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Post by Catilina on Jul 24, 2017 23:31:32 GMT
I wouldn't say I dislike Morrigan as such and I do appreciate what she brings to the game, but her "evil for evil's sake" attitude can get somewhat annoying. She's not as clever as she thinks she is. I found Wynne more useful in combat too. That said, I liked Morrigan a lot more in Inquisition. She seems to have grown up quite a bit. Yes, indeed. But she's not really evil, rather pragmatic (ofc, what she sees as pragmatic, you're right, she not as smart, as she thinks, but not even stupid), due to his upbringing. Mithal not a kind person...
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Post by oyabun on Jul 25, 2017 0:19:20 GMT
I wouldn't say I dislike Morrigan as such and I do appreciate what she brings to the game, but her "evil for evil's sake" attitude can get somewhat annoying. She's not as clever as she thinks she is. I found Wynne more useful in combat too. That said, I liked Morrigan a lot more in Inquisition. She seems to have grown up quite a bit. Yes, indeed. But she's not really evil, rather pragmatic (ofc, what she sees as pragmatic, you're right, she not as smart, as she thinks, but not even stupid), due to his upbringing. Mithal not a kind person... I didn't see her as the pragmatic kind of person in DAO and DAI so to speak,if by pragmatic you mean the litteral sense of the word(doing things that affect reality without any concern for morality). Morrigan is the opposite of that as she oftentime did not cared to make advices based on wheter effect they could had(positive or negative for the cause)but just by following her own internal moral code. I also don't like when players blame the environment or others persons in order to justify others characters,because that basically kills the concept of accountability for anyone,so i think is just weak argument to put the blame for Morrigan owns conscious words or choices to this or that person(Mythal,Flemeth,the environment ,or whatever)because the same thing can be said for everyone. Example with Caladrius; Caladrius has no blame for what he did because just as Morrigan he was raised in a bad environment,and so he is free from any accountability with regard of his way of life because it wasn't his fault,it was the environment.
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Post by Catilina on Jul 25, 2017 0:34:36 GMT
Yes, indeed. But she's not really evil, rather pragmatic (ofc, what she sees as pragmatic, you're right, she not as smart, as she thinks, but not even stupid), due to his upbringing. Mithal not a kind person... I didn't see her as the pragmatic kind of person in DAO and DAI so to speak,if by pragmatic you mean the litteral sense of the word(doing things that affect reality without any concern for morality). Morrigan is the opposite of that as she oftentime did not cared to make advices based on wheter effect they could had(positive or negative for the cause)but just by following her own internal moral code. I also don't like when players blame the environment or others persons in order to justify others characters,because that basically kills the concept of accountability for anyone,so i think is just weak argument to put the blame for Morrigan owns conscious words or choices to this or that person(Mythal,Flemeth,the environment ,or whatever)because the same thing can be said for everyone. Example with Caladrius; Caladrius has no blame for what he did because just as Morrigan he was raised in a bad environment,and so he is free from any accountability with regard of his way of life because it wasn't his fault,it was the environment. You're wrong. The upbringing and the environment's influence count a lot. It's hard to break away from the roots. Dorian, for example, doesn't care about the slavery. Fenris, can't see the suffering of the Mages in Souther-Thedas. Both are hindered by their past. Morrigan learned to survive, not live. The problem, if the people can't learn from others' or/and their own mistakes. Morrigan able.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 10:42:25 GMT
i guess Morrigan, i dislike her the same way Alistair does, but not completely, yeah, it's irritating like a mosquito, annoying, etc etc, but i comprehend some of his behaviour, so is not a totally dislike, but yeah, going character per character, she gains the vote.
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Post by Sokemis on Sept 28, 2017 2:38:59 GMT
I didn't found Sten to be funny,his main personality is the opposite of that,the only reason why I don't dislike him is exactly because he doesn't always try to be sarcastic like the majority of the cast in DAO. Sten is VERY funny and good character in many aspects. I honestly didn't expect to like Sten as much as I did. His dry, dead-pan style of humor won me over though. I just don't understand it when people say that Sten doesn't have a sense of humor (same for Fenris).
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Post by davesin on Sept 28, 2017 7:37:22 GMT
I don't precisely hate anyone per se... it's more like I don't care about certain people. After several playthoughs, I just realised that Leliana is such a case. Well, I romanced her in some games, but overall, I tend to skip her dialogue. I don't really buy her vision*, I can't listen to her stories (I'm falling asleep) and I guess I share Morrigan's view on matters of... overly romantic things ("Does anyone want to vomit right now? No?").
* and now that I think about it... I tend to skip Cassandra's and Giselle's dialogues as well! Those religious people, always putting the Maker in their banter...
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Post by skrillex on Sept 28, 2017 15:24:20 GMT
Morrigan. She feels half woman and half plot device and seem unbelievable tunnel-visioned for all the things she opposes through the game
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Post by Superhik on Oct 1, 2017 20:38:25 GMT
Sten...sounds like shoe polishing brand or something.
Didn't have problem with him as it is, but some of the player dialogue ( more if playing as a chick) with him was incredibly stupid.
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Post by Sokemis on Oct 2, 2017 1:40:02 GMT
Aww, poor Sten. I like all of the characters, but yeah.. it takes time to get to know them. You get used to the humour too. I remember the first few times I played Origins. I didn't like Oghren at all and couldn't be bothered dealing with him. After talking with everyone over the course of a later playthrough and really getting to know them, it's much more rewarding to experience Origins with a party of good friends. This is how I've approached BW games in recent years and it's great. Not sucking up to all the characters for max approval, but just talking with them as much as possible. I might be playing a character who doesn't even like them, but it's still always interesting. That last part especially. My canon Warden did not know what to make of Sten, but she kept asking him questions (as weird as is sounds, I think he almost respected the fact that she thought to ask but, especially early on, was annoyed that she actually did ask). She quite often didn't agree with his philosophy and would let him know it, usually quite forcefully. She still actually managed to max out his approval fairly early through dialogue alone (maybe some actions, but no gifts) - 'course it probably didn't hurt that she not only got his style of humor, but would throw it right back at him. And she had Sten maxed well before even maxing out her LI through dialogue, sex, and gifts.
