari and humans to be. Imagine how desperate some of the people asking for an Andromedan LI would become. Have you seen how butt ugly those angorans (wrong spelling but they look like grey goats) are and the Khet are melted rock face... thanks I'll be sticking to my lovely, lithe Asari's for any form of 'love' interest you can take the girl out of the milky way but you can't take the... cough... Asari/Milky Way out of the girl...
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 4, 2016 21:20:02 GMT
I disagree. That was simply reinforcing information we had already had over the course of the three games. The wiki states it as being the case and also mentions Mordin hypothesizing over it's cause. The joke reinforces what we know about the Asari, it is not a standalone thing. But we should remember that wikis can be edited by anyone.If one of us edited it so that the wiki said that Harbinger was love with Shepard due to it's fixation on them in ME2, it'd have just as much evidence backing it up as three drunk guys discussing why they think Asari are considered attractive by their species. Mordin hypothesising on this phenomenon is not necessarily evidence for the theory either, since he is a little eccentric. We've also seen that Mordin enjoys coming up with and testing various hypotheses as a fun way to keep busy, when he's not working on something. He even acknowledged that he'd never be able to spend his retirement relaxing on the beach, without wanting to run tests on the seashells washed up on the shore. Proving/disproving tinfoil theories are like Mordin's version of Sudoku. I went to the Wiki because I remembered it from the game and wanted the source. I don't believe that it's inaccurate in any way. Mordin's conclusion is not the point either. The fact that he is trying to make up a theory to explain the phenomenon proves that there is a phenomenon, or at least a perception of the phernomenon, within the ME Universe. It's not just some jokey conversation at one bar in ME3. It's an established belief of multiple species in game. There was also a conversation in the Eternity bar in ME2 between a Salarian, Human and Turian discussing the exact same thing with the human wondering whether it is mind control. I'm not saying whether it is mind control, pheremones or just coincidence but it is a very definite thing being alluded to multiple times within the game. It also makes perfect sense that a species that needs to mate with other species to procreate would have some way to make themselves attractive to those species. To dismiss the possibility as overthinking is quite wrong, IMO.
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Post by SofNascimento on Dec 4, 2016 21:40:15 GMT
The Protheans did a good job with the Asari as sex tools, they will probably look attractive to Andromeda's aliens as well.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 4, 2016 21:44:47 GMT
I never understood how asari could be considered sexy to every race of aliens. Sorry they look the most like humans that is true but most turians are not attracted to humans yet find asari attractive. The same with most species.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 4, 2016 21:46:42 GMT
The Protheans did a good job with the Asari as sex tools, they will probably look attractive to Andromeda's aliens as well. okay this makes more sense. The protheans would have been able to figure out what the other races were attracted to and altered the asari in some way
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 21:50:13 GMT
The Protheans did a good job with the Asari as sex tools, they will probably look attractive to Andromeda's aliens as well. okay this makes more sense. The protheans would have been able to figure out what the other races were attracted to and altered the asari in some way Provided the Protheans did even know/care about other populated galaxies... they probably did, though.
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Post by bshep on Dec 4, 2016 21:54:00 GMT
Grabing Mordin untesteed ideas (which he didn't had any proof to support them) or a conversation between three happy drunk guys in a bar can't really be counted as evidence.
By the way, the MassEffect wikia never stated any kind of hypothesis because there is no evidence supporting it, they just mentioned both conversations above. If someone tried to make one there it would be taken off really fast because the ME Wikia has zero tolerance against "theories" without evidence.
This looks like IT all over again to me, so i have no desire to continue with this discussion and this is my last post on the matter.
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Post by warbaby2 on Dec 4, 2016 22:05:34 GMT
I always thought it's a scifie nerds favorite past time to discuss trivial technicalities, no need to be so serious about it... jeez.
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Post by Sifr on Dec 4, 2016 23:03:34 GMT
I went to the Wiki because I remembered it from the game and wanted the source. I don't believe that it's inaccurate in any way. Mordin's conclusion is not the point either. The fact that he is trying to make up a theory to explain the phenomenon proves that there is a phenomenon, or at least a perception of the phernomenon, within the ME Universe. It's not just some jokey conversation at one bar in ME3. It's an established belief of multiple species in game. There was also a conversation in the Eternity bar in ME2 between a Salarian, Human and Turian discussing the exact same thing with the human wondering whether it is mind control. I'm not saying whether it is mind control, pheremones or just coincidence but it is a very definite thing being alluded to multiple times within the game. It also makes perfect sense that a species that needs to mate with other species to procreate would have some way to make themselves attractive to those species. To dismiss the possibility as overthinking is quite wrong, IMO. The conversation in ME2 between the drunken stag do and Mordin idly musing on it, are the only time that this crops up in the game. Those two instances where it's discussed do not mean it's an established belief or the theory has any weight behind it. Humans can often see shapes in random patterns, but does not mean there's some deeper meaning behind why you think that cloud looks like a bunny.
