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Post by BioFan on Dec 11, 2016 20:30:15 GMT
An in-depth look and analysis of the game awards gameplay trailer for Mass Effect: Andromeda focusing on aspects of the footage you may not have noticed. Mass Effect: Andromeda is currently set to release Spring 2017, with further gameplay details coming in January.
What'd you notice in the trailer? What was your favorite thing shown in the footage? What're you curious to learn more about?
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Post by Antibaar on Dec 11, 2016 20:40:03 GMT
Finally...many thanks Biofan,I will start watch right now.
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Post by GannayevOfDreams on Dec 11, 2016 23:22:38 GMT
Good video. I like being given time to look at all the details without having to watch the trailer a dozen times in a row.
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Post by peebee on Dec 12, 2016 2:11:18 GMT
Great video! I love how you take your time and show really cool stuff you notice, the effort you put into this was amazing! Keep rockin'
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 12, 2016 3:09:31 GMT
Do we have any astronomers here who can tell me with confidence that an accretion disk must produce high-intensity visible light? I keep looking at that huge body at the center of the cluster and suspecting that it might be very important to the story. Maybe it's artificial, maybe not. It certainly looks like a very dark, dreary representation of a black hole. Could that be a viable representation of a black hole? Nice video, BioFan. Finally, someone noticed something I had not seen on my own. I had not noticed the asari with PeeBee masks. This gives me hope that we might be able to convince her to wash her face. Also, I like the speculation regarding the faces of Liam and Cora. Very thorough, detailed observations and analyses. If someone were going to watch only one video, this would be the one to watch. I think you covered virtually everything, in some fashion. Very well done!
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Post by KamenRyder on Dec 12, 2016 3:50:23 GMT
Do we have any astronomers here who can tell me with confidence that an accretion disk must produce high-intensity visible light? I keep looking at that huge body at the center of the cluster and suspecting that it might be very important to the story. Maybe it's artificial, maybe not. It certainly looks like a very dark, dreary representation of a black hole. Could that be a viable representation of a black hole? Nice video, BioFan. Finally, someone noticed something I had not seen on my own. I had not noticed the asari with PeeBee masks. This gives me hope that we might be able to convince her to wash her face. Also, I like the speculation regarding the faces of Liam and Cora. Very thorough, detailed observations and analyses. If someone were going to watch only one video, this would be the one to watch. I think you covered virtually everything, in some fashion. Very well done! Somebody in the comments said it could be a dark star.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 12, 2016 4:43:14 GMT
Do we have any astronomers here who can tell me with confidence that an accretion disk must produce high-intensity visible light? I keep looking at that huge body at the center of the cluster and suspecting that it might be very important to the story. Maybe it's artificial, maybe not. It certainly looks like a very dark, dreary representation of a black hole. Could that be a viable representation of a black hole? Nice video, BioFan . Finally, someone noticed something I had not seen on my own. I had not noticed the asari with PeeBee masks. This gives me hope that we might be able to convince her to wash her face. Also, I like the speculation regarding the faces of Liam and Cora. Very thorough, detailed observations and analyses. If someone were going to watch only one video, this would be the one to watch. I think you covered virtually everything, in some fashion. Very well done! Somebody in the comments said it could be a dark star. Thanks for pointing this out to me. Since these are theoretical objects, BioWare could go in a number of imaginative, scifi directions with this. It could simply be a black hole, also; though we've already seen more vivid depictions of black holes in this very IP. I found some interesting, potential Mass Effect scifi-fodder in reading about Dark Stars, Dark-Energy Stars, and some related searches. Some of this stuff seems a bit out of date, or less in favor, scientifically, which may explain why I'd never come across it. (I'm no astronomer. I'm just a curious person who pokes his nose everywhere.) That doesn't mean it couldn't make for a great, somewhat alien and fresh concept for Andromeda.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2016 4:59:31 GMT