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Post by tacsear on Oct 2, 2017 16:47:02 GMT
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Post by q5tyhj on Oct 3, 2017 3:42:44 GMT
Oghren is the only one who didn't do anything for me: love them or hate them, the rest are all interesting characters, while Oghren is just sort of... blah
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Post by vertigomez on Oct 10, 2017 3:28:39 GMT
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Post by Biodron on Oct 12, 2017 5:56:27 GMT
wow so much hate for morrigan, wtf : (
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Post by skrillex on Oct 13, 2017 20:18:56 GMT
wow so much hate for morrigan, wtf : ( It's all well deserved tbh. *You come across a baby on the sidewalk.* 1. Curb stomp the baby. 2. Don't curb stomp the baby. *You choose option 2.* Morrigan disapproves (-7) *You come across a strange man in a cell.* Stranger: Hello? I'm imprisoned because I murdered 4 families. If you let me out, I have a surprise for you. Morrigan: Let this poor soul out. He does not deserve this. *You set him free.* Morrigan approves (+1) Not to mention those Tevinter slavers which she support....and if I'm not mistaken she is the only party member who can abandon the warden two times in a single game regardless of approval.
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Post by melbella on Oct 14, 2017 17:51:41 GMT
Not to mention lying through her teeth:
Early in the game: I have no idea why my mother sent me with you.
Late in the game: This is why my mother sent me with you. Did you really think it was because she liked you?
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Post by Catilina on Oct 15, 2017 13:52:25 GMT
I've never understood why many of her fans claimed in the past that she never lied. It takes to distort the events and dialogues of the game to deny it. She's one of the most honest characters.
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Post by Kei on Oct 15, 2017 13:54:55 GMT
and if I'm not mistaken she is the only party member who can abandon the warden two times in a single game regardless of approval. Both times she leaves if you don't do what she wants,on killing her mother and/or on destroying the spirit of the dragon. melbellaI've never understood why many of her fans claimed in the past that she never lied. It takes to distort the events and dialogues of the game to deny it.
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Post by Kei on Oct 15, 2017 13:56:23 GMT
I've never understood why many of her fans claimed in the past that she never lied. It takes to distort the events and dialogues of the game to deny it. She's one of the most honest characters. Honest about what? Honest about deceiving the Warden or honest about deceiving the Inquisitor?Or honest about deceiving the Marquis?
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Post by melbella on Oct 15, 2017 15:52:13 GMT
Morrigan is blunt but certainly not honest when it comes to her plans and what she's up to. Even if you ask her point blank, like the Warden does, she won't tell you the truth (until much later, when it suits her plans).
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Post by doflamingodonquijote on Oct 15, 2017 18:44:45 GMT
Morrigan is blunt but certainly not honest when it comes to her plans and what she's up to. Even if you ask her point blank, like the Warden does, she won't tell you the truth (until much later, when it suits her plans). The same is with the Inquisitor when she doesn't reveal what she translated in the temple up until it was convinient for her to do so. And I remember she even made an oath to the Inquisitor prior to that quest,in which she said to always aid them to the best of her abilities....
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Post by boxofscreaming on Oct 16, 2017 18:10:03 GMT
I've changed my mind about Morrigan. After hearing her recommend "the peace of the grave" to Flemeth I realised she is hilarious.
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Post by scarlet on Oct 31, 2017 13:18:15 GMT
I didn't really like Oghren, but I don't know why I can forgive him the sex jokes he made to Alistair. Maybe because he reminds me of Krogans
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Post by TheHeroOfFerelden on Oct 31, 2017 15:38:46 GMT
Why so much Morrigan hate? Personally,every companion has a special place in my heart,but i'd lie if said that Morrigan isn't on a whole other level for me. She's my wife! And trust me,it took a lot of convincing inside that Eluvian to make her accept my proposal
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Post by Exile Isan on Nov 16, 2017 15:30:55 GMT
Why so much Morrigan hate? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that she tried to convince my Tabris to sacrifice Cyrion (my PC's father) in a blood magic ritual for a little gain in power, that didn't really endear Morrigan to me. I get that she hates Flemeth, but that doesn't mean everyone wants to kill their parent(s). In my games Morrigan usually ends up parked at camp, this way I can actually tolerate her. I prefer Morrigan in DAI, especially if she has Kieran. She feels more "human". Oghren is my least favorite, but since he is not on this poll I haven't voted.
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Post by Sokemis on Nov 16, 2017 21:27:38 GMT
Why so much Morrigan hate? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that she tried to convince my Tabris to sacrifice Cyrion (my PC's father) in a blood magic ritual for a little gain in power, that didn't really endear Morrigan to me. I get that she hates Flemeth, but that doesn't mean everyone wants to kill their parent(s). In my games Morrigan usually ends up parked at camp, this way I can actually tolerate her. I prefer Morrigan in DAI, especially if she has Kieran. She feels more "human". Oghren is my least favorite, but since he is not on this poll I haven't voted. Yikes, didn't realize Morrigan actually was willing to go along with that. She's lucky my Tabris didn't take her along to the Alienage... she probably would have tried to kill Morrigan right then and there. (Mine took Wynne instead, figured if there was a chance her family was hurt/sick, she wanted the healer along to help them).
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