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Post by DragonEffect on Dec 8, 2016 18:55:05 GMT
That conversation was a joke between three drunk guys watching a stripper dance. Don't overthink simple things. As i stated above is a much more likely to be simply a effect of their financial power, their cultural/political influence and their veiw of sex on the galaxy instead of some crazy mind control conspiracy theory. Just as the europeans imposed their ideal of beauty when they conquered half the world. From the way you talk, it's like you actually created the concept fot the asari, since you give the impression you know best about the lore. You're not a dev, so what's with the attitude? Are you entitled to the truth now? Or can other people freely express their opinion without being ridiculed? And why does it bother you what other people think about the game and its contents? The reason why asari are attractive to different species was left a mystery in the ME series. There's only speculation about it. Is it neurochemical, is it skin tone, nobody knows for sure. Given that a species with no sex drive (salarians) can have their libido stimulated by the asari, that opens the possibility for there being something other than biological factors that influence other species' libido. And the player is free to speculate on that. And thanks, but I don't like tinfoil hats. Nor do I tell anyone to wear them. I don't like to make other people look stupid.
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Post by peebee on Dec 8, 2016 20:10:23 GMT
Finally someone asking the real questions in here
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Dec 8, 2016 20:34:17 GMT
how low or high will their sexual value be to Andromliens? Will it be a Milky Way like situation where anyone is capable of screwing Asari? Will there be unique biological differences between Milky Way Natives and Andromliens that makes screwing Asari a task exclusive to the former? It would be hilarious to have a cutscene where the Andromedans state how ugly they find the asari and humans to be. Imagine how desperate some of the people asking for an Andromedan LI would become. I don't think it'd be necessarily hilarious; I think it would open the door for some very interesting storytelling. As much of a dick as I may sound saying this, it's pretty obvious that Asari dominance on the milky way had a lot to do with how desirable they were to pretty much every race. If their space-feromone-magic somehow backfires in Adromeda, and the natives read them as ugly and/or disgusting, this would pretty much lead to a very deep questioning of themselves, their racial identity and, ultimately, culture. I'd like to see that!
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 8, 2016 20:37:06 GMT
It would be hilarious to have a cutscene where the Andromedans state how ugly they find the asari and humans to be. Imagine how desperate some of the people asking for an Andromedan LI would become. I don't think it'd be necessarily hilarious; I think it would open the door for some very interesting storytelling. As much of a dick as I may sound saying this, it's pretty obvious that Asari dominance on the milky way had a lot to do with how desirable they were to pretty much every race. If their space-feromone-magic somehow backfires in Adromeda, and the natives read them as ugly and/or disgusting, this would pretty much lead to a very deep questioning of themselves, their racial identity and, ultimately, culture. I'd like to see that! I'd say it had more to do with the giant Prothean data cache the Matriarchs were hiding from the rest of the galaxy, including their own people even high up ones like the Asari Councilor, after they were part of making that a criminal offense. The Protheans saw the Asari as their heirs and made sure to give them to tools to do that. That made it so they were always a step ahead of the other races when it came to technology which guaranteed dominance.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 8, 2016 20:40:49 GMT
As for the Asari manipulating people to see them as attractive, we know that is false for one simple reason: we have pictures of Asari. Pictures are unable to change themselves and we see that the Asari in those pictures look exactly like how we see them in person.
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Post by JayKay on Dec 8, 2016 21:54:12 GMT
Speaking of asari traversing the new Andromeda galaxy, I'm just imagining a group of them trying to figure out what the most sapient species of the world is, because no one wants to be the one that's remembered for melding with that planet's equivalent of a pyjack.
