What did you do today in DA? [Spoilers]

Interpretation. He may not mean it's anything meaningful to the Inq emotionally / personally. He could have meant it's a place of significance to the Inq; beginnings / origins, where it all began. 

The Inq's reply is puzzling though; perhaps they talked about it but we never saw it. *shrug* I put it as a boo boo on the devs' part. Like Solas's weird question to the Inq on what to do with the power of the Well.

^ You get no sympathy because you chose the type of Inq and the paths yourself.    

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Still at WA and had a funny moment. Went to the second locked gate to get the location. That area is always full of phoenix and darkspawn so the party fought a few of those. A lonely archer darkspawn decided to take pot shots at the Inq. He became a popsicle real quick. As the party charged towards him, the Inq was standing still, the popsicle promptly slide all the way to the left, as if drawn by a magnet, to the gate and exploded. 

Unfortunately, the qunari are not a bunch of people anyone would trust, whether they're Qun or not. The TV in DA II are such an example. The qunari's persistent conflict with the south (200 years), their obvious intentions in indoctrination and conquest, their behaviour / treatment towards non-Qun, what happened in Kirkwall only spread and instill a deep suspicion / distrust. It made the wall more rigid. To have the backlash in DAI with a qunari Inq betrayed by IB, a supposed renegade, is no surprise. Once again, the qunari have proven their spots cannot change. They cannot ever be trusted.

I never choose to play a qunari Inq because a qunari Inq is implausible. The tapestry will not be able to reflect such a choice. Such a one wouldn't have free access to the Conclave. For another, a qunari Inq would raise more conflicts / dissension than unity. Even if seen to be doing good works, people would find it hard to believe it's honest, that there isn't a dark motive behind it. DAI events for a qunari Inq should have been darker, more grievous but it's impossible for the devs to create such a different tapestry so a qunari Inq got hung with the same coat as the others.

Yeah, so a few years of being impeccable leader, and then stepping down did not deserve a single line that it gave at least some people second thoughts about maybe not all Tal Vashoth being terrible, terrible people? Seriously, Qunari are evil, Elves are evil, are we heading for a huge 4-sided war between the races then? I hope we can pick out racial faction then in DA4. because I am going to erase everyone but Qunari and Dwarves off the face of Thedas. I am so done with Humans and Elves.

Maybe they should do an Alpha Centauri like game instead of an RPG. Yep, I'd like that.

Or didn't do his quest at all because not enough points to get the offer in the first place.

It doesn't matter that he's good hearted-- you're going against his explicit wishes. In every cutscene but the last one which is actually at the Landsmeet, he says he doesn't want to be King.  And even the one at the Landsmeet where he says you could make him King seems more about disliking Anora and Loghain than actually truly wanting to be one.  Why should anyone be rewarded for thrusting him into a position the man didn't want? Or is it more about the fact that, if you're a Cousland AND you're mean to him in a vulnerable moment that you CAN get away with it that bothers you?

Also, I've never read anywhere in the game or out of it that the Search for the Cure for the Calling was against the orders of the Warden Order. It could be entirely sanctioned and supported financially. Even it you were right (which there is no info either way) DAI shows just how messed up the Warden ORder is being. There has even been a Warden Rebellion in the stirrings. One could head canon easily that the Order isn't want the HoF truly signed up for to support. Especially since as, HoF, the only thing we know about the Wardens are through the lens of a naieve idealist (Alistair). Once HoF became Warden Commander, they could have been privy to the corruption and their loyalty corroded over time. I don't know why you want to head canon that your HoF is a traitor to the Order, when you could canon something so much more pleasant (the sanctioned version.) And Zevran wasn't ditched during the time of Awakening, he sends a letter to HoF about how he's off killing Crows. But then he rejoins the Warden for the Search. 

I know a lot of people thing the Cure for the Calling mission is a terrible way to keep the HoF off screen, but I thought it supremely clever. It's something many of my Wardens may do. And the details about the decision to go look for th eCure are vague enough that I can canon a jaded Warden who hates the Wardens now OR one that was fully sanctioned by the Order after their passionate pleas swayed the leaders of the Order to give them a chance. 