Do we have any astronomers here who can tell me with confidence that an accretion disk must produce high-intensity visible light? I keep looking at that huge body at the center of the cluster and suspecting that it might be very important to the story. Maybe it's artificial, maybe not. It certainly looks like a very dark, dreary representation of a black hole. Could that be a viable representation of a black hole? Yes. When a black hole is 'eating' and has an accretion disc, they become some of the brightest objects in the universe. This is because of a few factors, such as speed and temperature heating the objects caught within. Now I suppose if it was 'eating' very little it could show up dark like that just because there are too few atoms to produce the light(after all when eating nothing a black hole has no accretion disc whatsoever and is so dark as to be invisible unless it blocks the light of something), but considering how the rest of the Helius Cluster is depicted and even the accretion disc we see that wouldn't be the case since there is loads of gas and dust in it for it to feed on and generate a bright accretion disc. Other than that, I doubt it is a black hole for other reasons. For starters we would not be going to that planet if it was that close due to things like radiation, the planet seems too close to the object to still be in one piece, there is a star in the edge of that shot which seems to be even closer and yet also not effected, and with that and the further out shots that object is far too big to be a regular black hole and Andromeda only has one supermassive black hole and that's in its center.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 12, 2016 5:51:12 GMT
Do we have any astronomers here who can tell me with confidence that an accretion disk must produce high-intensity visible light? I keep looking at that huge body at the center of the cluster and suspecting that it might be very important to the story. Maybe it's artificial, maybe not. It certainly looks like a very dark, dreary representation of a black hole. Could that be a viable representation of a black hole? Yes. When a black hole is 'eating' and has an accretion disc, they become some of the brightest objects in the universe. This is because of a few factors, such as speed and temperature heating the objects caught within. Now I suppose if it was 'eating' very little it could show up dark like that just because there are too few atoms to produce the light(after all when eating nothing a black hole has no accretion disc whatsoever and is so dark as to be invisible unless it blocks the light of something), but considering how the rest of the Helius Cluster is depicted and even the accretion disc we see that wouldn't be the case since there is loads of gas and dust in it for it to feed on and generate a bright accretion disc. Other than that, I doubt it is a black hole for other reasons. For starters we would not be going to that planet if it was that close due to things like radiation, the planet seems too close to the object to still be in one piece, there is a star in the edge of that shot which seems to be even closer and yet also not effected, and with that and the further out shots that object is far too big to be a regular black hole and Andromeda only has one supermassive black hole and that's in its center. It's tough to judge just how close we really are, realistically. Between stellar parallax and potential gravitational lensing, I'm not sure I'd try to use the stars in the image to give the dark object in question (DOIQ?) a relative position. If this thing is sitting at the heart of the cluster, though, that gives us some idea, at least in regard to something. About the radiation concerns, I'm not sure that they'd be as big an issue as you think. Particularly if this were a relatively "inactive" black hole. I just attempted some quick research, and came up with a few references, all with similar answers. One was from Phil Plait, in which he explained that replacing our sun with a black hole of equal mass wouldn't be dangerous at all, beyond the fact that we'd freeze. If this were a black hole that weren't particularly active, it likely wouldn't pose a great radiation hazard to the surrounding star systems. None of this proves that this is or isn't a black hole. I'm just gathering data. I've been curious about this thing for weeks, to the point that I'd nearly started a thread about it. I have wondered whether it could be significant to the plot, or if it's simply an astronomical anchor?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Dec 12, 2016 6:27:59 GMT
Yes. When a black hole is 'eating' and has an accretion disc, they become some of the brightest objects in the universe. This is because of a few factors, such as speed and temperature heating the objects caught within. Now I suppose if it was 'eating' very little it could show up dark like that just because there are too few atoms to produce the light(after all when eating nothing a black hole has no accretion disc whatsoever and is so dark as to be invisible unless it blocks the light of something), but considering how the rest of the Helius Cluster is depicted and even the accretion disc we see that wouldn't be the case since there is loads of gas and dust in it for it to feed on and generate a bright accretion disc. Other than that, I doubt it is a black hole for other reasons. For starters we would not be going to that planet if it was that close due to things like radiation, the planet seems too close to the object to still be in one piece, there is a star in the edge of that shot which seems to be even closer and yet also not effected, and with that and the further out shots that object is far too big to be a regular black hole and Andromeda only has one supermassive black hole and that's in its center. It's tough to judge just how close we really are, realistically. Between stellar parallax and potential gravitational lensing, I'm not sure I'd try to use the stars in the image to give the dark object in question (DOIQ?) a relative position. If this thing is sitting at the heart of the cluster, though, that gives us some idea, at least in regard to something. About the radiation concerns, I'm not sure that they'd be as big an issue as you