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Post by bohemiadrinker on Dec 8, 2016 22:05:56 GMT
I don't think it'd be necessarily hilarious; I think it would open the door for some very interesting storytelling. As much of a dick as I may sound saying this, it's pretty obvious that Asari dominance on the milky way had a lot to do with how desirable they were to pretty much every race. If their space-feromone-magic somehow backfires in Adromeda, and the natives read them as ugly and/or disgusting, this would pretty much lead to a very deep questioning of themselves, their racial identity and, ultimately, culture. I'd like to see that! I'd say it had more to do with the giant Prothean data cache the Matriarchs were hiding from the rest of the galaxy, including their own people even high up ones like the Asari Councilor, after they were part of making that a criminal offense. The Protheans saw the Asari as their heirs and made sure to give them to tools to do that. That made it so they were always a step ahead of the other races when it came to technology which guaranteed dominance. "A lot to do" doesn't mean "the only reason". IF batarians had that tech, for instance, or Turians, the milky way would have been a very different place.
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Post by garrusfan1 on Dec 9, 2016 1:50:45 GMT
Speaking of asari traversing the new Andromeda galaxy, I'm just imagining a group of them trying to figure out what the most sapient species of the world is, because no one wants to be the one that's remembered for melding with that planet's equivalent of a pyjack. Oh that is good.
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Post by bshep on Dec 9, 2016 4:21:28 GMT
That conversation was a joke between three drunk guys watching a stripper dance. Don't overthink simple things. As i stated above is a much more likely to be simply a effect of their financial power, their cultural/political influence and their veiw of sex on the galaxy instead of some crazy mind control conspiracy theory. Just as the europeans imposed their ideal of beauty when they conquered half the world. From the way you talk, it's like you actually created the concept fot the asari, since you give the impression you know best about the lore. You're not a dev, so what's with the attitude? Are you entitled to the truth now? Or can other people freely express their opinion without being ridiculed? And why does it bother you what other people think about the game and its contents? The reason why asari are attractive to different species was left a mystery in the ME series. There's only speculation about it. Is it neurochemical, is it skin tone, nobody knows for sure. Given that a species with no sex drive (salarians) can have their libido stimulated by the asari, that opens the possibility for there being something other than biological factors that influence other species' libido. And the player is free to speculate on that. And thanks, but I don't like tinfoil hats. Nor do I tell anyone to wear them. I don't like to make other people look stupid. I am not talking about truths, I am talking about evidence. And there is none to support that kind of claim. Grabbing two out out of context conversations doesn't not count as proof to back it up. You can't just cut the evidence to fit in you theory and expect everyone to agree with you. I am pretty sure you don't do that in your professional/academic life unless you want to get burned, so why do it here? That is why i always refer to the stabilished lore when trying to propose any kind of idea and i never agree with any kind of idea which doesn't do the same. ps: the tinfoil hat was supposed to be a joke (hence all the emoticons), but if it got you angry i apologize for that. As for the Asari manipulating people to see them as attractive, we know that is false for one simple reason: we have pictures of Asari. Pictures are unable to change themselves and we see that the Asari in those pictures look exactly like how we see them in person. I would say you won the argument with this.
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Post by JayKay on Dec 9, 2016 6:35:43 GMT
Speaking of asari traversing the new Andromeda galaxy, I'm just imagining a group of them trying to figure out what the most sapient species of the world is, because no one wants to be the one that's remembered for melding with that planet's equivalent of a pyjack. Oh that is good. Similarly, I can see a group of people, asari or human or any of the other MW folks aggressively rating the hotness of the Andromeda aliens. "Okay, hot, hot, not hot, not hot, SUPER hot, not hot, hot, hot, I'd hit it--with a shockwave..."
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 9, 2016 10:36:50 GMT
I am not talking about truths, I am talking about evidence. And there is none to support that kind of claim. Grabbing two out out of context conversations doesn't not count as proof to back it up. You can't just cut the evidence to fit in you theory and expect everyone to agree with you. I am pretty sure you don't do that in your professional/academic life unless you want to get burned, so why do it here? That is why i always refer to the stabilished lore when trying to propose any kind of idea and i never agree with any kind of idea which doesn't do the same. I don't think anyone is suggesting that anything is proven but if characters in-game are free to speculate why can't we? Nor do I see anything being "out of context" in the aforementioned conversations. At least three places in game have different races discussing the strangeness they perceive in the universal attractiveness of the Asari. What's out of context about those conversations? The fact that drink is involved? Mordin's musings are about as in-context as you can get. Plus the fact that we've seen Asari with various races who don't resemble them in any way (Krogan, Elcor etc.) has got to make you wonder. Why would such creatures consider someone who looks so vastly different, attractive enough to want to mate with them over a member of their own species? It's no wonder there is speculation in game about the strangeness of that. Why is it so unreasonable that we should specuilate similarly?
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