A Qunari is one who follows the religion of the Qun. You are not a Qunari and can't play one. The species of most of the members who follow the religion of the Qun are called the Kosith. But there are elven converts, dwarven converts, and they are called Qunari for they follow the religion.  So your character was called a Vashoth and was of the species Kosith. You're not even Tal Vashoth, because the Tal implies you were raised to follow the Qun, then turned your back on it. That is what Iron Bull is IF you help him turn his back on Qun. IF you bother becoming friends with him. Otherwise, why in the Maker's name do you expect a self admitted spy of the Qun to turn his back on his people just because you hung out and had a few drinks? Unless you had actually taken a deep enough interest in him to become his friend truly, and help him deconvert- he's halfway there and needs only a small push. 

If a Geth or a Collector or a Reaper were nice for a couple years, people would be waiting for the other shoe to fall.  It's no different for the people of Thedas, who associate the Kosith forever with that of the Qun Religion. They're been at war 200 years, and even where there is less conflict, like Rivain, they are converting people away from the Maker's Side. Only the Herald Followers are going to change their minds about the Vashoth Leader of the Inquisition. And even at Skyhold, you can seen concerned letters from family about their family members working under such a person. Like, "hey son... I'm a bit concerned you've joined a cult. Maybe you should leave."

So, when there are two Vashoth in the public eye and one defects, if anything the numbers state that 50% of all "nice" Kosith are lying back stabbers. And they already had a bad opinion in the first place. 

Also, there are so many good reasons to disband the Inquistion. Maybe the fact you never wanted to be a Quiz honestly in the first place. The fact that it's job is done. The fact that you don't want to start a war with Fereldan. That you hate the Orlesians. Maybe because, after your arm disentegrates away that you're finally just done with it. That time is behind you.  I recall you saying at the start of Trespasser that you were ready to disband and you hadn't even seen the ending yet.

For all the people are like MET has REAL CONSEQUENCES, Dragon Age SUCKS and NOTHING YOU DO MATTERS. You actually some SOME consequences to your actions, and you're hating on it so hard? Although you may never have thought those things. I just find it weird. The consequences if you odn't do things right in MET is that you and a large portion of your comrades die. In Dragon Age, it's that people betray you personally. 

First of all, my Warden never joined the cause, she was forced at the knife's point. And in the end of the game it was obvious she was never even told she avoided immediate execution but was tricked into a quick death. Under the circumstances, disobedience in searching for the cure felt more likely (before Awakening, and before Inquisition where a lot of Wardens suffer an abject fear of a sudden impeding death).

I had not a single mention in the game that search for cure may be sanctioned and that the Warden was on official business prior to Awakening. The Epilogue sounded like she just rode into sunset with Zevran. I dunno, if she is still out of bounds searching for cure, well and good. But it never really came across strongly that she is okay. I have far less problems with it, then with Alistair tbh.

I dunno if you have the patience to read through it, so the TL:DR is that in MET I was able to predict outcomes that I would want to have without metagaming, or they came naturally to me the way I play. I’ve played first game non-spoiled, and all the consequences in MET were what I wanted or acceptable to me.

Not so in DA:O. In fact they were the opposite of what I wanted/sought/hoped for.

Not putting Alistair in charge was dooming the Realm to be ruled by Alnora. It was for the public good that I wanted to follow the path of reconciliation sealed by a political marriage between Alnora and Alistair. The last thing I needed in the Realm after the Blight was a civil war which was inevitable without either marriage or execution of one of the candidates. The execution would not have stopped the claims and pretenders, either immediately or a few decades down the road. So many times in history the blood of innocents toppled the dynasty at the moment of its weakness. Russian Godunov, Chinese Ming, the unfortunate Richard the Second of England immediately spring to my mind as historic examples of why the alliance has to be cemented by the dynastic marriage… That Alistair and Alnora can make a political match is a godsend to Ferelden!

Apparently, to have my desired ethical and perfectly Medieval ending, I should have corrupted my poor Alistair. But his value to me on the throne is his idealism and good heart to offset Alnora’s complete lack of righteousness and power-mongering.

In MET generally doing the right/good things like helping others and fighting on as many fronts as possible yielded the predictably happy outcomes.

If you were dismissive of others, yes, they died or bad things happened. And, yes, I used it once too. And ate the consequences without a complaint when I was at fault. I understood that my delaying the mission out of fear or apathy cost me lives (including, so it happens, my lovers’ life). I get that.

Refusing to help an unpleasant mother of five underage nephews and nieces of your lover so eventually he does not insists to exact his revenge and instead choses to heal the rift and enter a dynastic marriage to bring realm peace … well, I have not seen that coming. Moreover, how THAT impacted Alnora's behavior? She was so keen on getting the throne, but now it's within reach she can't step over her father's body? Pleeease... the woman was shown as absolutely corrupt and she suddenly has daddy issues? Even if her father is that important to her, her best, safest play is to marry Alistair, get a baby heir, then execute Alistair for treason or quietly dispose of him, whatever is more convenient.