think. Particularly if this were a relatively "inactive" black hole. I just attempted some quick research, and came up with a few references, all with similar answers. One was from Phil Plait, in which he explained that replacing our sun with a black hole of equal mass wouldn't be dangerous at all, beyond the fact that we'd freeze. If this were a black hole that weren't particularly active, it likely wouldn't pose a great radiation hazard to the surrounding star systems. None of this proves that this is or isn't a black hole. I'm just gathering data. I've been curious about this thing for weeks, to the point that I'd nearly started a thread about it. I have wondered whether it could be significant to the plot, or if it's simply an astronomical anchor? I was actually thinking of the image we saw in the first AI training video that showed the entire Hellius Cluster. The object is several times larger than the stars. Personally, I think that object is part of the whole gravity well plot that is being hinted in the various videos and interviews Bioware have been showing us.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 12, 2016 6:35:50 GMT
It's tough to judge just how close we really are, realistically. Between stellar parallax and potential gravitational lensing, I'm not sure I'd try to use the stars in the image to give the dark object in question (DOIQ?) a relative position. If this thing is sitting at the heart of the cluster, though, that gives us some idea, at least in regard to something. About the radiation concerns, I'm not sure that they'd be as big an issue as you think. Particularly if this were a relatively "inactive" black hole. I just attempted some quick research, and came up with a few references, all with similar answers. One was from Phil Plait, in which he explained that replacing our sun with a black hole of equal mass wouldn't be dangerous at all, beyond the fact that we'd freeze. If this were a black hole that weren't particularly active, it likely wouldn't pose a great radiation hazard to the surrounding star systems. None of this proves that this is or isn't a black hole. I'm just gathering data. I've been curious about this thing for weeks, to the point that I'd nearly started a thread about it. I have wondered whether it could be significant to the plot, or if it's simply an astronomical anchor? I was actually thinking of the image we saw in one of the videos or that showed the entire Hellius Cluster. The object is several times larger than the stars. Personally, I think that object is part of the whole gravity well plot that is being hinted in the various videos and interviews Bioware have been showing us. Yeah, I was talking about the same object, but from a different video and perspective, most likely. We're thinking along similar lines, I believe. It could just be there as an astronomical anchor. "Oh, yeah, the Heleus Cluster has a " whatever" at its heart, holding it together". It seems very conspicuous, though. There could be a remnant party bus in there, or something. I just have a feeling that it might be important, since it's so visible, unique and it seems to be in every "space vid". I'm thinking that we will see the mass effect applied in unfamiliar ways by the remnant.
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 12, 2016 13:51:50 GMT
Good stuff. You missed a couple of aliens though. Like this gent (?): And there was another one (humanoid) in the combat segment of the video. BTW, you said you wanted to do another video. If you want to do an in-deep talk about weapons and stuff, I think I've listed all known (including the latest, Crusader) and unknown already, assuming you don't want to miss any. It's all in the CSI thread, and if by chance you want to use any of my screens or whatever, feel free no need to ask for permission or anything.
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Post by troopercameron on Dec 12, 2016 15:25:56 GMT
Nice id. Glad you caught the original N7 armor at 18:09. Hope the crafting system allows me to rock that armor for most of the playthrough.
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Post by Thrombin on Dec 12, 2016 15:44:46 GMT
I thought the whole point of a black hole was that the gravity was so intense that not even light could escape it?
I guess if they show up bright from a distance then it's the bright stuff further out from the centre that we see. But, in that case, wouldn't what we see be consistent with that, given that there does seem to be a brighter corona around it.
Someone mentioned in another analysis that they saw the Krogan in blue seeming to bow to Ryder as she went past. That does seem to be evident in this. Not just the one she goes past at the top of the stairs but the one below, also. It could just be random movement that just makes it look like it but it makes you wonder!
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Post by azarhal on Dec 12, 2016 16:05:16 GMT
I'm pretty sure it is a black hole in the trailer. The accretion disk emit light, but they aren't super bright as Interstellar are depicting. Someone mentioned in another analysis that they saw the Krogan in blue seeming to bow to Ryder as she went past. That does seem to be evident in this. Not just the one she goes past at the top of the stairs but the one below, also. It could just be random movement that just makes it look like it but it makes you wonder! Drack was with Ryder in that scene, going by how the later Krogans push Ryder around when they bring her to Kelly, they are probably bowing to Drack...if they are bowing at all.
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Post by longshadow on Dec 12, 2016 18:19:38 GMT
Nice analysis vid! Something else I noticed..seems like we are fighting against Sloane Kelly's men in the first big fight...
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Post by BioFan on Dec 12, 2016 20:36:47 GMT
Good stuff. You missed a couple of aliens though. Like this gent (?): And there was another one (humanoid) in the combat segment of the video. BTW, you said you wanted to do another video. If you want to do an in-deep talk about weapons and stuff, I think I've listed all known (including the latest, Crusader) and unknown already, assuming you don't want to miss any. It's all in the CSI thread, and if by chance you want to use any of my screens or whatever, feel free no need to ask for permission or anything. I spent a good hour looking at that guy. He's a male turian wearing a welding helmet actually. Notice his legs and his back protrusion thing
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Post by CHRrOME on Dec 12, 2016 20:52:27 GMT
I spent a good hour looking at that guy. He's a male turian wearing a welding helmet actually. Notice his legs and his back protrusion thing Hmm... it's a possibility. Everything but the head is very Turian-like I admit, specially the shape of the chest armor. But whatever that thing on his/her head is, it must be a full helmet then. It has bright big orange eyes, and I'm not seeing anything resembling a turian-like face. If only we had access to the uncompressed video and not the garbage from youtube... if only. It's amazing how much of a difference it can make.
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Post by Pearl on Dec 12, 2016 21:27:10 GMT
I'll be watching this later for sure, should be interesting to see if there are any other similarities between the Andromeda gameplay and ME3MP, since I noticed a few already when I watched the trailer for the first time. Maybe I should write them down if I spot anything.
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Post by colfoley on Dec 12, 2016 22:35:04 GMT
Good video as always. You made the claim that you do not think b the three power limit will be the three power limit. I am curious to know what evidence you have for that claim.
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Post by Element Zero on Dec 12, 2016 23:12:52 GMT
Yeah, I'm assuming it's a black hole, though I'm open to other ideas. All of my reading last night reaffirmed what I'd thought I knew: that some black holes are the brightest objects in the universe, but that not all black holes are bright.
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Post by nxp5 on Dec 12, 2016 23:41:52 GMT
isn't the new bar/hangout called the Vortex - maybe in relation to that black whatever thing it is (star, hole etc.) and I a prior game the also had the Dark Star lounge if I remember correctly Anyway, BioFan thanks a lot for all your videos and your continuing enthusiasm.
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Post by Pearl on Dec 13, 2016 1:33:45 GMT
Alright, so as promised I have gone through the video and picked out everything I could see that was inspired by or borrowed from ME3MP. - 12:15 - I'm sure most people reading have heard this already, but the short-range teleport and sword slash come directly from the N7 Slayer character, added in the Earth DLC for ME3MP. From what I could tell, at this stage in development it is a 1:1 copy.
- 12:20 - Again, I assume most people reading have already seen this, but this side-dash is a mirror image of the dodge present on all Asari kits in ME3MP. It replaces the standard combat roll that Shepard and most (but not all) human kits use, and there is no option to switch between the two.
- 17:40 - The turret that is deployed by the player appears to be functionally identical to the turret available to a few of the Engineer kits (most notably the Female Quarian and Turian Saboteur), with the optional Flamethrower variant selected. Not the best ability, but certainly useful for drawing enemy aggro, which seems to be how it's being used in this case.
- 18:04 - This flamethrower power was present on the Geth and Vorcha Soldiers under the name of Flamer. Hopefully they fixed the bug associated with it's sound effects, or at least made them less annoying. In addition, I would say that the armor the player is wearing is more reminiscent of the N7 Destroyer soldier (which in and of itself used a reskinned version of the Terminus Assault Armor available to Shepard).
- 18:13 - Here we can see the player using what seems to be the Lash power, which was available to a large number of Biotic kits. Not really a whole lot more to say, other than it result in some pretty amusing ragdolls. Also present is that same Flamethrower turret off on the left side of the screen.