Those are acts of a good, honorable and dutiful man, and they are precipitated by the PC teaching him that people suck and one should look after himself and turn their back on the less fortunate whenever you suspect they might be faking their hardships?

Really, if Alistair was somewhat consistent and either made a just King with Alnora as his consort, and on those grounds asked for PC to break off their liaison, I'd be Okay. It's Alistair both refusing to stay his hand in the name of peace and leaving PC (after revealing that PC is his first love, one true love and apparently last love all in one) that just did not sit well with me, and all of it based on being too greedy to pay 50 gold for his peace of mind back in the beginning of the game.

I just will never get it how being magnanimous and understanding and kind and in love gets you a consequence of being a woman scorned.

In MET it would be as puzzling as if you failed Thane's mission on purpose, and his son was accused of murder and thrown in jail it would have resulted in PC being able to push Thane out of the way in ME3 and find a cure for that syndrome of his. Because, you know, Thane's son would have died in prison and his body was donated to research and the antibodies were synthesized from his blood to cure Thane. The same sort of an "evil bitch gets the man" thing.


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I’ve just said as explicitly as I could: I do not hate that IB betrayed me. I LIKE it. I was fine killing him and actually enjoyed it. I did not like it that this barely registering episode overshadowed 51 hours of doing good things by my Inquisitor.

I did not like it that the Iron Bull mattered more than my Inquisitor.

The game never once referred to me as Kosith. Everyone called me a Qunari, including a creation screen. The IB explained it to me once, and he also called me “bas” when confronting me. That’s all fine, but I doubt the Thedas population made any distinction. And they prefer to render their judgment based on the IB, not my guy.

Yes, I was ready to disband in the beginning of Trespasser. I thought I’d get props for it. It’s a major, major, MAJOR act of Good Guy. The fear and revulsion of tyranny permeates all cultures. West worships their Brutus, Chinese accorded the Duke of Zhou a status of an impeccable gentleman. Okay, we might have mixed feelings about the first class a-hole like Napoleon, gods only know why… but whatever. Overall we are not fine with usurpers.

My guy just did something INCREDIBLE and… he got a smile from Cassandra and a frown from Josephine. Epilogue was like: “whatever”.

Shepard got acknowledgment of everything he'd done for the Galaxy in oodles, despite having his/hers ups and downs. Those who mattered all expressed their feelings for him/her, and his/her send off was awesome. Even his villain epilogue was awesome.

Your qunari/my qunari/our qunari just "Inquisitor". Their backstory means almost nothing... yes, sad. (Perhaps, I misunderstood you, then sorry.)

You probably didn't talk to him enough.  The offer of a joint mission with a Qunari dreadnaught (battleship) comes after you have drinks IB and his chargers.  You don't seem to have liked the IB character much.  As a Tal Vashoth, your PC could've rejected recruiting him at all given that he comes from a family that fled the Qun.

phoray   Just curious; what if your PC gets the offer of a joint operation but verbally declines it out of suspicion of the Qunari?  The Chargers survive but IB still is officially tied to the Qun. 

I think if you never recruit him, he just isn't in Trespasser at all and betrays no one. 

If you refuse to go through with the quest at all, it's treated as not doing it just like never getting offered the job in the first place is treated as not doing it. 

Iron Bull needs to go there and be supported in going against the Qun-- for a reason he finds important, which is the chargers.  Otherwise, default is that he stays with the Qun, plain and simple. You'd like to think that the longer he remains a spy, the longer the Qun's hold on him weakens. But if you don't befriend Bull, you're just another job to him.

@domi
you have made your opinion, and I have nothing in me to continue debating the matter. You probably won't see me ever liking Adromeda either.

But to clarify, you can give 50 gold to Alistair's "Sister" (she's not actually his sister, but whatev) and still put Alistair on the throne just fine. The defining moment is when he leaves her hut and he's like, "wow, that was some bull shit I didn't expect." Then you have to say, "Yep, Al, folks are out for themselves. Best you learn that now."

He is too idealistic even for a Warden, let alone a King. And you have to "Harden" him to even marry him as a Cousland. To make him care less about making sure he begets an heir. Which is whatever- The Theirin Line has not always been on the throne, and the kings/queens are VOTED in, so who really cares if babies float about?

I'll love Dragon Age enough for the both of us.