- 18:30 - While I'm not sure what ability is causing that arcing effect between multiple targets, what I can tell you is that the player follows that power up with a use of the Homing Grenade, which was one of my personal favorites, It was available to one or two of the Engineer classes, as well as the Drell Infiltrator. A really fantastic power that I'm happy to see returning.
- 19:03 - It's obviously an ice-related power, both visibly and according to it's icon in the lower right. I think this might be a new version of Snap Freeze, which was on the N7 Paladin Sentinel, and Alliance Infiltration Unit (basically a reskinned, Infiltrator version of EDI), although that range seems pretty fucking silly if it is. You already mentioned the Combat Drone, so I won't go over it here.
- 19:08 - This Hack objective appears to be identical to the Hack objective present in ME3MP. The way it works is that you have one player activate a terminal, a circle appears on the ground, and the speed of the hack depends on the number of players who stay in the circle.
- 21:11 - As I mentioned at the start, the melee attack animation comes directly from the N7 Slayer. However, this shows that at least some of the light melee combo is present as well, instead of just the heavy teleporting attack. Interestingly enough, there is a power icon in the bottom right that reminds me of the Phase Disruptor ability from the N7 Slayer. This power is functionally similar to Nova, but instead of a close-range AoE, it converts a portion of your barriers into a ranged "shot" for lack of a better word. The icon may very well represent an entirely new ability, however. It gets used a few seconds later after the clip of the aerial melee attack, but the clip is reversed (I assume because it ended) before we can actually see what it does.
- 21:16 - This hammer attack comes from the Krogan Warlord Sentinel, who could charge up their hammers with either Tech or Biotic power, causing a resulting explosion when they performed a heavy attack. It will be interesting to see if this functionality is carried over, but judging by how the hammer is visibly glowing, it would not be a huge surprise if it were. In fact, it'll make melee playstyles in SP way more fun.
- 21:26 - In the bottom right, there is a power icon for three curved arrows. Judging by the number next to it, and it's visual similarity, I would say that this power will closely resemble the Devastator Grenade power present on the aforementioned N7 Destroyer class, if not be a direct copy. You can judge the icon similarity for yourself here.
I'll give it a second look when I have more time and see if I notice anything else. Not sure if this will be of any use for you, BioFan , but it's good to see all these fun and interesting abilities making there way to SP without needing to mess around with mods. edit: Anyone unfamiliar with the Sentry Turret or Homing Grenade powers and wants to see them in action can do so by clicking here to watch a video where I (somewhat poorly) play an MP kit that has access to both powers. I use the grenades a lot more than the turret, but the turret still sees some action. I have some free time this week, so if anyone wants to see any of the other powers I mentioned in action, let me know and I'll record some videos, or make some gifs or something.
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Post by ProbeAway on Dec 13, 2016 3:29:00 GMT
An in-depth look and analysis of the game awards gameplay trailer for Mass Effect: Andromeda focusing on aspects of the footage you may not have noticed. Mass Effect: Andromeda is currently set to release Spring 2017, with further gameplay details coming in January.
What'd you notice in the trailer? What was your favorite thing shown in the footage? What're you curious to learn more about?
Thanks for the work you put into this! I learnt stuff. I love your conviction that we will have more than three active powers, since this is a big issue for me. However, I think you're wrong about the three 'locked' spaced on the wheel menu being for powers. The top 4 slots on the wheel have a blue trim with a weapon logo above them, while the bottom 4 have a red trim with an ammo logo below. This says to me that the wheel is exclusively for weapons and ammo. I'm guessing the locked slots can be opened by perks or combat passives that allow you to carry more weapons/ammo. BTW, a few of us did an analysis of the new power icons in the powers speculationz thread: bsn.boards.net/thread/2803/powers-speculationz-thread
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Post by Abramsrunner on Dec 13, 2016 3:50:02 GMT
If the Reegar Carbine is in Andromeda, & there's no Quarians. I'll have to fine comb tooth the Migrant Fleet, & toss the Traitor who leaked it, out the air lock, have a Liveship fire it's main gun on said person, then get the remains put them in boxes, & put them in the R&D ships, as an example to those who may not think twice before they endanger the Migrant Fleet for personal gain.
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